Islam in Scandanavia

BobbyPropane · 07-11-2013 12:36PM #1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV710c1dgpU#t=243

Never really heard much about problems with immigration in Sweden until recently. But take a look at this video from a "Peace" conference in Norway.

Skip to 4:03. The speaker asked how many Muslims there are in favour of stoning and the death penalty for offences against Sharia Law and nearly all of them put their hands up.

Now I'm pretty open minded about other cultures etc and I know that these people could be nice on the outside and even perhaps tolerant for a while but if this the underlying message of Islam and the basis of its culture then I would be completely opposed to the building of any major mosques in this country and indeed immigration if needs be.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 07-11-2013 12:38PM

funnily enough the best thing to do with those people would be to integrate the **** out of them

christianity in europe has been well and truly neutered, now we just need to do the same to islam.

DrumSteve · 07-11-2013 12:38PM

Scandanavian Forum --->

gobnaitolunacy · 07-11-2013 12:42PM

Thought the Scandy countries would be too cold, grey and depressing for them.

Ush1 · 07-11-2013 12:43PM

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

funnily enough the best thing to do with those people would be to integrate the **** out of them

christianity in europe has been well and truly neutered, now we just need to do the same to islam.

Depends what you mean by "integration" with people who want the death penalty for something deemed wrong by them for simply religious reasons.

They are fully entitled to their beliefs, and I'm fully entitled to disagree with it.

iDave · 07-11-2013 12:43PM

gobnaitolunacy wrote: »

Thought the Scandy countries would be too cold, grey and depressing for them.

Yeah but theres attractive women that need covering up.

Xeyn · 07-11-2013 12:46PM

Yeah because a spot vote in a conference is truly a representative of the average Muslim and that one aspect on punishment for violation of a religious law is truly 'the basis' of their culture.

BobbyPropane · 07-11-2013 12:48PM

Xeyn wrote: »

Yeah because a spot vote in a conference is truly a representative of the average Muslim and that one aspect on punishment for violation of a religious law is truly 'the basis' of their culture.

So you're ok with stoning in the culture? Nearly everyone there put their hands up in favour of it at a PEACE conference. These conferences don't exactly attract the radical ones in the religion.

Hande hoche! · 07-11-2013 12:48PM

I might as well mention magdalene laundries and get it over with.

Xeyn · 07-11-2013 12:52PM

BobbyPropane wrote: »

So you're ok with stoning in the culture? Nearly everyone there put their hands up in favour of it at a PEACE conference. These conferences don't exactly attract the radical ones in the religion.

Again youre taking one aspect and saying that's how we should judge an entire religion which is completely insane.
If we applied your rule for acceptable xenophobia we should kick anyone who believes in anything out of the country

BobbyPropane · 07-11-2013 01:01PM

Xeyn wrote: »

Again youre taking one aspect and saying that's how we should judge an entire religion which is completely insane.
If we applied your rule for acceptable xenophobia we should kick anyone who believes in anything out of the country

I'm not, as I said if this was to be a continuous trend then I would be worried but seriously I advise you to look at the impact of immigration (particularly muslims) in Sweden.

This is cliched but I have muslim friends and they are tolerant so I know it is not the case to generalise, but groups like those do exist and are worrying.

Also what they speak about is worse than Magdalene laundries

Ush1 · 07-11-2013 01:08PM

Xeyn wrote: »

Again youre taking one aspect and saying that's how we should judge an entire religion which is completely insane.
If we applied your rule for acceptable xenophobia we should kick anyone who believes in anything out of the country

So should we just ignore the bits about stoning and apostasy?

iDave · 07-11-2013 01:19PM

Ush1 wrote: »

So should we just ignore the bits about stoning and apostasy?

Yes we should because if we don't WE are the intolerant ones :rolleyes:

Xeyn · 07-11-2013 01:32PM

So we shouldn't welcome Christians then? After all the bible endorses stoning for a lot more trivial crimes.

Xenophobia is truly well and alive it seems. Let's all go judging entire groups of people on beliefs, beliefs which they happy to live without even if they believe in alternative laws.

hansfrei · 07-11-2013 01:35PM

The sister of one of the three people who were stabbed by a Muslim on a bus recently have asked for tolerance. Can't say I'd be so forgiving.

FTA69 · 07-11-2013 01:41PM

The fella in question is a radical religious bigot and his organisation isn't much better. This was an event hosted by his group and clearly had an agenda to begin with; at the end of the day he was preaching to his own supporters, hardly a representation of all Muslims. The fact that there are a large number of young men who are adopting this viewpoint is certainly worrying; but it shouldn't be taken as an example that "they're all like that."

Ush1 · 07-11-2013 01:49PM

Xeyn wrote: »

So we shouldn't welcome Christians then? After all the bible endorses stoning for a lot more trivial crimes.

Xenophobia is truly well and alive it seems. Let's all go judging entire groups of people on beliefs, beliefs which they happy to live without even if they believe in alternative laws.

I will make judgements on people who believe things I find reprehensible and they find perfectly fine, be they Christian, Muslim or otherwise. That's human nature.

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 07-11-2013 02:39PM

hansfrei wrote: »

The sister of one of the three people who were stabbed by a Muslim on a bus recently have asked for tolerance. Can't say I'd be so forgiving.

I wasn't aware of any evidence that this guy stabbed people because of his religion, if you have any such evidence can you link it.
I mean, unfortunately people get stabbed in Ireland every week, we don't automatically ascribe religious motivations to those actions.

General General · 07-11-2013 02:43PM

Look, Islam is a religion of peace... every single stone is thrown peacefully with peace as the end goal.

hansfrei · 07-11-2013 02:43PM

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

I wasn't aware of any evidence that this guy stabbed people because of his religion, if you have any such evidence can you link it.
I mean, unfortunately people get stabbed in Ireland every week, we don't automatically ascribe religious motivations to those actions.

You said that I said that he stabbed people because of his religeon. Its you who needs to back things up.

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 07-11-2013 02:46PM

hansfrei wrote: »

You said that I said that he stabbed people because of his religeon. Its you who needs to back things up.

No, you brought his religion into this, you posted it to up the tempo.

biko · 07-11-2013 02:49PM

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

I wasn't aware of any evidence that this guy stabbed people because of his religion, if you have any such evidence can you link it.

Yeah I don't think he did it for religious reasons.

It seems to be unclear what his reasons were. He was an asylum seeker from South Sudan and was reject for asylum by the gov of Norway. He was supposed to be deported the next day.
The victims included the Norwegian bus driver and a Swedish passenger, both in their 50s, and a 19-year-old Norwegian woman (the only other people on the bus). http://www.thelocal.no/20131104/three-killed-in-norway-bus-hi-jack

On topic, Sweden now allows muslim call to prayer from their mosque minarets and there is talk of making muslim religious holidays mandatory.
Muslims account for approx 5% (give or take, no-one knows exactly) of the population in Sweden.
In 1930 the muslim population was 15 people

http://www.thelocal.se/20110502/33520

Systemic Risk · 07-11-2013 02:52PM

I am actually really surprised by that video. I really thought that the majority of Muslims who live in western society would be against stoning for things like adultery or homosexuality. I usually avoid religious conversations with very religious people to avoid falling out with them so I don't really know the views of any of the people I am friendly with who are Muslims. I find it very hard to believe that they would be in favour of such punishments for things such as adultery.

Anyway however primitive or backwards we think these "punishments" are, as long as they are not practised in Europe then these people are doing nothing wrong. They are entitled to their opinions as long as they obey the law of the land. For the record I find these practices horrible and primitive...hence the reason I don't discuss religious matters with people (of any faith) who are very religious.

hansfrei · 07-11-2013 02:54PM

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

No, you brought his religion into this, you posted it to up the tempo.

What are you on about?

The news have been covering the story, they trying to up the tempo too? This another conspiracy theory? Care to back up your claim?

He was due to be sent back.

BobbyPropane · 07-11-2013 02:57PM

Apparently 90% of all rapes in Norway are committed by Muslims while in Sweden it stands at 48%

Other things I have seen reported in Swedish newspapers is employers looking to hire only immigrants

Two interesting screenshots, obviously doesn't paint the whole picture and I'm perhaps being biased in only showing anti-islam but still these are real so..:

cletus van damme · 07-11-2013 03:05PM

I am very angry about the attitudes in this thread. How dare posters even think that the glorious Scandinavian model is less than brilliant?

What model am I talking about - the model where everything in Ireland is held up to ridicule cos the Scandinavians do it better.

everything is super over there and never question it.

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 07-11-2013 03:12PM

hansfrei wrote: »

What are you on about?

The news have been covering the story, they trying to up the tempo too? This another conspiracy theory? Care to back up your claim?

He was due to be sent back.

You know what I'm on about alright.
Thread on Muslims in Scandinavia and your first post is how a Muslim stabbed 3 people to death, clear intent to imply rampant Muslim violence, else why post it.
Also clear fail.

crockholm · 07-11-2013 03:15PM

There is an Imam formerly of the central mosque in Stockholm who is in a spot of bother for supplying arms to the "rebels" in Syria.

suicide_circus · 07-11-2013 03:16PM

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/7f/7f478233c71b493c8a071dd88dbd2c5babeb68a648199374ca54fb24e241ab05.jpg

BobbyPropane · 07-11-2013 03:18PM

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

You know what I'm on about alright.
Thread on Muslims in Scandinavia and your first post is how a Muslim stabbed 3 people to death, clear intent to imply rampant Muslim violence, else why post it.
Also clear fail.

It was wrong of him to say that man went crazy because of Islam.

Here is some violence in Sweden caused by muslims though:

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2013/05/violent-muslim-riots-continue-for-sixth-straight-day-in-sweden-spreading-beyond-capital.html

http://rt.com/news/stockholm-violence-outbreak-fires-671/

http://observers.france24.com/content/20130820-swedish-women-headscarves-attack-muslim

"We don't want to integrate"

hansfrei · 07-11-2013 03:23PM

BobbyPropane wrote: »

It was wrong of him to say that man went crazy because of Islam.

Here is some violence in Sweden caused by muslims though:

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2013/05/violent-muslim-riots-continue-for-sixth-straight-day-in-sweden-spreading-beyond-capital.html

http://rt.com/news/stockholm-violence-outbreak-fires-671/

http://observers.france24.com/content/20130820-swedish-women-headscarves-attack-muslim

"We don't want to integrate"

If you're refering to me that would be defamation. I have said nothing like that.

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