Drogheda city status

timthumbni · 03-11-2013 10:52PM

FTA69 wrote: »

Kilkenny is a "city" because someone said it was in the 1600s. Technicalities aside, a city (in accepted vernacular terms) is generally taken to be a large urban area. When you talk about "city living" I doubt you'd be referring to living in Newry.

Nor fecking lisburn Ffs. It had to be one unionist, one nationalist small town to get the royal assent for city status. It's a joke. I don't even know why it's a big deal for them. Maybe they get a bigger grant if they are a city.

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 03-11-2013 10:59PM

DBB wrote: »

Luciano's eh?
I'll see your Luciano's, and raise you a Thee Place!

*morto*

I was a barman in Thee Place too!

*takes his embarrassed face and heads for the door*

road_high · 03-11-2013 11:01PM

timthumbni wrote: »

Nor fecking lisburn Ffs. It had to be one unionist, one nationalist small town to get the royal assent for city status. It's a joke. I don't even know why it's a big deal for them. Maybe they get a bigger grant if they are a city.

Kilkenny is very nice though, has a bit of class about it, Lisburn and Newry are hell-holes. Was in Newry for the first time a few years and shocked that this was the place people were going to shop. Grotty, run-down with boarded buildings eveywhere. That's before you even get to the people there.

Paddyfield · 03-11-2013 11:22PM

Bog Standard User wrote: »

something i never knew until now..

Quick. Change the name of Carlow to Monte Carlow.

Paddyfield · 03-11-2013 11:28PM

OneArt wrote: »

Regardless of whether it gets it or not, I'll never call Drogheda a city. It's a f*cking town. Most of Ireland is full of towns. Apart from Dublin, Cork and Limerick there's just no "city feel" to places like Newry or Galway or even Drogheda. Maybe they could've been cities during the Middle Ages, but in modern terms they're just not.

The population of Galway city is 75k and the population of Limerick is 57k according to the last census http://www.cso.ie/en/statistics/population/populationofeachprovincecountyandcity2011/

timthumbni · 03-11-2013 11:32PM

road_high wrote: »

Kilkenny is very nice though, has a bit of class about it, Lisburn and Newry are hell-holes. Was in Newry for the first time a few years and shocked that this was the place people were going to shop. Grotty, run-down with boarded buildings eveywhere. That's before you even get to the people there.

I'm not slagging newry on its own btw. Next thing Grimsby will awarded city status. Lisburn is not a city either btw. Why do these mediocre towns even want to project themselves as something they are not. Weird!

Paddyfield · 03-11-2013 11:34PM

Deleted User wrote: »

(don't get me wrong, Drogheda, as a whole, is a nice place with a lot going for it. .

Don't you man "...Drogheda, as a hole..." ?

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo · 04-11-2013 12:34AM

losthorizon wrote: »

Kilkenny is actually a borough and is allowed to use the term city City for Ceremonial and tourism purposes.

Someone actually mentioned Cork but Cork Citys population actually went down in the last census but in reality the whole city grew as the City and County boundary are right in the suburbs. Indeed a lot of Cork City would not be regarded as being in Cork City crazy as that seems. Even Cork County Hall is in the suburbs of Cork City and not in a county town. You never leave urban sprawl to get to it.

That's the thing with Cork 'City'; Glanmire, Little Island, Ballincollig ect. aren't included in the population of the 'City' itself yet it's all part of the same economic and social area. It's all part of the same urban sprawl.

I'm going to get shot down for this as there is a strong anti Cork bias on Boards in general (which I like btw) but the greater Cork area has between 274,000 and 409,000 people depending on how many of its suburbs and satellite towns you are to include. Here's a link to it. The furthest town is Midleton by this calculation which is about 20km from the City centre so that's quite debatable in it's inclusion as 'part of the City', but you also can't just count some parts of the 'City' and include other parts inside the urban area as the 'county' which is currently done by many.

The main point though is, that Cork actually has a comparative population to any medium sized UK city.

NoCrackHaving · 04-11-2013 12:44AM

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

That's the thing with Cork 'City'; Glanmire, Little Island, Ballincollig ect. aren't included in the population of the 'City' itself yet it's all part of the same economic and social area. It's all part of the same urban sprawl.

I'm going to get shot down for this as there is a strong anti Cork bias on Boards in general (which I like btw) but the greater Cork area has between 274,000 and 409,000 people depending on how many of its suburbs and satellite towns you are to include. Here's a link to it. The furthest town is Midleton by this calculation which is about 20km from the City centre so that's quite debatable in it's inclusion as 'part of the City', but you also can't just count some parts of the 'City' and include other parts inside the urban area as the 'county' which is currently done by many.

The main point though is, that Cork actually has a comparative population to any medium sized UK city.

Attempting to define city 'limit's is always a matter of contention. I remember a thread a while back where someone was claiming the population of Dublin only included the people living in Dublin City Council's area and excluded Fingal, DL-RD and South Dublin, clearly a ridiculous idea. As far as I'm concerned the population of any city should be based on it's 'urban area' or total extent of its sprawl rather than just some arbitrary city boundary line. Hence, Bray, Leixlip and Celbridge should really be included in the population of Dublin.

Regards Cork, saying Ballincollig isn't part of the 'city' is the same as saying Tallaght or Castleknock or Dun Laoghaire aren't part of Dublin. Middleton is a bit too far though.

Mal-Adjusted · 04-11-2013 01:48AM

The same can be said for Galway and Oranmore. Very close together and it's all urban sprawl between them.

policarp · 04-11-2013 02:17AM

I'll bet Ennis will be a city soon.

Mal-Adjusted · 04-11-2013 02:23AM

policarp wrote: »

I'll bet Ennis will be a city soon.

ha. Even though it's about the same size of Sligo (who are also looking for city status), Ennis is wedged half way between Galway and Limerick (and even at that, it has Shannon, a town of about 9,000 between itself and Limerick. I know you were joking, but it'll never happen.

yizorselves · 04-11-2013 02:26AM

A guy in work hates Drogheda. Says he wishes Cromwell flattened the place completely, funny to hear him go on about it

April O Neill · 04-11-2013 05:39AM

OneArt wrote: »

Apart from Dublin, Cork and Limerick there's just no "city feel" to places like Newry or Galway or even Drogheda.

This.

Cork and Dublin feel like cites. Galway does not.

No experience of the others.

MadsL · 04-11-2013 05:55AM

Arawn wrote: »

Kilkenny gets it because it was the nations first capital

Ireland was a 'nation' in 1383? That's news.

04-11-2013 08:30AM

Eh no sorry lads, it's takes less than 10 mins to drive from one side of drogheda to the other. Try that in paris !

I wouldn't even call dublin a city, just a bigger town.

Belfast sure but thats it.

BrensBenz · 04-11-2013 10:10AM

Drawda? A city??? We won't be able to say "we're goin' down down to Drawda Town" any more! Before becoming entrenched in my views, I have a few questions / suggestions:

Will it be a Lowid city or a Meeyid city?
Wouldn't Dundawk or Nyaaaaaaaaavn have first dibs on city status?
Isn't it time fuh Drawda to decide, once and for all, what county they're actually in? Maybe move the River Bine to deh norh or deh sowh of Drawda(?). If it went norh, we could submerge Termonfeckin; if sowh, we could get rid of Behhystown.

You're welcome.

markpb · 04-11-2013 10:52AM

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

I wouldn't even call dublin a city, just a bigger town.

Belfast sure but thats it.

That makes no sense. Belfast is a fraction of the size of Dublin!

04-11-2013 10:53AM

markpb wrote: »

That makes no sense. Belfast is a fraction of the size of Dublin!

That's cos belfast is a city and dublin is a County.

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 04-11-2013 11:51AM

Interesting piece here on it from a local Newspaper
http://www.independent.ie/regionals/droghedaindependent/news/population-of-drogheda-far-greater-than-waterford-city-27163868.html

CHealy · 04-11-2013 01:45PM

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

That's the thing with Cork 'City'; Glanmire, Little Island, Ballincollig ect. aren't included in the population of the 'City' itself yet it's all part of the same economic and social area. It's all part of the same urban sprawl.

I'm going to get shot down for this as there is a strong anti Cork bias on Boards in general (which I like btw) but the greater Cork area has between 274,000 and 409,000 people depending on how many of its suburbs and satellite towns you are to include. Here's a link to it. The furthest town is Midleton by this calculation which is about 20km from the City centre so that's quite debatable in it's inclusion as 'part of the City', but you also can't just count some parts of the 'City' and include other parts inside the urban area as the 'county' which is currently done by many.

The main point though is, that Cork actually has a comparative population to any medium sized UK city.

Theres actually people constantly fighting to have the city border extended to include the true urban population of Cork (approx. 250,000), but the backward folk of the county are dead set against it. I'd imagine its the same in Limerick, no way is Limerick just 57,000 people, its at least double that.

anncoates · 04-11-2013 01:50PM

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

That's cos belfast is a city and dublin is a County.

So what?

Even if you consider the respective catchment/urban areas, Dublin is still over twice the size of Belfast.

They are both capital cities: respective centres of industry, culture and education.

Searching around for nit-picking criteria to qualify small towns as cities is cringe worthy.

Castlebar12 · 04-11-2013 09:52PM

Arawn wrote: »

Kilkenny gets it because it was the nations first capital

Could Tara not be considered the first capital?

galwayrush · 04-11-2013 09:57PM

What is a City suppost to 'feel ' like?

Castlebar12 · 04-11-2013 09:59PM

Bog Standard User wrote: »

List

This list includes places which have at some time had a legally-recognised claim to the title "city". Informally the term may have been applied to other places or at other times.

Current Cities

Name Gained status Method of granting Jurisdiction granting Present jurisdiction

Dublin 1172 royal charter[6] Lordship of Ireland Republic of Ireland
Cork 1185 royal charter[118] Lordship of Ireland Republic of Ireland
Limerick 1199 royal charter[119] Lordship of Ireland Republic of Ireland
Waterford 1206 royal charter[120] Lordship of Ireland Republic of Ireland
Kilkenny 1383 royal charter[121] Lordship of Ireland Republic of Ireland
Derry 1604 royal charter[122] Kingdom of Ireland Northern Ireland
Belfast 1888 letters patent[45] United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland Northern Ireland
Galway 1985 Act of the Oireachtas Republic of Ireland Republic of Ireland
Armagh 1994 letters patent[52] United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland Northern Ireland
Newry 2002 letters patent[55] United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland Northern Ireland
Lisburn 2002 letters patent[55] United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland Northern Ireland

Former Cities

Name Gained status Method of granting Jurisdiction granting Lost status Present jurisdiction
Armagh (1st time) By 1226[52] prescription[52] Lordship of Ireland 1840 Northern Ireland
Downpatrick ("Down") By 1403[14] Lordship of Ireland By 1661[14] Northern Ireland
Clogher Lordship of Ireland 1801[123] Northern Ireland
Cashel 1638 royal charter[124] Kingdom of Ireland 1840 Republic of Ireland

I think Castlebar actually has a claim to city status as in 1798 when Humbert declared The Irish republic (more commonly known as Republic Of Connacht) after freeing most of Connacht for a short time Castlebar was the capital. Which even though it lasted only 12 days, makes it Irelands 12 day capital.

Amirani · 04-11-2013 10:00PM

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

That's cos belfast is a city and dublin is a County.

You don't really seem to get the concept of what a city is. I suppose London is only 1 square km yeah?

Fingal, South Dublin, Dublin City and Dun Laoighaire Rathdown are pretty much the exact same as Westminster, Southwark, Camden and Hackney.

Meath, Louth, Wicklow, Kildare. are equivalent to Ealing, Croyden, Harrow and Hounslow.

Castlebar12 · 04-11-2013 10:01PM

Calvin and Hobbes wrote: »

Should Dundalk not get a City Status before Drogheda

You could say yes because it is less of a commuter town but it does have a smaller population

Calvin and Hobbes · 04-11-2013 10:02PM

galwayrush wrote: »

What is a City suppost to 'feel ' like?

You can go out every night of the week.

dundalkfc10 · 04-11-2013 10:05PM

Castlebar12 wrote: »

You could say yes because it is less of a commuter town but it does have a smaller population

Dundalk is the largest town in Ireland with a population in 2011 of 37,816 and is also the largest by area

Castlebar12 · 04-11-2013 10:07PM

losthorizon wrote: »

Kilkenny is actually a borough and is allowed to use the term city City for Ceremonial and tourism purposes.

Someone actually mentioned Cork but Cork Citys population actually went down in the last census but in reality the whole city grew as the City and County boundary are right in the suburbs. Indeed a lot of Cork City would not be regarded as being in Cork City crazy as that seems. Even Cork County Hall is in the suburbs of Cork City and not in a county town. You never leave urban sprawl to get to it.

Castlebar is very much the same probably the largest residential are along with McHale park lidl the industrial estate are all legally in Breaffy and not counted in Castlebar population

Drogheda city status

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