LUXOBARGE (sub5k) of the week/day

kaimera wrote: »

Cos my fiesta is a poxy place to sit in when stuck in traffic on the m50 each day, I'm srs considering one of the barges posted...but insurance is a bitch (read: non starter) for a 30yo who had a bike the last few years

Start off in the likes of a Maxims and build your no claims again. You're at a grand ah for insurance.

Valetta wrote: »

How arrogant and patronising.

Strike a nerve?
Did someone just fork out 45k for a 518d and realise they bought a badge?:P

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

something a bit left field

http://cars.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/bentley-eight/5943605

For the eccentric pimp. I like it.

350 z engine ,almost 1 £ per cc, at 3750 reliable, feck suggesting LPG , just put 3000 aside to tax and fuel it. Cheap years motoring all in. Should nearly be in banger nomics

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/nissan-murano-3-450-no-offers/5814113

I had a "Jag" and it had pretty much every extra bar xenons and a sunroof! Luckily too as the xenons are supposed to be awful hard ship.

Bigus wrote: »

350 z engine ,almost 1 £ per cc, at 3750 reliable, feck suggesting LPG , just put 3000 aside to tax and fuel it. Cheap years motoring all in. Should nearly be in banger nomics
http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/nissan-murano-3-450-no-offers/5814113

Ill admit to always having a soft spot for these. Something that looks normal'ish yet packs a Z engine for no apparent reason. Cheap too.

delthedriver wrote: »

Never understood why they only came in petrol. Perhaps an alternative to Lexus RX?

Forget Ireland's obsession with small engines (then small diesels post 2008) then you can see why.. its a better engine and fits it target markets requirements.
Designed in the US for the US and AsiaPac markets, where its won award after award. Yeah, not at all suited to Ireland, but that's irrelevant to Nissan. They introduce a 4pot diesel in the 2nd gen version though (2007+) but not sure that was sold in Uk/Ire.

Matt Simis wrote: »

Forget Ireland's obsession with small engines (then small diesels post 2008) then you can see why..

Or when you think about it the whole of Europe and probably Japan also. The USA is the only market where there " is no replacement for displacement" and capacity is measured not in liters but Cubic Inches as having 353 C I displacment sounds more impressive that a 5.8l

In reality large engines offer little over modern turbocharging. They have more weight, more frictional losses, and use more fuel. Good turbocharging means one has the benefits of a large displacement engine when you need it at higher rpms and economy at lower rpms.
The tax system is one nail in the coffin of high displacement either under co2 or under capacity and increased fuel costs in the last 5 years another. Turbos or not diesels are not great engines as they dont rev to the redline like petrols and sound industrial.

The problem isn't really with the engine but it's a lot to do with the car they're put into.
In something light a 1.2 turbo doesn't have a lot of work to do so it won't be overly stressed but yes, in a big, heavy Octavia it's going to be working pretty hard to push that lump of metal around.
The Ford Eco Boost Fiesta is a good example of where these engines should be.
Japan have been lumping turbos on small engines for small arms for years with little issues.

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

They drive differently, are under immensely less stress and consequently offer better reliability.
I'll offer you odds of 10/1 that my 98 truck with a chevy small block 5.7 v8 NA will outlast many of the small cc FI engines in large cars (like a 1.2 octavia) being sold today.

I drive around at less than 1000 rpm 80% of the time. Such a lazy drive (and non stressful on the engine - there's 180 k miles on her and it could easily be 18k). Forced induction petrol engines with small capacity will work fine when released but will they last 100k miles? I don't think so. We are going backwards in terms of reliability.

Oh and to address your final point, my e60 diesel revs right to its redline and does not sound industrial (although it is an FI engine - albeit a 3.0 twin turbo)

For most people doing average miles cars are worthless after 10 years and 100000 miles so this is irrelevent. Afaik trucks are turbocharged and designed to last 1 million miles so what your saying probabl isnt true. Yes turbos blow but they are just a fiver of bearings. OK labour is expensive and few will repair the turbo but its small change to fix it if you know what your doing.

lomb wrote: »

For most people doing average miles cars are worthless after 10 years and 100000 miles so this is irrelevent. Afaik trucks are turbocharged and designed to last 1 million miles so what your saying probabl isnt true. Yes turbos blow but they are just a fiver of bearings. OK labour is expensive and few will repair the turbo but its small change to fix it if you know what your doing.

I don't think a 2003 car with 100k is worthless.
Turbo's do not cost a fiver to repair, I know - I've had to change 2 of them.
If you can do it for a fiver, give me your number please

Eric Cartman wrote: »

and its ugly as f*ck

Eh, no...no its not.

bidiots wrote: »

Eh, no...no its not.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

Cars are worthless after 10 years? That is silly.

What I'm saying isn't true? Take that horsesh!t elsewhere, I am looking out the window at my normally aspirated truck outside now. They are also not designed for a million miles.

Turbo repair is not a fiver. Pure stupidity to suggest so.

Seriously, you should have to pass an IQ test to post here, or at least score double digits.:rolleyes:

Eh? They are in market value terms relatively worthless. Ie a 2003 S320 Cdi that starts at 100k retail would be with 100000 miles on it worth less than 5% so it is basically worthless economically. That car is about 75% of the new car yet 5% of the cost. Yes older cars need maintainance and most people are unable mentally to spend money on cars with low values so it means we can run a millionaires motor on relative haypennys.

Turbo repair is in reality a fiver of bearings. I never said I would do it for that but thats all it is. There is nothing revolutionary about a turbo , its a fan that spins rapidly on bearings that are oil sensitive and wear out.

From Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbo-diesel
In 1951 MAN presented a turbocharged version of their MK26 truck, although it was never put into mass production.[11] Series production of turbocharged diesel trucks commenced in 1954, when both MAN 750TL1 and Volvo Titan Turbo were introduced to the markets.[12] The building of the Interstate Highway System in USA from 1956, made long-distance road transportation of goods more attractive and to keep up with general traffic more powerful engines came in increasing demand: Cummins, Detroit and CAT all had turbo-charging as an option by the late-1960s. In Europe, legislation was introduced in Germany mandating a minimum power-to-weight ratio for trucks; by the late 1960s a 38-tonne consist had to have at least 304 hp.[13] Most manufacturers met these requirement with large-displacement natural aspiration engines, some with the option of large-displacement or turbo-charging, while Scania and Volvo where among those that only provided turbocharged trucks that met the demands. Turbo-charging was not preferred initially as the engines was perceived to be less reliable, but the method won a decisive victory by the mid-1970s as the 1973 oil crisis increased fuel costs. The last market to see the absolute penetration of turbo diesels was Japan, where legislation on particle emissions effectively mandated natural aspiration engines until effective particle filters became available.