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So there's this guy...

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  • #32
    Plazaman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,037 ✭✭✭Plazaman


    Loved him in The Hangover.


  • #33
    Curly Judge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,708 ✭✭✭Curly Judge


    Mark Twain wrote: »
    At the risk of dragging the thread off topic, who do you consider to be the greatest boxer?

    Please don't say Ali....

    No question about it!
    Sugar Ray Leonard.


  • #34
    Robbo
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 10,662 Mod ✭✭✭✭Robbo


    By inspirational, we mean "lends his name to countless staffordshire bull terriers"?


  • #35
    Cold Chocolate
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 29 ✭Cold Chocolate


    BillyMitchel wrote: »
    Sincerely hope that's a wind up or you don't have a clue!

    Great yes but the best ever? Not a hope

    Who was better than him?

    His defence is ridiculous.


  • #36
    mad turnip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 710 ✭✭✭mad turnip


    Once again no clarity is given on the type of rape, was it a "no, not tonight kind of rape" or a drag her into a bush down some dark alley kind of rape. The word in general is way too vague now a days :(


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  • #37
    Einhard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Einhard


    mad turnip wrote: »
    Once again no clarity is given on the type of rape, was it a "no, not tonight kind of rape" or a drag her into a bush down some dark alley kind of rape. The word in general is way too vague now a days :(

    I don't see the difference between the two to be honest. If the act is not consensual, then it's rape. Not all that vague I would have thought.


  • #38
    Dravokivich
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,424 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    mad turnip wrote: »
    Once again no clarity is given on the type of rape, was it a "no, not tonight kind of rape" or a drag her into a bush down some dark alley kind of rape. The word in general is way too vague now a days :(

    Only for those who want to promote doubt.


  • #39
    Curly Judge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,708 ✭✭✭Curly Judge


    Einhard wrote: »
    I don't see the difference between the two to be honest. If the act is not consensual, then it's rape. Not all that vague I would have thought.

    It's also rape if the consenting girl is a week short of her sixteenth birthday and the boy is eighteen.


  • #40
    DeanAustin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,960 ✭✭✭DeanAustin


    mad turnip wrote: »
    Once again no clarity is given on the type of rape, was it a "no, not tonight kind of rape" or a drag her into a bush down some dark alley kind of rape. The word in general is way too vague now a days :(

    I know I shouldn't but that made me laugh for all the wrong reasons.

    What kind of rape is that? Is it more acceptable than a "drag her into a bush" kind of rape?

    As someone said, if it's not consensual then it's rape. End of.


  • #41
    stooge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭stooge


    Firstly, I think Tyson was very unlucky as the Jury at the time of his conviction were swayed by his reputation rather than the facts at hand.

    Secondly, he was a great fighter but if you look at his opponents when he was at his prime you could argue that they were very, very poor quality.

    The 60/70's era there were 5-6 great heavyweights all in their prime and all fighting for titles:
    - Liston
    - Ali
    - Norton
    - Frazier
    - Foreman
    - Holmes

    Ali, beat some of the top 10 boxers of all time (mroe than once) so if he isnt the best he is very close. I'd certainly have him above Tyson in terms of technique, skill and talent. tyson ahead on punching power.

    Despite all this, my personal pick as the best ever would have to be Joe Louis. He was ahead of his time and possibly the best puncher the sport has seen.


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  • #42
    emmabrighton
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 582 ✭✭✭emmabrighton


    XxMCRxBabyxX wrote: »
    It's interesting because I was actually reading about another star with a fairly bad record who would be quite popular now:

    Never finished school
    In trouble with the police between 20 - 25 times
    Addicted to cocaine and other substances by 13
    Threw rocks and shouting racist comments at black kids at 15
    Knocked a man unconscious with a wooden stick while screaming racist comments and blinding another man in one eye at 16. He was charged with attempted murder
    Fractured a neighbour's jaw in an unprovoked attack at 21.
    In a street gang

    Guess who? Mark Walberg (who's brother was in NKOTB - news to me!)

    --

    I think the reason why some people do like and even admire these guys though is that they got out of it. It doesn't excuse anything but they do deserve credit for turning their lives around too.

    Mike Tyson? No interest in him whatsoever. Would leave a room if he was in it - not that I would ever be in close proximity to him.

    Mark Walberg? Was definitely a favourite of mine until I saw him on Graham Norton. Really let himself down.


  • #43
    Cold Chocolate
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 29 ✭Cold Chocolate


    DeanAustin wrote: »
    I know I shouldn't but that made me laugh for all the wrong reasons.

    What kind of rape is that? Is it more acceptable than a "drag her into a bush" kind of rape?

    As someone said, if it's not consensual then it's rape. End of.

    An 18 year old having sex with a 16 year old isn't consensual, hardly as bad as forcing a woman physically to have sex against her will.


  • #44
    Cold Chocolate
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 29 ✭Cold Chocolate


    emmabrighton wrote: »
    Mike Tyson? No interest in him whatsoever. Would leave a room if he was in it - not that I would ever be in close proximity to him.

    Mark Walberg? Was definitely a favourite of mine until I saw him on Graham Norton. Really let himself down.

    What did he do on graham norton's show?


  • #45
    foxyboxer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,528 ✭✭✭foxyboxer


    Mike Tyson is an inspiration.

    He inspires me to not be 'like Mike' and use force to have sex with women who don't give consent!


  • #46
    donegal__road
    Closed Accounts Posts: 953 ✭✭✭donegal__road


    there is good in everyone


  • #47
    foxyboxer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,528 ✭✭✭foxyboxer


    Cold Chocolate wrote: »
    What did he do on graham norton's show?

    Was drunk or in PR speak "was feeling under the weather" beforehand

    Acted like a dick or in american parlance, like a douchebag.


  • #48
    emmabrighton
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 582 ✭✭✭emmabrighton


    Cold Chocolate wrote: »
    What did he do on graham norton's show?

    He was rat arsed and just made a complete show of himself. Norton even referred to it in a later episode...

    Remember his awsome Markey Mark hair? He was definitely one of my smash hits posters blu-tacked to my bedroom wall.

    The shame of it all ;)


  • #49
    XxMCRxBabyxX
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 7,442 Mod ✭✭✭✭XxMCRxBabyxX


    emmabrighton wrote: »
    Mike Tyson? No interest in him whatsoever. Would leave a room if he was in it - not that I would ever be in close proximity to him.

    Mark Walberg? Was definitely a favourite of mine until I saw him on Graham Norton. Really let himself down.

    The Graham Norton show thing was a set up by Walberg and Silverman that didn't really go as well as expected.


  • #50
    Driveby Dogboy
    Site Banned Posts: 257 ✭✭Driveby Dogboy


    I can feel it, comming in the air tonight...


  • #51
    pundy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 673 ✭✭✭pundy


    Mark Twain wrote: »
    I use the term interchangeably.

    Tyson later career was destroyed by his poor decisions and the leeches that had surrounded him.

    At the age of 20 he had beaten everyone there was to beat. He had never been beaten, and I don't think there's a fighter in history who could've beaten him at that time.

    People come up with these nonsense 'pound-for-pound' best boxer lists. They're nonsense imo. It should be, put the two of them in a ring at their peak and who would win. Tyson fares very well by that standard.

    who CARES whether he was a good boxer... it just proves that he would have inflicted a lot of damage on the victims of his crimes.

    he's a horrible thug who shouldnt be idolised by anybody.
    anyone who idolises someone like this thug, should be watched closely by the cops.... just in case.


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  • #52
    beakerjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,051 ✭✭✭✭beakerjoe


    Muff Richardson wrote: »
    nice bit of writing...as soon as i read Mike Tyson, he was instantly forgiven :confused: not good:(

    I have to say I felt the same Muff,

    I THINK THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH ME


  • #53
    Hoop66
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,273 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    Tyson is a thug who was, and probably still is, good at violence. That's it.

    If you want to glorify him for his supposed boxing skills, go on ahead.

    Knock yourself out. WAHEY!


  • #54
    emmabrighton
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 582 ✭✭✭emmabrighton


    XxMCRxBabyxX wrote: »
    The Graham Norton show thing was a set up by Walberg and Silverman that didn't really go as well as expected.

    Really??? Ah, yeah... no... obviously not... I didn't know it was a wind up so it just completely turned me off him...


  • #55
    Teyla Emmagan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,638 ✭✭✭Teyla Emmagan


    I've never found Mike Tyson to be any sort of inspiration!?


  • #56
    Ryker Billions Washbowl
    Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Ryker Billions Washbowl


    I think Wahlberg is supposed to have spoken out about regretting it etc


  • #57
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Champ, do you feel remorse for your crime?

    Oh, yes. Believe me, my god, if I could turn back the clock on my mother's stair-pushing, I would certainly, reconsider it.


  • #58
    beakerjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,051 ✭✭✭✭beakerjoe


    Hoop66 wrote: »
    Tyson is a thug who was, and probably still is, good at violence. That's it.

    If you want to glorify him for his supposed boxing skills, go on ahead.

    Knock yourself out. WAHEY!

    Ah you cant deny his boxing skills.


  • #59
    MonaPizza
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,014 ✭✭✭MonaPizza


    Mark Twain wrote: »
    He's an inspiration because, despite clearly suffering from mental issues, and an extremely rough upbringing, he conquered the world. There literally was not another human at the time who he couldn't beat. Nothing to do with him being famous.

    He isn't a damn inspiration to me. The guy is a thug. Lots of people come from dirt poor backgrounds and rough childhoods and they manage to make something of themselves and leave behind their cruel or dangerous pasts. Tyson continued his thuggish ways long after he had become a wealthy man...beating up people in the street, raping women, biting off the ears of fellow sportsmen....yeah, some inspiration.


  • #60
    Savoir.Faire
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 326 ✭✭Savoir.Faire


    My perfect hypothetical boxing match would be between Tyson and Jack Johnson, with a Fraizer VS Marciano undercard.


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  • #61
    Too Tough To Die
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭Too Tough To Die


    MonaPizza wrote: »
    He isn't a damn inspiration to me. The guy is a thug. Lots of people come from dirt poor backgrounds and rough childhoods and they manage to make something of themselves and leave behind their cruel or dangerous pasts. Tyson continued his thuggish ways long after he had become a wealthy man...beating up people in the street, raping women, biting off the ears of fellow sportsmen....yeah, some inspiration.

    He has left behind his cruel and dangerous past, or is there a specific cut off date?


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