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So there's this guy...
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08-11-2013 8:25am#1So there's this guy.
He was a bit of a teenage delinquent. Arrested 38 times by the age of 13. Tried as a juvenile for all manner of crimes.
Bit of a scumbag, eh?
Sentenced to six years in prison for raping a teenage girl.
Definitely a scumbag!
Later sentenced to another year in prison for assaulting two motorists in a fit of rage after an accident.
Scumbag, scumbag, scumbag.
Sentenced to 24 hours in jail a decade later for drink driving.
This guy would have some in AH whipped into a righteous frenzy!! There'd be talk about locking him up forever and throwing away the key. Probably even calls for castration and banishment to a desert island. There's definitely mention of the death penalty and scumbags, and how wimpy liberals allow such people to thrive. He'd be called all manner of things, and all manner of punishments demanded. And this wouldn't be confined to AH, but to a lot of people in society. He'd be viewed as an animal, and treated as such.
And yet, he's not. He's widely claimed as an inspiration. On the AH documentary thread, his film was mentioned more than once as a tour de force, and he as an inspiration. When people questioned this, others jumped to the defence of the man. At the moment, he's taking part in an autobiographical world tour, where he basically talks about his life from stage. And there's no shortage of people willing to pay money to listen to the man, and defend him against critics. In the ads for the show, he's described as a living legend, and lots of mention is made of his charitable activities. And his darker side is relegated to "some controversies".
Of course, the man is Mike Tyson. Now, the guy doesn't particularly interest me. I'm not starting this thread to condemn the man. What gets me is people's reaction to him, and the hypocrisy therein. Time after time, people with his type of record are slammed in AH. Let's not forget, he's a convicted rapist; a man with a history of violent assaults; a man who has driven under the influence of alcohol and drugs. Not exactly Mr Nice Guy. Yet some people who'd go to town on lesser-known scumbags give this guy the benefit of the doubt, and make excuses for him. Indeed, some seem to idolise the guy.
Why is this? Probably because he's a celebrity. As with the rapist Roman Polanski, people seem willing to forgive celebrities anything. Maybe the next time though, that they slam some ordinary scumbag, people should think about the scumbags that they adore and idolise. Shouldn't all scumbags be treated equally??
TL/DR? No need to post.
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So there's this guy.
He was a bit of a teenage delinquent. Arrested 38 times by the age of 13. Tried as a juvenile for all manner of crimes.
Bit of a scumbag, eh?
Sentenced to six years in prison for raping a teenage girl.
Definitely a scumbag!
Later sentenced to another year in prison for assaulting two motorists in a fit of rage after an accident.
Scumbag, scumbag, scumbag.
Sentenced to 24 hours in jail a decade later for drink driving.
This guy would have some in AH whipped into a righteous frenzy!! There'd be talk about locking him up forever and throwing away the key. Probably even calls for castration and banishment to a desert island. There's definitely mention of the death penalty and scumbags, and how wimpy liberals allow such people to thrive. He'd be called all manner of things, and all manner of punishments demanded. And this wouldn't be confined to AH, but to a lot of people in society. He'd be viewed as an animal, and treated as such.
And yet, he's not. He's widely claimed as an inspiration. On the AH documentary thread, his film was mentioned more than once as a tour de force, and he as an inspiration. When people questioned this, others jumped to the defence of the man. At the moment, he's taking part in an autobiographical world tour, where he basically talks about his life from stage. And there's no shortage of people willing to pay money to listen to the man, and defend him against critics. In the ads for the show, he's described as a living legend, and lots of mention is made of his charitable activities. And his darker side is relegated to "some controversies".
Of course, the man is Mike Tyson. Now, the guy doesn't particularly interest me. I'm not starting this thread to condemn the man. What gets me is people's reaction to him, and the hypocrisy therein. Time after time, people with his type of record are slammed in AH. Let's not forget, he's a convicted racist; a man with a history of violent assaults; a man who has driven under the influence of alcohol and drugs. Not exactly Mr Nice Guy. Yet some people who'd go to town on lesser-known scumbags give this guy the benefit of the doubt, and make excuses for him. Indeed, some seem to idolise the guy.
Why is this? Probably because he's a celebrity. As with the rapist Roman Polanski, people seem willing to forgive celebrities anything. Maybe the next time though, that they slam some ordinary scumbag, people should think about the scumbags that they adore and idolise. Shouldn't all scumbags be treated equally??
TL/DR? No need to post.
whens he coming to town and where can i buy tickets?0 -
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Mark Twain wrote: »The man was a product of his environment.
He escaped it though and went on to become the greatest fighter the world has ever seen.
Lot's of people are products of their environment. We don't make that excuse for abusers who have been abused as children themselves; we don't make that excuse for heroin addicts who might rob a car for money; we don't make that excuse for anyone really. Apart from celebrities.
And it's pretty clear that he didn't "escape" his environment. He took it with him. How does rape, assault and all the rest equate to escaping a violent environment?
Just as a contrast- his brother was brought up in a similar environment. He has a decent job, and AFAIK, doesn't have the litany of crimes against him that Mike does. So enough with the "oh but look at his childhood" excuses. Or at least, if you're going to use them, be consistent.0 -
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Lot's of people are products of their environment. We don't make that excuse for abusers who have been abused as children themselves; we don't make that excuse for heroin addicts who might rob a car for money; we don't make that excuse for anyone really. Apart from celebrities.
And it's pretty clear that he didn't "escape" his environment. He took it with him. How does rape, assault and all the rest equate to escaping a violent environment?
Just as a contrast- his brother was brought up in a similar environment. He has a decent job, and AFAIK, doesn't have the litany of crimes against him that Mike does. So enough with the "oh but look at his childhood" excuses. Or at least, if you're going to use them, be consistent.
He's an inspiration because, despite clearly suffering from mental issues, and an extremely rough upbringing, he conquered the world. There literally was not another human at the time who he couldn't beat. Nothing to do with him being famous.0 -
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Mr. Incognito wrote: »Jealous much?
Oh yeah, that's it. Definitely.Mark Twain wrote: »He's an inspiration because, despite clearly suffering from mental issues, and an extremely rough upbringing, he conquered the world. There literally was not another human at the time who he couldn't beat. Nothing to do with him being famous.
Fair enough, I can understand how he could be seen as an inspiration in a very narrow, focused kind of way. He made it big from a poor background, therefore so can I. I get that. But what I don't get is people willing to overlook his history of rape and violent assault in their rush to buy into this. If people said, the guy is a scumbag but his career inspires me, I'd say fair enough. But lots of people just state that he's an inspiration, and that, indeed, he's a just a great guy. Now that's celeb worship gone too far.0 -
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Of course, the man is Mike Tyson. Now, the guy doesn't particularly interest me. I'm not starting this thread to condemn the man. What gets me is people's reaction to him, and the hypocrisy therein. Time after time, people with his type of record are slammed in AH. Let's not forget, he's a convicted racist; a man with a history of violent assaults; a man who has driven under the influence of alcohol and drugs. Not exactly Mr Nice Guy. Yet some people who'd go to town on lesser-known scumbags give this guy the benefit of the doubt, and make excuses for him. Indeed, some seem to idolise the guy.
TL/DR? No need to post.
Mike Tyson is a racist? Is that why he used to beat the tar out of white men?0 -
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So there's this guy.
He was a bit of a teenage delinquent. Arrested 38 times by the age of 13. Tried as a juvenile for all manner of crimes.
Bit of a scumbag, eh?
Sentenced to six years in prison for raping a teenage girl.
Definitely a scumbag!
Later sentenced to another year in prison for assaulting two motorists in a fit of rage after an accident.
Scumbag, scumbag, scumbag.
Sentenced to 24 hours in jail a decade later for drink driving.
This guy would have some in AH whipped into a righteous frenzy!! There'd be talk about locking him up forever and throwing away the key. Probably even calls for castration and banishment to a desert island. There's definitely mention of the death penalty and scumbags, and how wimpy liberals allow such people to thrive. He'd be called all manner of things, and all manner of punishments demanded. And this wouldn't be confined to AH, but to a lot of people in society. He'd be viewed as an animal, and treated as such.
And yet, he's not. He's widely claimed as an inspiration. On the AH documentary thread, his film was mentioned more than once as a tour de force, and he as an inspiration. When people questioned this, others jumped to the defence of the man. At the moment, he's taking part in an autobiographical world tour, where he basically talks about his life from stage. And there's no shortage of people willing to pay money to listen to the man, and defend him against critics. In the ads for the show, he's described as a living legend, and lots of mention is made of his charitable activities. And his darker side is relegated to "some controversies".
Of course, the man is Mike Tyson. Now, the guy doesn't particularly interest me. I'm not starting this thread to condemn the man. What gets me is people's reaction to him, and the hypocrisy therein. Time after time, people with his type of record are slammed in AH. Let's not forget, he's a convicted rapist; a man with a history of violent assaults; a man who has driven under the influence of alcohol and drugs. Not exactly Mr Nice Guy. Yet some people who'd go to town on lesser-known scumbags give this guy the benefit of the doubt, and make excuses for him. Indeed, some seem to idolise the guy.
Why is this? Probably because he's a celebrity. As with the rapist Roman Polanski, people seem willing to forgive celebrities anything. Maybe the next time though, that they slam some ordinary scumbag, people should think about the scumbags that they adore and idolise. Shouldn't all scumbags be treated equally??
TL/DR? No need to post.
I talked to iron mike on twitter before and he was very honest and answered a good few questions.
Then I asked a question he did not like. And he got aggressive with his reply so I **** myself and turned the Internet off!0 -
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So there's this guy.
He was a bit of a teenage delinquent. Arrested 38 times by the age of 13. Tried as a juvenile for all manner of crimes.
Bit of a scumbag, eh?
Sentenced to six years in prison for raping a teenage girl.
Definitely a scumbag!
Later sentenced to another year in prison for assaulting two motorists in a fit of rage after an accident.
Scumbag, scumbag, scumbag.
Sentenced to 24 hours in jail a decade later for drink driving.
This guy would have some in AH whipped into a righteous frenzy!! There'd be talk about locking him up forever and throwing away the key. Probably even calls for castration and banishment to a desert island. There's definitely mention of the death penalty and scumbags, and how wimpy liberals allow such people to thrive. He'd be called all manner of things, and all manner of punishments demanded. And this wouldn't be confined to AH, but to a lot of people in society. He'd be viewed as an animal, and treated as such.
And yet, he's not. He's widely claimed as an inspiration. On the AH documentary thread, his film was mentioned more than once as a tour de force, and he as an inspiration. When people questioned this, others jumped to the defence of the man. At the moment, he's taking part in an autobiographical world tour, where he basically talks about his life from stage. And there's no shortage of people willing to pay money to listen to the man, and defend him against critics. In the ads for the show, he's described as a living legend, and lots of mention is made of his charitable activities. And his darker side is relegated to "some controversies".
Of course, the man is Mike Tyson. Now, the guy doesn't particularly interest me. I'm not starting this thread to condemn the man. What gets me is people's reaction to him, and the hypocrisy therein. Time after time, people with his type of record are slammed in AH. Let's not forget, he's a convicted rapist; a man with a history of violent assaults; a man who has driven under the influence of alcohol and drugs. Not exactly Mr Nice Guy. Yet some people who'd go to town on lesser-known scumbags give this guy the benefit of the doubt, and make excuses for him. Indeed, some seem to idolise the guy.
Why is this? Probably because he's a celebrity. As with the rapist Roman Polanski, people seem willing to forgive celebrities anything. Maybe the next time though, that they slam some ordinary scumbag, people should think about the scumbags that they adore and idolise. Shouldn't all scumbags be treated equally??
TL/DR? No need to post.
Maybe he is a nice guy now.0 -
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mad turnip wrote: »Once again no clarity is given on the type of rape, was it a "no, not tonight kind of rape" or a drag her into a bush down some dark alley kind of rape. The word in general is way too vague now a days
I don't see the difference between the two to be honest. If the act is not consensual, then it's rape. Not all that vague I would have thought.0 -
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mad turnip wrote: »Once again no clarity is given on the type of rape, was it a "no, not tonight kind of rape" or a drag her into a bush down some dark alley kind of rape. The word in general is way too vague now a days
Only for those who want to promote doubt.0 -
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mad turnip wrote: »Once again no clarity is given on the type of rape, was it a "no, not tonight kind of rape" or a drag her into a bush down some dark alley kind of rape. The word in general is way too vague now a days
I know I shouldn't but that made me laugh for all the wrong reasons.
What kind of rape is that? Is it more acceptable than a "drag her into a bush" kind of rape?
As someone said, if it's not consensual then it's rape. End of.0 -
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Cold Chocolate wrote: »What did he do on graham norton's show?
He was rat arsed and just made a complete show of himself. Norton even referred to it in a later episode...
Remember his awsome Markey Mark hair? He was definitely one of my smash hits posters blu-tacked to my bedroom wall.
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