Islam in Scandanavia

suicide_circus · 07-11-2013 03:26PM

hansfrei wrote: »

If you're refering to me that would be defamation. I have said nothing like that.

lol sue his ass

FTA69 · 07-11-2013 03:26PM

Systemic Risk wrote: »

I am actually really surprised by that video. I really thought that the majority of Muslims who live in western society would be against stoning for things like adultery or homosexuality.

If I went into the Sinn Féin Ard Fheis and polled support for the IRA campaign a large majority would agree I'd imagine. However, you'd be foolish to take that as representative as the Irish population as a whole. This conference was a get-together for radical zealots so obviously the opinions expressed there would reflect that. While such a group is definitely worrying (considering the youth of those involved), it isn't indicative of broader Muslim attitudes.

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 07-11-2013 03:27PM

BobbyPropane wrote: »

It was wrong of him to say that man went crazy because of Islam.

Here is some violence in Sweden caused by muslims though:

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2013/05/violent-muslim-riots-continue-for-sixth-straight-day-in-sweden-spreading-beyond-capital.html

http://rt.com/news/stockholm-violence-outbreak-fires-671/

http://observers.france24.com/content/20130820-swedish-women-headscarves-attack-muslim

"We don't want to integrate"

Reading from the racist link you provided it is clear that you don't!

First link is from a virulent Muslim hate website, after that I ignored the other links in case I caught a disease.
Any links to all the violence caused in Sweden by non Muslims or are you inferring that only Muslims cause violence?
Maybe it is a case that Sweden was a crime free utopia before the Muslims arrived.

BobbyPropane · 07-11-2013 03:27PM

FTA69 wrote: »

If I went into the Sinn Féin Ard Fheis and polled support for the IRA campaign a large majority would agree I'd imagine. However, you'd be foolish to take that as representative as the Irish population as a whole. This conference was a get-together for radical zealots so obviously the opinions expressed there would reflect that. While such a group is definitely worrying (considering the youth of those involved), it isn't indicative of broader Muslim attitudes.

Personally I think it is. Look at what is happening in Sweden
, it is NOT integration. Muslims have taken over full suburbs in Malmo and bathe in their own backward ideologies

BobbyPropane · 07-11-2013 03:29PM

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

Reading from the racist link you provided it is clear that you don't!

First link is from a virulent Muslim hate website, after that I ignored the other links in case I caught a disease.
Any links to all the violence caused in Sweden by non Muslims or are you inferring that only Muslims cause violence?
Maybe it is a case that Sweden was a crime free utopia before the Muslims arrived.

As I said 48% of all rapes in Sweden are caused by Muslims and two of those links are from Russia Today and France 24 so no they are not "racist links", also are you ok with minorites causing havoc for everyone else? Of course there was violence in Sweden before immigration but when widespread violence is being caused by the immigrants we are supposed to say that's normal? Their message was "We don't want to integrate"

hansfrei · 07-11-2013 03:30PM

BobbyPropane wrote: »

Personally I think it is. Look at what is happening in Sweden
, it is NOT integration. Muslims have taken over full suburbs in Malmo and bathe in their own backward ideologies

Might be what Swedes want for all you know. Don't think governments set about something without considering consequences.

BobbyPropane · 07-11-2013 03:32PM

hansfrei wrote: »

Might be what Swedes want for all you know. Don't think governments set about something without considering consequences.

In my opinion they are trying too hard to become tolerant. Recently a new movie rating system was brought in based on how sexist movies are.

Here's that 48% statistic http://www.thelocal.se/20100825/28580

jaykay74 · 07-11-2013 03:33PM

cletus van damme wrote: »

I am very angry about the attitudes in this thread. How dare posters even think that the glorious Scandinavian model is less than brilliant?

What model am I talking about - the model where everything in Ireland is held up to ridicule cos the Scandinavians do it better.

everything is super over there and never question it.

someones a bit touchy :pac:

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 07-11-2013 03:42PM

BobbyPropane wrote: »

In my opinion they are trying too hard to become tolerant. Recently a new movie rating system was brought in based on how sexist movies are.

Here's that 48% statistic http://www.thelocal.se/20100825/28580

More bullshít claims.
From the rebuttal carried in the article
"There were 253 court judgements last year, there were 6,000 rapes reported to the police and the Sweden Democrats have chosen 114 cases," said Klara Hradilova Selin to The Local.

Grayson · 07-11-2013 03:44PM

cletus van damme wrote: »

I am very angry about the attitudes in this thread. How dare posters even think that the glorious Scandinavian model is less than brilliant?

What model am I talking about - the model where everything in Ireland is held up to ridicule cos the Scandinavians do it better.

everything is super over there and never question it.

It's way fcuking better than here in many regards. At least when it comes to police, health services and other public services.

that's not to say they're better at everything. I'm actually impressed with the level of tolerance in this country. Except for the odd drunk skanger (or poster on boards) I've seen no racism really. Scandanavian countried might be considered a paradise in many ways, but we're actually not too bad ourselves.

BobbyPropane · 07-11-2013 03:44PM

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

More bullshít claims.
From the rebuttal carried in the article
"There were 253 court judgements last year, there were 6,000 rapes reported to the police and the Sweden Democrats have chosen 114 cases," said Klara Hradilova Selin to The Local.

Please do some research into the subject yourself as well it is very interesting. Also similar statistics have been found in other Scandinavian countries. I don't want to come across as a racist or anything but seeing Immigrants riot and saying "We don't want to integrate" worries me.

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 07-11-2013 03:44PM

BobbyPropane wrote: »

As I said 48% of all rapes in Sweden are caused by Muslims

The link you posted clearly blows that racist claim out of the water.
Want to try again?

BobbyPropane · 07-11-2013 03:45PM

Grayson wrote: »

It's way fcuking better than here in many regards. At least when it comes to police, health services and other public services.

that's not to say they're better at everything. I'm actually impressed with the level of tolerance in this country. Except for the odd drunk skanger (or poster on boards) I've seen no racism really. Scandanavian countried might be considered a paradise in many ways, but we're actually not too bad ourselves.

Swedes are really rude as well according to another thread

BobbyPropane · 07-11-2013 03:47PM

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

The link you posted clearly blows that racist claim out of the water.
Want to try again?

And I suppose you'll ignore all the other links too with violence etc? You can't really support the influx of such immigrants into a country can you?

That statistic is still true as well with regards to those cases, I would like to see some other stats for all cases though, true.

https://www.google.ie/search?q=rapes+committed+by+swedish+immigrants&oq=rapes+committed+by+swedish+immigrants&aqs=chrome..69i57.6057j0j7&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8

FTA69 · 07-11-2013 03:50PM

BobbyPropane wrote: »

Personally I think it is. Look at what is happening in Sweden
, it is NOT integration. Muslims have taken over full suburbs in Malmo and bathe in their own backward ideologies

I work in a community centre near Whitechapel, my old doll is a midwife in the same area. We spend most of our working lives around Muslims. Part of my job is organising education and training projects for the local community which is overwhelmingly Bengali and Somali Muslim, we also get a lot of Arabs. These would be largely conservative Muslims, with a lot of the women wearing a niqab (veil). The fact of the matter is that they are ordinary people who largely live in poverty and are desperate to get on. The single biggest demand for courses I get is for English lessons and IT which they hope will enable them to find work or at the very least contribute to their children's school life etc. This notion of them as all being hostile to everyone who isn't a Muslim is complete and utter b*llocks.

People are very quick to make assumptions about others in society based on superficial notions they may have and it really p*sses me off.

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 07-11-2013 03:52PM

BobbyPropane wrote: »

I don't want to come across as a racist or anything

Then why post links to a virulent hate site as a source for your claims?

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 07-11-2013 03:54PM

BobbyPropane wrote: »

And I suppose you'll ignore all the other links too with violence etc? You can't really support the influx of such immigrants into a country can you?

That statistic is still true as well with regards to those cases, I would like to see some other stats for all cases though, true.

https://www.google.ie/search?q=rapes+committed+by+swedish+immigrants&oq=rapes+committed+by+swedish+immigrants&aqs=chrome..69i57.6057j0j7&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8

More links to Muslim hate websites, and then you claim you don't to come across as a racist!:rolleyes:

BobbyPropane · 07-11-2013 04:01PM

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

More links to Muslim hate websites, and then you claim you don't to come across as a racist!:rolleyes:

Choose which ever you like . I love how other sites are never claimed to be too left wing or liberal. Its always "racist" .

BobbyPropane · 07-11-2013 04:05PM

FTA69 wrote: »

I work in a community centre near Whitechapel, my old doll is a midwife in the same area. We spend most of our working lives around Muslims. Part of my job is organising education and training projects for the local community which is overwhelmingly Bengali and Somali Muslim, we also get a lot of Arabs. These would be largely conservative Muslims, with a lot of the women wearing a niqab (veil). The fact of the matter is that they are ordinary people who largely live in poverty and are desperate to get on. The single biggest demand for courses I get is for English lessons and IT which they hope will enable them to find work or at the very least contribute to their children's school life etc. This notion of them as all being hostile to everyone who isn't a Muslim is complete and utter b*llocks.

People are very quick to make assumptions about others in society based on superficial notions they may have and it really p*sses me off.

As I said I know not all of them are bad and it is wrong to generalise but even Muslims in England have occasionally shown that they want sharia law wherever they go.

People can be nice but as a group following an ideology things get messy.

Son Of A Vidic · 07-11-2013 04:11PM

FTA69 wrote: »

The fella in question is a radical religious bigot and his organisation isn't much better. This was an event hosted by his group and clearly had an agenda to begin with; at the end of the day he was preaching to his own supporters, hardly a representation of all Muslims. The fact that there are a large number of young men who are adopting this viewpoint is certainly worrying; but it shouldn't be taken as an example that "they're all like that."

Be careful now, you'll get yourself in trouble for making too much sense.

FTA69 · 07-11-2013 04:12PM

It's also worth noting that when the Bengalis came to England they came as uneducated and unskilled migrants who were ruthlessly exploited and suffered very prominent and very virulent street racism well into the 1980s. To this day most Bengalis in East London live in fairly dire poverty in overcrowded flats that are barely habitable. I had one woman in last week who had a yearly income of £7,000 and had two kids to boot. Despite this, she's active in looking for work and attends my centre 4 times a week for English and computer lessons in a mixed class. She may be a strict Muslim, but she's certainly eager to improve her own lot and take part in society. Just because a woman wears a hijab doesn't mean she's chained to the sink and sits at home brooding about blowing stuff up.

If anything, the treatment the Bengalis received when they arrived to Britain created an insular and close-knit community which has allowed radical Islam to gain a foothold.

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 07-11-2013 04:13PM

BobbyPropane wrote: »

Apparently 90% of all rapes in Norway are committed by Muslims while in Sweden it stands at 48%
QUOTE]

More lies and racist distortions.

You might try reading this:
http://itsnobody.wordpress.com/2011/08/15/debunking-the-atheistracist-muslim-rape-lie-in-sweden/

FTA69 · 07-11-2013 04:18PM

BobbyPropane wrote: »

As I said I know not all of them are bad and it is wrong to generalise but even Muslims in England have occasionally shown that they want sharia law wherever they go.

People can be nice but as a group following an ideology things get messy.

Sharia is a way of life according to Muslim belief, the vast majority of Sharia stuff deals with inter-communal or family disputes and has no counterpart in state law. It's largely innocuous stuff concerning wills etc and the vast majority of its proponents don't ever suggest that it can or should take the place of state law.

Islam isn't an ideology, it's a religion. There are some people who seek to incorporate it into an ideology and I agree that it's dangerous and worrying, but it isn't the norm within that community.

seano12 · 07-11-2013 04:18PM

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

Reading from the racist link you provided it is clear that you don't!

First link is from a virulent Muslim hate website, after that I ignored the other links in case I caught a disease.
Any links to all the violence caused in Sweden by non Muslims or are you inferring that only Muslims cause violence?
Maybe it is a case that Sweden was a crime free utopia before the Muslims arrived.

Islam is not a race, There are African Muslims Arabic Muslims and Bosniaks to name a few..... Islam is a religious and political ideology

FTA69 · 07-11-2013 04:19PM

seano12 wrote: »

Islam is a political ideology

No it isn't. Some people attach it to an ideology but most don't.

The Diabolical Monocle · 07-11-2013 04:19PM

Drone those pricks soon as they step out.

wretcheddomain · 07-11-2013 04:21PM

People have rights but their beliefs do not and therefore do not have to be respected. We can respect individual Muslims who wish to integrate into society but they can keep their private beliefs to themselves and shouldn't try to impose their own beliefs on others. It really is that simple. Railing against their beliefs is not Islamophobic as that word has no meaning. We're not afraid of Muslims when we criticise their beliefs and so the accusation is a distinctly empty one; formed and manipulated primarily for politicised reasons.

We can see the fatuity of this proposition if we apply the same standards to Scientologists. We can respect the integration of scientologists into our society but as long as they keep their beliefs to themselves. If they make their beliefs public and imposing it on others then I'm equally as likely to criticise the craziness of the belief system. In doing this, does this make me Scientologiphobic? I certainly think not. Could such a word be invented for political purposes? I certainly think so.

Nodin · 07-11-2013 04:22PM

BobbyPropane wrote: »

........
, it is NOT integration. Muslims have taken over full suburbs in Malmo and bathe in their own backward ideologies

'...and as it was written that the mask would indeed slip, indeed it did come to pass'

BobbyPropane wrote: »

Never really heard much about problems with immigration in Sweden until recently. But take a look at this video from a "Peace" conference in Norway.

Mad, because you seem awfully familiar with the same debunked cack that's spewed about the subject.

I could start an extreme right conference and call it a "Racial Peace Gathering".

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 07-11-2013 04:22PM

seano12 wrote: »

Islam is not a race, There are African Muslims Arabic Muslims and Bosniaks to name a few..... Islam is a religious and political ideology

Islam is no more a political Ideology than Christianity is.

wretcheddomain · 07-11-2013 04:25PM

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

Islam is no more a political Ideology than Christianity is.

Exactly. Islam is not a political manifesto but its content can be manipulated for political goals. These are two distinct concepts and shouldn't be conflated.

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