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Teen Seeking Help After Car Accident Rang Doorbell, Was Shot In The Head

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  • #62
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,478 ✭✭✭wexie


    P_1 wrote: »
    True I guess you would want to have some protection with you answering the door in the middle of the night, especially in somewhere with such high crime rates as Detroit. I'd like to hope that some sort of malfunction with the gun, rather than somebody deciding to shoot first and ask questions later was to blame for this though.

    That's what the other article seems to be indicating.

    Also the fact that there were several hours between the accident and her being shot, AND the police refusing to say what she was doing in the meantime makes me think there's probably more to it than we now know.

    I'm a cynical aul grumpy fecker though


  • #63
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Are you sure about that? This has Detroit in 4th last year (and 6th in 2011) - http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murder-rates-nationally-and-state - behind Mississippi, Louisiana and Alabama. Now I wonder what the laws on gun ownership are in those three deep red states?

    Rounding out the top 10 are South Carolina, Missouri, Maryland, Delaware, Tennessee and Arkansas. Making an assumption here, but Mary and possibly Delaware are the only ones there that I could see with gun control laws.

    That's by state, not by city.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_cities_by_crime_rate


  • #64
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    wexie wrote: »
    That's what the other article seems to be indicating.

    Also the fact that there were several hours between the accident and her being shot, AND the police refusing to say what she was doing in the meantime makes me think there's probably more to it than we now know.

    I'm a cynical aul grumpy fecker though

    You mean it wasn't caused by 'Merica?


  • #65
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Seaneh wrote: »
    No, 'Murika still applies, because it's fu*king apt.

    Galway, to be honest, sure what would they know.


  • #66
    Seaneh
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    MadsL, you're typical of gun-nut constitutional conservatives, you can't debate gun laws on their actual merits because you know you don't have a leg to stand on so you constantly shift the goal posts to try and suit your agenda with nonsense whataboutery and completely irrelevant bollocks.


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  • #67
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,478 ✭✭✭wexie


    MadsL wrote: »
    You mean it wasn't caused by 'Merica?

    Hey hey hey don't drag me into that one.

    I'd be happy to inform you of my personal views on American gun ownership and gun control but leave me out of this 'Murica nonsense.


  • #68
    Seaneh
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    MadsL wrote: »
    Galway, to be honest, sure what would they know.


    A lot more about not having people shooting each other than anywhere in the US, that's for ****ing sure.


  • #69
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Seaneh wrote: »
    No you need an ID card, which almost anyone can acquire.

    Oh ffs, that's like saying you need an ID in order to drive rather than an driving licence. The "ID" required is a Firearm Owner Identification (FOID) card - a bit of clue in the name.


  • #70
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,554 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    Seaneh wrote: »
    MadsL, you're typical of gun-nut constitutional conservatives, you can't debate gun laws on their actual merits because you know you don't have a leg to stand on so you constantly shift the goal posts to try and suit your agenda with nonsense whataboutery and completely irrelevant bollocks.

    wow

    physician, heal thyself


  • #71
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    MadsL is right, you're all just prejudices. Why not talk about the Typhoon in the Pacific right now? Why all the focus on America?


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  • #72
    P_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    Seaneh wrote: »
    MadsL, you're typical of gun-nut constitutional conservatives, you can't debate gun laws on their actual merits because you know you don't have a leg to stand on so you constantly shift the goal posts to try and suit your agenda with nonsense whataboutery and completely irrelevant bollocks.

    Jeez that's just a little bit harsh.

    Imagine if on a site you frequent that every news story that involved a drink driving related death was greeted with comments like "drunken Micks", would that not get a little bit tiresome after a while?


  • #73
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    MadsL wrote: »
    That's by state, not by city.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_cities_by_crime_rate
    But if I am correct the laws are made by the state and not the city? So that is what they should be reviewed by.


  • #74
    Seaneh
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    MadsL wrote: »
    Oh ffs, that's like saying you need an ID in order to drive rather than an driving licence. The "ID" required is a Firearm Owner Identification (FOID) card - a bit of clue in the name.

    Yes, an ID, but you DO NOT HAVE TO REGISTER ANY WEAPONS YOU BUY USING THE ID.


    Why is that so hard to get your head around?!


  • #75
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Seaneh wrote: »
    A lot more about not having people shooting each other than anywhere in the US, that's for ****ing sure.

    http://www.joe.ie/news/current-affairs/man-injured-in-athenry-shooting/

    Yeah, people never get shot in Galway...oh wait...


  • #76
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    MadsL wrote: »
    http://www.joe.ie/news/current-affairs/man-injured-in-athenry-shooting/

    Yeah, people never get shot in Galway...oh wait...

    You're so right. Wait, someone did get shot in Galway.


  • #77
    pablomakaveli
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,752 ✭✭✭pablomakaveli


    MadsL wrote: »
    Odd how those gun threads are never about shooting incidents in Ireland. AH is careful to be quiet about those.

    Probably because we don't get much oppurtunity. It's not a weekly occurence here.


  • #78
    Seaneh
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    P_1 wrote: »
    Jeez that's just a little bit harsh.

    Imagine if on a site you frequent that every news story that involved a drink driving related death was greeted with comments like "drunken Micks", would that not get a little bit tiresome after a while?

    If drink driving was the main cause of unlawful deaths in Ireland then I'd take it as valid criticism and be fully supportive of harsher laws governing driving and alcohol, harsher penalties for offenders and a review the culture of driving while under the influence of alcohol in Ireland.

    But it's not.

    And the vast majority of unlawful killings in the US DO involve a firearm.

    So it's not exactly a valid comparison.


  • #79
    Timmyctc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,825 ✭✭✭Timmyctc


    P_1 wrote: »
    Jeez that's just a little bit harsh.

    Imagine if on a site you frequent that every news story that involved a drink driving related death was greeted with comments like "drunken Micks", would that not get a little bit tiresome after a while?

    If they were all Irish then it'd have clout. If it was all based on our inept behaviour then I think few would have problems with people using that phrase. It'd get tiresome but we wouldnt defend it while concurrently on the phone to the leg factory to see if they can sell us any to stand on :pac: (that last analogy comes from my little bro)


  • #80
    Seaneh
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    MadsL wrote: »
    http://www.joe.ie/news/current-affairs/man-injured-in-athenry-shooting/

    Yeah, people never get shot in Galway...oh wait...



    So how many people In Galway got shot last year? You found 1 story where a man was shot 3 years ago and are trying to act smug about it?

    Try harder, your strawman is falling apart.


    And again, completely irrelevant to the discussion.


  • #81
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Seaneh wrote: »
    MadsL, you're typical of gun-nut constitutional conservatives, you can't debate gun laws on their actual merits because you know you don't have a leg to stand on so you constantly shift the goal posts to try and suit your agenda with nonsense whataboutery and completely irrelevant bollocks.

    1. I'm not a "gun-nut"
    2. I'm not a conservative.

    I guess I'm typical though, hey?
    wexie wrote: »
    Hey hey hey don't drag me into that one.

    Was pointing out that you pointed out there may just be more to this than 'Merica 'splainings
    Billy86 wrote: »
    But if I am correct the laws are made by the state and not the city? So that is what they should be reviewed by.

    Cities also have gun ordinances. Counties may also vary.
    Seaneh wrote: »
    Yes, an ID, but you DO NOT HAVE TO REGISTER ANY WEAPONS YOU BUY USING THE ID.
    Why is that so hard to get your head around?!

    FFS, the weapon you buy using a FOID card is recorded at the time of purchase. And you have to register handguns in Michigan.


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  • #82
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    SparkySpitfire wrote: »

    EDIT: To elaborate, they're not available to the public here and those awful things happened, they're available to the American public (after getting licences obvs) and we're seeing story after story of senseless murders like this one.

    Is there not a very similar rate of gun ownership in Canada?
    SparkySpitfire wrote: »
    1. Didn't know that, I still don't hear of people getting shot on doorsteps. (Apart from in gangland of course, but every country has their own version of that)
    But if guns are the problem and there are lots of guns here, then why aren't there large amounts of shootings here?


  • #83
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Seaneh wrote: »
    So how many people In Galway got shot last year? You found 1 story where a man was shot 3 years ago and are trying to act smug about it?

    Try harder, your strawman is falling apart.


    And again, completely irrelevant to the discussion.

    I see. Now you want a debate.

    Me making grossly broad and sweeping comments about where you live has you asking for real facts.

    Are you seeing the point yet?


  • #84
    MadYaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    MadsL wrote: »
    http://www.joe.ie/news/current-affairs/man-injured-in-athenry-shooting/

    Yeah, people never get shot in Galway...oh wait...

    Thats from 3 years ago...


  • #85
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    pablomakaveli wrote: »
    Probably because we don't get much oppurtunity. It's not a weekly occurence here.

    I linked to four shootings that happened this week earlier in the thread. Two in Ireland, one in UK and one in Australia. Not a peep on AH.


  • #86
    Timmyctc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,825 ✭✭✭Timmyctc


    MadsL wrote: »
    I see. Now you want a debate.

    Me making grossly broad and sweeping comments about where you live has you asking for real facts.

    Are you seeing the point yet?

    He's been posting real facts since like what, his second post in the thread?


  • #87
    Seaneh
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    MadsL wrote: »
    I see. Now you want a debate.

    Me making grossly broad and sweeping comments about where you live has you asking for real facts.

    Are you seeing the point yet?

    You're trying to tailor the discussion to suit your agenda, as usual.

    Because the leg factory seems to have ran out of replacements apparently.


  • #88
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    MadYaker wrote: »
    Thats from 3 years ago...

    Yeah but all those Galway nutters are the same...facts, who needs facts.


  • #89
    P_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    Seaneh wrote: »
    If drink driving was the main cause of unlawful deaths in Ireland then I'd take it as valid criticism and be fully supportive of harsher laws governing driving and alcohol, harsher penalties for offenders and a review the culture of driving while under the influence of alcohol in Ireland.

    But it's not.

    And the vast majority of unlawful killings in the US DO involve a firearm.

    So it's not exactly a valid comparison.
    Timmyctc wrote: »
    If they were all Irish then it'd have clout. If it was all based on our inept behaviour then I think few would have problems with people using that phrase. It'd get tiresome but we wouldnt defend it while concurrently on the phone to the leg factory to see if they can sell us any to stand on :pac: (that last analogy comes from my little bro)

    True but tarring an entire population based on the actions of a minority (albeit a highly destructive one) with a lazy 'witty' one liner is something that would get quite tiresome after a while. It was funny maybe the first time it was ever uttered, that time is long ago.

    Random shootings are thankfully something that most of us here won't have to deal with but perhaps discussing the matter of gun control with those who are opposed to it in a rational way rather than using witty one liners might be a slightly more constructive way of going about things?


  • #90
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,478 ✭✭✭wexie


    MadsL wrote: »
    Was pointing out that you pointed out there may just be more to this than 'Merica 'splainings

    Of course there is, I don't think you've ever heard me say 'Murica in anything other than a joking context.

    While I wouldn't necessarily agree with gun's being quite so available in the US I don't subscribe to the idea that all Americans are gun-toting-bloodthirsty-lunatics just waiting for the first opportunity to shoot someone.

    I absolutely believe there are many ills in the US society (as in most other ones) but I think one of the main reasons it's such a big issue round these parts is that in general the US doesn't seem to be getting great publicity.

    A lot of our news is focussed on the US and unfortunately bad / spectacular news is what sells.


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  • #91
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Seaneh wrote: »
    You're trying to tailor the discussion to suit your agenda, as usual.

    Because the leg factory seems to have ran out of replacements apparently.

    OK - justify your 'Merika comment as to how a single shooting reflects on 317,015,000 people and 50 States all with different gun laws and we will count how many legs you have.

    Go.


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