Why do people get bent out of shape over ID?

oceanman · 07-11-2013 12:25PM

Thoie wrote: »

I think this is one of the reasons why adults well over the age of 25 get annoyed. You're asked for ID when you don't expect it (because you don't think you look under <insert arbitrary shop-set age limit here>. You then miraculously find that you do have some ID on you, only to be told it's not the right kind of ID. Particularly frustrating is being told that your government issued ID is not acceptable, and that shop only accepts this one very specific form of ID that most grown-ups never get.

I can be admitted to another country with my driving license/passport, yet it's not good enough to buy a bottle of wine in some places.

at that stage I would just walk out and take my business elsewhere! ...their loss..

MadYaker · 07-11-2013 12:31PM

I think the government should bring in a law obliging everyone to carry ID at all times and then issue free IDs to everyone. It would cut out all this crap. I used to work in a shop that sold drink, it wasn't in an area where you'd get a lot of underage kids trying to buy drink but id always if I had any doubt, like the OP id heard stories about the Gardai sending in underage kids to see if we'd sell it to them. Although these days its rare enough that a person wouldn't have some form of ID, almost everybody has a drivers license or a college ID or something.

rubadub · 07-11-2013 12:32PM

Jarrod wrote: »

Anyway, the winning age was usually late twenties. Then one day I IDed a 38 year old woman. She hit the fcuking roof! In fairness, I thought she was mid to late twenties at most.

You'd think they'd be pleased and take it as a compliment. Most of these whinging women have probably spent a small fortune on cosmetics etc and totted up years of time over the decades in the goal of looking younger.

Perhaps they are so old they do not want you knowing their age.

thecatspjs wrote: »

A co-worker of mine was fired on the spot for selling wine to an under-age girl that the Gardaí sent in

ah the eagle eyed gardai, expecting everybody to be as good as they are at estimating peoples ages, oh wait...

oceanman · 07-11-2013 12:51PM

rubadub wrote: »

You'd think they'd be pleased and take it as a compliment. Most of these whinging women have probably spent a small fortune on cosmetics etc and totted up years of time over the decades in the goal of looking younger.

Perhaps they are so old they do not want you knowing their age.

ah the eagle eyed gardai, expecting everybody to be as good as they are at estimating peoples ages, oh wait...

long range shooter · 07-11-2013 01:11PM

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

:rolleyes:
why would they need to show you any ID, you are the one who wants to buy alcohol / fags

Cause they could be selling alcohol or fags illegaly

rainbow kirby · 07-11-2013 01:15PM

It's a pain in the hole tbh. I'm 29 but have a relatively young face, particularly when I have a full face of make-up on. Since I moved to London, I'm getting ID'd under Challenge 25 policies all the time, despite not having been ID'd in Ireland for a couple of years. Pain in the arse, thought I was over that at this stage...

I have a photocard UK provisional driver's license, am I likely to get told to feck ofc back home with that?

o1s1n · 07-11-2013 01:17PM

I really think a degree of common sense should come into this.

When I was under 25 I didn't mind. However last week, I was in a pub in Nottingham in the middle of the day and got asked for ID by a bar girl who must have been a decade younger than me. I thought she was joking at first.

Me; 'Thanks for the compliment, but I'm actually 29'

Bargirl; 'Sorry, I still have to ask you for ID' - points at a 'challenge 25 sign'

Me; '...but I'm 29, not under 25'

Bargirl; 'Look, I'm a broke college student and I don't want to risk getting a £70 fine'

Me; 'But you won't get a £70 fine as I'm clearly not 17! /gestures at age haggard, bearded face'

She was having absolutely none of it.

So I walked out, into a pub next door and proceeded to spend a good chunk of money there instead.

I can understand that it's part of their job to make sure there is nobody under age drinking on the premise - but a bit of common sense wouldn't go amiss.

Jester252 · 07-11-2013 01:23PM

long range shooter wrote: »

Cause they could be selling alcohol or fags illegaly

on a licence premised? Most of which have the licence on display.

No no no no
how does seeing someones ID prevent them from sell alcohol and fags illegally? Last time I checked my passport there wasn't a box to let people know if I can alcohol and cigs legally

Jester252 · 07-11-2013 01:26PM

o1s1n wrote: »

I really think a degree of common sense should come into this.

When I was under 25 I didn't mind. However last week, I was in a pub in Nottingham in the middle of the day and got asked for ID by a bar girl who must have been a decade younger than me. I thought she was joking at first.

Me; 'Thanks for the compliment, but I'm actually 29'

Bargirl; 'Sorry, I still have to ask you for ID' - points at a 'challenge 25 sign'

Me; '...but I'm 29, not under 25'

Bargirl; 'Look, I'm a broke college student and I don't want to risk getting a £70 fine'

Me; 'But you won't get a £70 fine as I'm clearly not 17! /gestures at age haggard, bearded face'

She was having absolutely none of it.

So I walked out, into a pub next door and proceeded to spend a good chunk of money there instead.

I can understand that it's part of their job to make sure there is nobody under age drinking on the premise - but a bit of common sense wouldn't go amiss.

So she should have just take your word instead of you supply proof? Acting like a bit of a dick there.

o1s1n · 07-11-2013 01:42PM

Jester252 wrote: »

So she should have just take your word instead of you supply proof? Acting like a bit of a dick there.

So in summary, if you go into a bar, you should expect to be asked for ID by default, no matter how old you look?

Must tell my dad and my granddad to apply for age cards so.

elefant · 07-11-2013 01:44PM

o1s1n wrote: »

So in summary, if you go into a bar, you should expect to be asked for ID by default, no matter how old you look?

Must tell my dad and my granddad to apply for age cards so.

You're only 4 years older than 25. Doesn't sound too unreasonable to me.

Jester252 · 07-11-2013 01:48PM

o1s1n wrote: »

So in summary, if you go into a bar, you should expect to be asked for ID by default, no matter how old you look?

Must tell my dad and my granddad to apply for age cards so.

Yes. You should not expect someone to take a risk just because you say your of age.

runawaybishop · 07-11-2013 01:52PM

Jester252 wrote: »

on a licence premised? Most of which have the licence on display.

No no no no
how does seeing someones ID prevent them from sell alcohol and fags illegally? Last time I checked my passport there wasn't a box to let people know if I can alcohol and cigs legally

You have to be 18 to serve alcohol.

x43r0 · 07-11-2013 01:55PM

When I moved to the UK I got sick of carrying my passport on nights out (Irish Garda ID was practically laughed at) so I applied for a UK provisional driving license.

It's really handy because it's just a card I carry in the wallet and has DOB, Country of Birth and Home Address so you have proof of address when you need it (no need to go looking for utility bills)

I believe the new Irish licenses are in card form - Are they any good?

Jester252 · 07-11-2013 01:57PM

runawaybishop wrote: »

You have to be 18 to serve alcohol.

You have to be over 18 to be in the off licence in the first place. These guys don't mess around with their licence.

runawaybishop · 07-11-2013 02:01PM

Jester252 wrote: »

You have to be over 18 to be in the off licence in the first place. These guys don't mess around with their licence.

The original question was

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

:rolleyes:
why would they need to show you any ID, you are the one who wants to buy alcohol / fags

You don't need to be 18 to be in Tesco.

Jester252 · 07-11-2013 02:08PM

runawaybishop wrote: »

The original question was

You don't need to be 18 to be in Tesco.

Hence why Tesco have certain tills where alcohol can't be brought.

runawaybishop · 07-11-2013 02:21PM

Jester252 wrote: »

Hence why Tesco have certain tills where alcohol can't be brought.

You are missing the point. If you have to prove you are 18 to buy booze, then the server should have to prove they are also 18. I don't agree with it, but that was the original suggestion.

rubadub · 07-11-2013 02:25PM

runawaybishop wrote: »

You have to be 18 to serve alcohol.

I thought it was 16 or 17. But whatever it is, its is the reason some young people working tills cannot serve you. My tesco has no "no alcohol" tills.

http://www.barkeeper.ie/page.asp?menu=0&page=274

Off-licences

It is illegal for anyone under the age of 18 to be in an off-licence, unless he or she is with a parent or guardian and all off-licences must display a sign to this effect. The sign must be in a prominent place at all times and failure to have such a sign on display can result in a fine of up to 25.40 euro for a first offence and 63.50 euro for a second and all subsequent offences. If an off-licence owner is found guilty of allowing under people under 18 onto his or her premises, he or she can be fined up to 381 euro for a first offence and 635 euro for a second and any subsequent conviction. People under 18 can themselves be fined up to 63.50 euro if they are found in an off-licence without a parent or guardian.

EDIT http://www.barkeeper.ie/page.asp?menu=0&page=796

Employment of Persons under the age of 18 years on Licenced Premises:
It is an offence for the holder of a licence to employ any person under the age of 18 years, with the exception of

a close female and male relation (e.g. sister/brother/son/daughter & in-laws) who is resident with the licence holder and is over 16 years
a person who is an apprentice to the licence holder and is over 16 years.

http://www.rrai.ie/_fileupload/Training%20Manuals/RRAI_Training_Manual%20(2).pdf

Who can sell alcohol?
Only persons aged 18 years or over may sell alcohol otherwise a criminal offence will be committed.
If you are under 18 you may carry out general duties in the shop or may make non liquor sales only.
Persons employed in either a Supermarket, Convenience Store or Petrol Station who are under 18 years of age, may not
under any circumstances go behind the counter to serve a customer alcohol.
If you are under 18 and you are operating a non alcohol payment register or a customer presents alcohol during the
transaction you must:
• Call the Manager or a member of staff who is 18 or over.
• You may scan non alcoholic items while you are waiting.
• Your manager or staff member over 18 will scan the alcoholic items and will complete the transaction and take the
payment – you must not scan the alcohol and complete the transaction.

Garzard · 07-11-2013 02:29PM

I'm 20 and while I wouldn't kick off over it, I never liked getting asked for age proof, especially when singled out of a large group of people. I dunno, I just take it as an accusation of being underage, but that's me. :P But the lack of flexibility in accepted ID types is also a pain in the arse - I remember at one stage trying to use my college ID which was well detailed and had everything from DoB to an even clearer photo than my Age Card does, and still got refused. My Age Card has even been refused several times with my college ID not being accepted as a backup, and less and less places seem to be accepting passports.

Thoie · 07-11-2013 02:32PM

long range shooter wrote: »

Ill show my id when the person who asks for it, shows his

long range shooter wrote: »

Cause they could be selling alcohol or fags illegaly

runawaybishop wrote: »

You have to be 18 to serve alcohol.

The difference is that you, the customer, will not be fined/fired for buying alcohol from someone underage, but they can be fined/fired for selling alcohol to someone underage.

Festy · 07-11-2013 02:34PM

Just take it as a compliment folks, that's what I do

easy1 · 07-11-2013 02:42PM

I'm 30 years old and i can't buy alcohol without my passport and what is funny i didn't look very young,so as my partner who is 36 years old-same problem!!!!

Whisko · 07-11-2013 02:44PM

Some people just appear to be age blind. I'm 27, I am clearly over 18 to look at. 98% of the time I don't get asked for ID, but that leaves the very rare 2% of the time that I do.

Now, 98% of people will happilly agree that I'm clearly over 18. What then is wrong witht he 2% of people that don't?

VONSHIRACH · 07-11-2013 02:49PM

Once, when I was unemployed for a few months, the same woman at the local post office would give me hassle when I collected my UB payment, disputing my signature, my identity etc. Even my passport was queried. And all this with a massive queue in front of me and behind me. It didn't happen when she wasn't there or I got another clerk in the queue. I complained to the GPO as it was so bad. When I got working again, I said I'd never use that PO again for anything. Every year or so a job contract might finish and the next time I was between jobs I collected my dole payment in another PO and with no hassle.

If any person doubted my passport's authenticity, I would challenge them to call the Gardai. I would complain to their headoffice. Then I would take my business elsewhere.

runawaybishop · 07-11-2013 03:02PM

Whisko wrote: »

Some people just appear to be age blind. I'm 27, I am clearly over 18 to look at. 98% of the time I don't get asked for ID, but that leaves the very rare 2% of the time that I do.

Now, 98% of people will happilly agree that I'm clearly over 18. What then is wrong witht he 2% of people that don't?

Face blindness affects 2.5% of people roughly. Sometimes this can manifest as an inability to guess age.

rubadub · 07-11-2013 03:34PM

Whisko wrote: »

What then is wrong witht he 2% of people that don't?

Overly paranoid about losing their job or being fined, "better safe than sorry", they see no downside to asking, but a risk in not asking. Or nosey and want to know your age.

MadsL · 07-11-2013 03:53PM

o1s1n wrote: »

I really think a degree of common sense should come into this.

When I was under 25 I didn't mind. However last week, I was in a pub in Nottingham in the middle of the day and got asked for ID by a bar girl who must have been a decade younger than me. I thought she was joking at first.

Me; 'Thanks for the compliment, but I'm actually 29'

Bargirl; 'Sorry, I still have to ask you for ID' - points at a 'challenge 25 sign'

Me; '...but I'm 29, not under 25'

Bargirl; 'Look, I'm a broke college student and I don't want to risk getting a £70 fine'

Me; 'But you won't get a £70 fine as I'm clearly not 17! /gestures at age haggard, bearded face'

She was having absolutely none of it.

So I walked out, into a pub next door and proceeded to spend a good chunk of money there instead.

I can understand that it's part of their job to make sure there is nobody under age drinking on the premise - but a bit of common sense wouldn't go amiss.

o1s1n wrote: »

So in summary, if you go into a bar, you should expect to be asked for ID by default, no matter how old you look?

Must tell my dad and my granddad to apply for age cards so.

Best tell them if they ever visit the US.

I have a grey beard and will NOT get served alcohol here in some states without valid, in date, photo ID with an expiration date. Cops do and will bust bartenders for serving anyone without ID. Owner can also get busted for having someone with no valid ID drinking in the premises.

runawaybishop · 07-11-2013 04:00PM

MadsL wrote: »

Best tell them if they ever visit the US.

I have a grey beard and will NOT get served alcohol here in some states without valid, in date, photo ID with an expiration date. Cops do and will bust bartenders for serving anyone without ID. Owner can also get busted for having someone with no valid ID drinking in the premises.

He wasn't in the states though, like he said some common sense should have been used.

Bottleopener · 07-11-2013 04:02PM

The shop I work in has been a target of a number of Garda "sting" operations. Basically they send in an underage person to buy drink, and if they dont get asked for ID, the employee is fired on the spot and the shop is fined/potentially shut down for a few days.

This, obviously leads to an increased awareness when it comes to asking for ID, however, asking for ID can be really awkward on the part of the employee too. Myself and a few colleagues have been threatened when simply asking for ID, indeed, a colleague was actually physically assaulted once by a guy who screamed "I'm 20, I dont need ID". People just have an issue with putting themselves in the shoes of the person behind the till, and cant rationalise the situation. We aren't doing it to be dicks. We're doing it to obey the law/not lose our jobs.

runawaybishop wrote: »

He wasn't in the states though, like he said some common sense should have been used.

Its very easy saying that from the perspective of the customer, but it just takes one underage customer for you to be jobless. "Looking under 25" is the general go to rule.

x43r0 wrote: »

I believe the new Irish licenses are in card form - Are they any good?

Yep! These are a step in the right direction. It was always rather awkward to accept older drivers licences, since they're so easy to doctor/produce fakes of.

Why do people get bent out of shape over ID?

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