Drogheda city status

Castlebar12

How are the people of Drogheda campaigning ? What benefits are they looking for? Is it possible they could succeed and become Drogheda city?

Santa Cruz

Take a trip up the road and see the difference it made for Newry

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

It's just a shit Dublin suburb.

Jimoslimos

Swords has a greater population

micar

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

It's just a shit Dublin suburb.

what does that make Swords and Balbrigan?

As a person from Drogheda, which offends me more, drogheda being described as "sh1t" or a "dublin suburb"?

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

It's just a shit Dublin suburb.

It's not a Dublin suburb.

Frosty McSnowballs

micar wrote: »

what does that make Swords and Balbrigan?

As a person from Drogheda, which offends me more, drogheda being described as "sh1t" or a "dublin suburb"?

Yeah but come on......you guys have Ballsgrove!

micar

Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »

Yeah but come on......you guys have Ballsgrove!

and Moneymore!!!!!

Mal-Adjusted

according to the all-knowing Google, there's 52Km between the two so it's a bit unfair to say it's a suburb of Dublin. Having said that, it's also a bit close when considering giving it city Status.

wazky

Well if Kilkenny can be a city, anywhere can.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

micar wrote: »

what does that make Swords and Balbrigan?

As a person from Drogheda, which offends me more, drogheda being described as "sh1t" or a "dublin suburb"?

It's like Bray, it ain't in Dublin county but it's still a shit Dublin suburb.

That's just the way it is.

I'm sorry it's me who has had to inform you of this.

wazky

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

It's like Bray, it ain't in Dublin county but it's still a shit Dublin suburb.

That's just the way it is.

I'm sorry it's me who has had to inform you of this.

Very true except for the small detail of Bray being in Wicklow of course.

Frosty McSnowballs

micar wrote: »

and Moneymore!!!!!

Aw jaysis! :pac:

Jimoslimos

Johnny Electricity wrote: »

It's not a Dublin suburb.

As evidenced by all those empty trains, buses and cars leading out of Drogheda every morning.

If more people leave than enter during normal working hours then it's a commuter belt suburb of a larger urban area.

anncoates

micar wrote: »

what does that make Swords and Balbrigan?

Shi tter Dublin suburbs?

Arawn

wazky wrote: »

Well if Kilkenny can be a city, anywhere can.

Kilkenny gets it because it was the nations first capital

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

wazky wrote: »

Very true except for the small detail of Bray being in Wicklow of course.

I know, that's why I said that despite Bray (Wicklow), same as Drogheda (Louth) not being in Dublin county from a GAA perspective, it is economically and socially a shit Dublin suburb.

BMJD

When they learn how to speak properly, we can discuss this matter.

Frosty McSnowballs

BMJD wrote: »

When they learn how to speak properly, we can discuss this matter.

Eh excuse you!

People from Dwogeda spoke proper England they does, haaay.

FTA69

I can never understand why some people are so vociferous in declaring the likes of Newry, Kilkenny or Armagh "cities". They aren't f*cking cities, they're large county towns. Cork would barely qualify as a city in my eyes, never mind Drogheda.

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »

Eh excuse you!

People from Dwogeda spoke proper England they does, haaay.

Wut?

Hay at the end of a sentence is ardee. Had you have said fo'teen now...

And its pronounced Drawda!

Annasopra

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

I know, that's why I said that despite Bray (Wicklow), same as Drogheda (Louth) not being in Dublin county from a GAA perspective, it is economically and socially a shit Dublin suburb.

Geographically and politically though - its not

Frosty McSnowballs

Johnny Electricity wrote: »

Wut?

Hay at the end of a sentence is ardee. Had you have said fo'teen now...

And its pronounced Drawda!

Aaaah, il never blend in!

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »

Aaaah, il never blend in!

Not like that you won't. I'll meet ya in mcphails for a few scoops and we'll get a batter buurger after if ye want lessons

Mal-Adjusted

FTA69 wrote: »

I can never understand why some people are so vociferous in declaring the likes of Newry, Kilkenny or Armagh "cities". They aren't f*cking cities, they're large county towns. Cork would barely qualify as a city in my eyes, never mind Drogheda.

neither your eyes now mine really count though, in attributing city status on somewhere.

Frosty McSnowballs

Johnny Electricity wrote: »

Not like that you won't. I'll meet ya in mcphails for a few scoops and we'll get a batter buurger after if ye want lessons

Heh McPhails! Bring back Reds, that's what I say! Can we go d'Earth after?

Sir Humphrey Appleby

FTA69 wrote: »

I can never understand why some people are so vociferous in declaring the likes of Newry, Kilkenny or Armagh "cities". They aren't f*cking cities, they're large county towns. Cork would barely qualify as a city in my eyes, never mind Drogheda.

Kilkenny IS a City
Newry IS a City
Armagh IS a City.

Citydom was never based on population size.

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »

Heh McPhails! Bring back Reds, that's what I say! Can we go d'Earth after?

Redz*

No, it's sunday. Were going de stoorm

Sir Humphrey Appleby

Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »

Heh McPhails! Bring back Reds, that's what I say! Can we go d'Earth after?

Showing your age there SFP:P

Sir Humphrey Appleby

Johnny Electricity wrote: »

Redz*

No, it's sunday. Were going de stoorm

Bring back Goodfellows:D:D:D

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

Showing your age there SFP:P

Not really

It's not gone all that long.

BMJD

Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »

Eh excuse you!

People from Dwogeda spoke proper England they does, haaay.

pwappa*

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

Bring back Goodfellows:D:D:D

Who's showing their age?!

Frosty McSnowballs

Johnny Electricity wrote: »

Redz*

No, it's sunday. Were going de stoorm

Storms ****e....I'm going the Laurence's instead!

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

Showing your age there SFP:P

Oops, yep that closed aaaages ago didn't it! 'twas a good spot though!

FTA69

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

Kilkenny IS a City
Newry IS a City
Armagh IS a City.

Citydom was never based on population size.

Kilkenny is a "city" because someone said it was in the 1600s. Technicalities aside, a city (in accepted vernacular terms) is generally taken to be a large urban area. When you talk about "city living" I doubt you'd be referring to living in Newry.

Bog Standard User

FTA69 wrote: »

I can never understand why some people are so vociferous in declaring the likes of Newry, Kilkenny or Armagh "cities". They aren't f*cking cities, they're large county towns. Cork would barely qualify as a city in my eyes, never mind Drogheda.

List

This list includes places which have at some time had a legally-recognised claim to the title "city". Informally the term may have been applied to other places or at other times.

Current Cities



Name Gained status Method of granting Jurisdiction granting Present jurisdiction

Dublin 1172 royal charter[6] Lordship of Ireland Republic of Ireland
Cork 1185 royal charter[118] Lordship of Ireland Republic of Ireland
Limerick 1199 royal charter[119] Lordship of Ireland Republic of Ireland
Waterford 1206 royal charter[120] Lordship of Ireland Republic of Ireland
Kilkenny 1383 royal charter[121] Lordship of Ireland Republic of Ireland
Derry 1604 royal charter[122] Kingdom of Ireland Northern Ireland
Belfast 1888 letters patent[45] United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland Northern Ireland
Galway 1985 Act of the Oireachtas Republic of Ireland Republic of Ireland
Armagh 1994 letters patent[52] United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland Northern Ireland
Newry 2002 letters patent[55] United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland Northern Ireland
Lisburn 2002 letters patent[55] United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland Northern Ireland

Former Cities

Name Gained status Method of granting Jurisdiction granting Lost status Present jurisdiction
Armagh (1st time) By 1226[52] prescription[52] Lordship of Ireland 1840 Northern Ireland
Downpatrick ("Down") By 1403[14] Lordship of Ireland By 1661[14] Northern Ireland
Clogher Lordship of Ireland 1801[123] Northern Ireland
Cashel 1638 royal charter[124] Kingdom of Ireland 1840 Republic of Ireland

Mal-Adjusted

Ha! I knew Cashel used to be a city at some point! them feckers at the pub quiz screwed me over!

Cienciano

I have a sudden craving for a staa baa.

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

Cienciano wrote: »

I have a sudden craving for a staa baa.

You can get dem in de shop above in ma park

BMJD

Cienciano wrote: »

I have a sudden craving for a staa baa.

pwafair mas bas meself

Bog Standard User

something i never knew until now..

wikipedia wrote:

Carlow (Irish: Ceatharlach) is the county town of County Carlow in Ireland. It is situated in the south-east of Ireland, 84 km from Dublin. County Carlow is the second smallest county in Ireland by area, however Carlow Town is the 14th largest urban area in Ireland by population according to the 2011 census with a population of 23,030.[1] The River Barrow flows through the town, and forms the historic boundary between counties Laois and Carlow: the Local Government (Ireland) Act 1898 included the town entirely in County Carlow. The settlement of Carlow is thousands of years old and pre-dates written Irish history. The town has played a major role in Irish history, serving as the capital of the country in the 14th century. It was voted the cleanest town in Ireland by Irish Business Against Litter (IBAL) in 2010.



Carlow Castle was constructed by William Marshal, Earl of Striguil and Lord of Leinster, c1207-13, to guard the vital river crossing. It was also to serve as the capital of the Lordship of Ireland from 1361 until 1374.

Hello_MrFox

wazky wrote: »

Well if Kilkenny can be a city, anywhere can.

Same can be said for Waterford.

NoCrackHaving

There actually is no accepted definition of what is a city and what isn't, in Ireland or elsewhere.

Usually in Ireland it related to having a cathedral I think. However, history aside to claim that Kilkenny or Newry are cities in what we commonly think of is just plain ridiculous. To be fair, even Galway and Waterford are bordering on the dodgy.

Calvin and Hobbes

Should Dundalk not get a City Status before Drogheda

DK man

Would yella batta be in the city centa or de subooorbs?

I'm sorry but drogheda just doesn't do it for me. It shud b nice because of its hills and spires and boyne curling through the edge of the town

But I'm from dundalk so I am prejudiced

Sir Humphrey Appleby

DK man wrote: »

Would yella batta be in the city centa or de subooorbs?

I'm sorry but drogheda just doesn't do it for me. It shud b nice because of its hills and spires and boyne curling through the edge of the town

But I'm from dundalk Ndwaaaahhk so I am prejudiced

FYP:D

Sir Humphrey Appleby

Johnny Electricity wrote: »

Who's showing their age?!

Jebus, I worked there in the 90's, in the 80's I worked in the Central and the Europa.
Anyone remember Lucianos?:D

OneArt

Regardless of whether it gets it or not, I'll never call Drogheda a city. It's a f*cking town. Most of Ireland is full of towns. Apart from Dublin, Cork and Limerick there's just no "city feel" to places like Newry or Galway or even Drogheda. Maybe they could've been cities during the Middle Ages, but in modern terms they're just not.

micar

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

Jebus, I worked there in the 90's, in the 80's I worked in the Central and the Europa.
Anyone remember Lucianos?:D

Lucianos!!!!!!!!!!! that's a long time ago.

The brother of my first girldfriend was a DJ (DJ Sonic) and he played there. He was into all this sh1te dance music. It was also empty. Worst night ever!!!!!.
Also my first time to see people dropping e.

I also remember being taken out of school by my dad to go up there to watch Ireland matches

COYVB

Mal-Adjusted wrote: »

according to the all-knowing Google, there's 52Km between the two so it's a bit unfair to say it's a suburb of Dublin. Having said that, it's also a bit close when considering giving it city Status.

Drogheda is also 2 counties away from Dublin

As someone living in Drogheda all my life, I have no idea where this whole silly 'city status' nonsense came from. Never was, isn't, and likely never will be, a city in any respect (other than by name if they manage to win that one over).

It's a small town full of empty retail premises and two retail parks that are both at least a ten minute drive away from the centre of the town.

It has restaurants and cafes by the bucket load, a well-manned Garda station and a few historical sites dotted around (that aren't that great in the grand scheme of things in fairness) but not a lot of anything else. Day to day life has very little social activity for adults (though to be fair, the Funtasia place and Rathmullen Leisure Park are both good to have in the town).

Dundalk is much the same in my opinion, but them having DKIT would make me christen them a City before Drogheda.


In my opinion though, city status should be based on the everyday 'feel' of the location. Dublin feels like a city. Drogheda feels like it has never recovered from poor 'pedestrianisation' plans nearly ten years ago.

(don't get me wrong, Drogheda, as a whole, is a nice place with a lot going for it. You could do a hell of a lot worse, and given the option, I think I'd rather live here than many other places in the country. However - It's not a city and shouldn't be. This whole city thing should've been knocked on the head long ago).