TUS Programme

Mr McBoatface · 31-10-2013 12:14PM

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Just for you Fred

Social Welfare Consolidation Act 2005 - Section 141 (1) of the act states the Following "A person shall be entitled to unemployment assistance in respect of any week of unemployment where—"
(a) the person has attained the age of 18 years and has not attained pensionable age,

(b) the person proves unemployment in the prescribed manner, and

(c) the person's weekly means, subject to subsection (2)(d), do not exceed the amount of unemployment assistance (including any increases of unemployment assistance) that would be payable to the person under this Chapter if that person had no means.

Further down in the act in Section 141 (3) it states the following -
"Any 3 days of unemployment, whether consecutive or not, within a period of 6 consecutive days shall be treated as a week of unemployment and any 2 such weeks not separated by more than 52 weeks shall be treated as one continuous period of unemployment,and references in this Chapter to being continuously unemployed or to continuous unemployment shall be read accordingly"

As TUS employees where all on Jobseekers allowance prior to starting on TUS and the work placement does not exceed 52 week, when returning to JA the 52 week spent on the placement should be considered as a period of continuous unemployment, claims will re re-activated and not subject to a 3 day reduction. It's the same for FAS courses too.

dubscribe · 31-10-2013 06:53PM

Originally Posted by ForeverYoungx
I thought when you finish tus it would be a fresh application for JSA ?

QUOTE=Faith+1;87241397]No, your payment is transferred asap. It's not treated as a fresh claim as you didn't sign off for employment or other factors.[/QUOTE]

I'm currently doing a TUS placement and when I read this speculation I got worried... We all know how long a NEW JSA Application can take to process.

However, I've just had written confirmation from my TUS Supervisor:

"When you go back to Social Protection after one year on Tús, you are considered to be on a “linked payment” – i.e. linked to the Jobseekers payment that you were on when you came onto the Tús Programme. Therefore whilst you will have to make a new claim it is processed more or less straight away and you should be paid within a week of signing back on. The length of time is, of course, dependent upon the speed at which your payment is processed at the local Social Welfare office. You will need to liaise with them in relation to this, when the time comes."

I was very much relieved to hear this.

Annasopra · 31-10-2013 07:06PM

Originally Posted by ForeverYoungx
I thought when you finish tus it would be a fresh application for JSA ?

No, your payment is transferred asap. It's not treated as a fresh claim as you didn't sign off for employment or other factors.

dubscribe wrote: »

I'm currently doing a TUS placement and when I read this speculation I got worried... We all know how long a NEW JSA Application can take to process.

However, I've just had written confirmation from my TUS Supervisor:

"When you go back to Social Protection after one year on Tús, you are considered to be on a “linked payment” – i.e. linked to the Jobseekers payment that you were on when you came onto the Tús Programme. Therefore whilst you will have to make a new claim it is processed more or less straight away and you should be paid within a week of signing back on. The length of time is, of course, dependent upon the speed at which your payment is processed at the local Social Welfare office. You will need to liaise with them in relation to this, when the time comes."

I was very much relieved to hear this.

Good. There seems to be some unnecessary scaremongering in this thread

badker · 08-11-2013 01:26AM

how did the tus programme fair in budget? was it expanded

Faith+1 · 08-11-2013 05:24PM

badker wrote: »

how did the tus programme fair in budget? was it expanded

No, its the stayed the same.

MouseTail · 08-11-2013 07:41PM

Faith+1 wrote: »

No, its the stayed the same.

No, it was expanded by 2,500 places.

Faith+1 · 09-11-2013 08:50PM

MouseTail wrote: »

No, it was expanded by 2,500 places.

Ba dum tish! Soon to be expanded to 10,000 places for 2015 the way it's going.

Fred Swanson · 09-11-2013 08:57PM

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09-11-2013 09:46PM

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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FAS. TUS, GATEWAY, JobBridge participants don't just clean streets. They do VITAL work in creches, daycare for the elderly and vulnerable. They man Citizen Advice Centres, Tourist Offices, Community centres. They maintain playing fields for GAA and FAI clubs. They tend to graveyards and churches. They run charity shops. I could go on and on.

MouseTail · 10-11-2013 01:32AM

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FAS. TUS, GATEWAY, JobBridge participants don't just clean streets. They do VITAL work in creches, daycare for the elderly and vulnerable. They man Citizen Advice Centres, Tourist Offices, Community centres. They maintain playing fields for GAA and FAI clubs. They tend to graveyards and churches. They run charity shops. I could go on and on.

They provide all manner of skills to the non profit sector that they could not afford otherwise, ICT expertise, web development, marketing, accountancy and finance, data analysis etc, as well as administration, customer care and caretaking roles. The idea that all that the schemes provide is litter picking duty is incredibly ill informed. Whilst, by its nature, people will post on this thread if they are having problems with a placement, there are 1,000s of CE and TUS participants getting a very positive experience from their placement, and helping the growth and survival of community and non profit groups.

badker · 10-11-2013 04:16AM

yes forcing people in to work for €20 extra a week instead of creating real employment opportunities..at least the unemployment rate is dropping!

10-11-2013 10:27AM

badker wrote: »

yes forcing people in to work for €20 extra a week instead of creating real employment opportunities..at least the unemployment rate is dropping!

Have you ever been approached to go on a TUS or other scheme? If you had, you would know that no one HAS to take up a placement if it is not suitable for them. You wouldn't get a 60 year old woman sweeping streets - unless she wanted! I had a blinkered view of FAS CE Schemes until I went on one. It was an eye opener! There were a number of participants with difficulties. Just working alongside them was an education in itself. If you go into something with an open mind, you will come out the better for it. If you are offered a placement, remember, it's only for a limited period of time and you never know, you just might enjoy it! A good supervisor knows their job and their staff and will know from experience when interviewing, who will benefit from a placement. Give it a chance. It may well be a way of massaging the unemployment figures, but you DO get valuable work experience to put on your CV. You also get to make new friends and new contacts.

rsole1 · 10-11-2013 11:06AM

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Have you ever been approached to go on a TUS or other scheme? If you had, you would know that no one HAS to take up a placement if it is not suitable for them. You wouldn't get a 60 year old woman sweeping streets - unless she wanted! I had a blinkered view of FAS CE Schemes until I went on one. It was an eye opener! There were a number of participants with difficulties. Just working alongside them was an education in itself. If you go into something with an open mind, you will come out the better for it. If you are offered a placement, remember, it's only for a limited period of time and you never know, you just might enjoy it! A good supervisor knows their job and their staff and will know from experience when interviewing, who will benefit from a placement. Give it a chance. It may well be a way of massaging the unemployment figures, but you DO get valuable work experience to put on your CV. You also get to make new friends and new contacts.

Don't think putting Street Cleansing Operative on the CV would help much to be honest.

10-11-2013 11:09AM

rsole1 wrote: »

Don't think putting Street Cleansing Operative on the CV would help much to be honest.

Please read in full, previous comments by Mousetail and myself, among others. Take off the blinkers and you just might see the roses.

badker · 10-11-2013 10:25PM

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Have you ever been approached to go on a TUS or other scheme? If you had, you would know that no one HAS to take up a placement if it is not suitable for them. You wouldn't get a 60 year old woman sweeping streets - unless she wanted! I had a blinkered view of FAS CE Schemes until I went on one. It was an eye opener! There were a number of participants with difficulties. Just working alongside them was an education in itself. If you go into something with an open mind, you will come out the better for it. If you are offered a placement, remember, it's only for a limited period of time and you never know, you just might enjoy it! A good supervisor knows their job and their staff and will know from experience when interviewing, who will benefit from a placement. Give it a chance. It may well be a way of massaging the unemployment figures, but you DO get valuable work experience to put on your CV. You also get to make new friends and new contacts.

I am currently on Tus, not through choice and am well educated. CV is fine. Just think the government instead of creating these token jobs should put more effort into sourcing some REAL employment for people. Placement is for 1 year 19.5 hours a week for €20 extra a week. 1014 hrs for €1040 over the year. Do you think saying you completed Tus for a year will luck good on a CV? Did you get a supervisors job.

danjo-xx · 10-11-2013 11:04PM

badker wrote: »

I am currently on Tus, not through choice and am well educated. CV is fine. Just think the government instead of creating these token jobs should put more effort into sourcing some REAL employment for people. Placement is for 1 year 19.5 hours a week for €20 extra a week. 1014 hrs for €1040 over the year. Do you think saying you completed Tus for a year will luck good on a CV? Did you get a supervisors job.

There are two sides to these schemes,good and bad, it depends on what position you get or are pushed into after joining.

Being on a CE scheme prior to this recession was looked down on by many as just covering your back from welfare.

Nowadays its looked on as 'gold dust' the only 'job' in town and now highly qualified people, like ex solicitors and people with graduate degrees etc are seeking them.

I guarantee you won't see the likes of them cleaning the streets.

As regards the 'highlighted' text above.... when applying for a job you NEVER say that you are or have been on one them, you always say I was employed by ****** who ever sponsored the scheme.

I feel sorry for the folk who get the menial jobs on these schemes, and for €20 a week, its demeaning and degrading and in no way helps in building confidence in order to get back to work whenever it becomes available again.

Hawksticks · 13-11-2013 05:21PM

I have a Tus interview in the morning i will let you all know how it goes. I hope i have some kind of choice of what i have to do.
Im also doing an eCollage online course through FAS dont know if this will affect Tus placement.

firefly919 · 13-11-2013 09:13PM

Do let us know, thanks.
I have an interview Monday.

Hawksticks · 14-11-2013 02:34PM

Just back from my interview there now. It was an individual one so i waited with the rest of the people to go in and talk to the man and woman. They were both really sound, told me that i wont have to do any of the things on the list i dont want to etc Minding the elderly and sweeping the streets. I asked to be placed minding the local soccer club, and they were happy with that. They chat to you for around 20 mins or so. Just the usual tell us about yourself and stuff. Have to wait around two months now to hear back from them.

So dont panic with your interview it will be grand just decide which job you would like to do before you go in, so you can explain to them why you want to do it. You will be offered a course to do 6 months into your Tus placement of your choice to complete along with Tus job.

Best of luck.

firefly919 · 14-11-2013 09:08PM

Okay good stuff, thanks for the information.

CarrieLee · 17-11-2013 09:42PM

Hawksticks wrote: »

You will be offered a course to do 6 months into your Tus placement of your choice to complete along with Tus job.

Best of luck.

I wasn't told anything about being offered a course to do along with the Tus placement. Do you have any more info on this?

Is this another new thing they've brought in?

CarrieLee · 17-11-2013 09:43PM

Does anyone know if once the Tus placement is up and I go sign on if my social welfare payment will be paid via the same method as before i.e. into my bank account.

I've heard something about new claims no longer being paid into bank accounts; been told that you now have to go to the post offices every week to collect money. Anyone have info on this?

17-11-2013 10:08PM

CarrieLee wrote: »

Does anyone know if once the Tus placement is up and I go sign on if my social welfare payment will be paid via the same method as before i.e. into my bank account.

I've heard something about new claims no longer being paid into bank accounts; been told that you now have to go to the post offices every week to collect money. Anyone have info on this?

How do you get paid now? Don't all UB/UA payments be made in the Post Office? They go back to that system at the end of your placement.

Fred Swanson · 17-11-2013 10:09PM

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danjo-xx · 17-11-2013 10:10PM

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How do you get paid now? Don't all UB/UA payments be made in the Post Office? They go back to that system at the end of your placement.

Bank account.

13. How will participants be paid?
All participants will be paid directly into their bank accounts (EFT).

wmpdd3 · 17-11-2013 10:30PM

I think the poster is asking how will they get paid after TUS, I would say post office. I cant see them making an exception.

17-11-2013 10:38PM

wmpdd3 wrote: »

I think the poster is asking how will they get paid after TUS, I would say post office. I cant see them making an exception.

Unless they are on a disability payment. That's paid into the bank.

jos22 · 17-11-2013 11:09PM

CarrieLee wrote: »

I wasn't told anything about being offered a course to do along with the Tus placement. Do you have any more info on this?

Is this another new thing they've brought in?

no course with TUS, just show up do your time the dole figures are down for year till you switch back over to the official firgures after competing TUS

Fred Swanson · 17-11-2013 11:11PM

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CarrieLee · 18-11-2013 12:01AM

wmpdd3 wrote: »

I think the poster is asking how will they get paid after TUS, I would say post office. I cant see them making an exception.

So, you can't get paid directly into bank account anymore?

That's how I was getting my payment before.

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