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Teachers not up to it?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,045 ✭✭✭✭gramar


    that's it?

    ...weatherman says it's going to rain tomorrow.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,094 ✭✭✭wretcheddomain


    Hitchens wrote: »
    report says the standard of Maths and Irish teaching is poor

    English grammar could be improved as well it seems.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,712 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    For maths I blame the over use of calculators.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    Can we just add more bonus points? That worked for maths right?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    YFlyer wrote: »
    For maths I blame the over use of calculators.

    You don't do maths do you?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,712 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    You don't do maths do you?

    PhD in chemistry.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,023 ✭✭✭shedweller


    YFlyer wrote: »
    For maths I blame the over use of calculators.
    Correct as hell! My kids are doing "mental maths" in school and it seems to work well. When they go to secondary things could be different though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 174 ✭✭BlurstMonkey


    YFlyer wrote: »
    PhD in chemistry.

    You're not a pilot?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,063 ✭✭✭Greenmachine


    For Maths in the LC I had an atrocious teacher, because I did not perform as well as I should have. The teacher completely lacked motivation and was poor at explaining thing, to the point of me explaining some questions to him. I don't know if this teacher was always bad at his job or was just sick of it. I think if teachers had more supports this would be less likely to happen. On the other hand the maths teacher had for the JC was brilliant, my poor performance in that instance was due to a lack of self study.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    YFlyer wrote: »
    PhD in chemistry.

    I presume you got plenty of use of your calculator so.

    I see your point to be fair, I had wrongly assumed you were one of the "calculators are evil" crew (there was someone on here recently saying calculators shouldn't be used at third-level). I think most people will agree that there's no place for calculators at primary level. One would expect though that basic numeracy skills are well enough developed by second-level to allow the use of calculators that become necessary for more advanced topics?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭Czarcasm


    YFlyer wrote: »
    For maths I blame the over use of calculators.


    Completely agree with this tbh. Calculators should be banned in primary schools. I see so many in a homework club I'm involved with the minute they have to tax their little brains at all, they start moaning for a calculator. They aren't taught math the same way we were in school either. I'd war there a couple of weeks back with my own young lad over what we used know as "carrying" units. Now they do a thing called "renaming".

    OP seems like a glass half empty kinda guy anyway. From the same report -

    However the report, from the Department of Education's Chief Inspector, finds that overall standards in primary and post-primary schools are good.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭Mint Aero


    Well in all my years in school, 3 teachers were good only two of whom had the social skills to actually teach. Everyone else, some 20 or so teachers were either sh*te, anti social, incompetent or lazy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,142 ✭✭✭Hitchens


    Czarcasm wrote: »

    OP seems like a glass half empty kinda guy anyway. From the same report -
    have a squint at the thread title............notice the ? ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    Hitchens wrote: »
    report says the standard of Maths and Irish teaching is poor

    We've got some of the best Irish teachers in the world surely?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,649 ✭✭✭Catari Jaguar


    Kids are stupider. All the information in the history of the world literally in their pockets on their phones and they still don't know who Anne Frank is or what Chechnya is. Teachers have some task ahead of them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,712 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    I presume you got plenty of use of your calculator so.

    I see your point to be fair, I had wrongly assumed you were one of the "calculators are evil" crew (there was someone on here recently saying calculators shouldn't be used at third-level). I think most people will agree that there's no place for calculators at primary level. One would expect though that basic numeracy skills are well enough developed by second-level to allow the use of calculators that become necessary for more advanced topics?

    I tutor in the Science Learning Centre in UL one day a week. The students would usually ask questions in relation to molecular mass, molarity and percentage yields. They would be using their calculator for the addition of two 2 digit numbers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    From what I remember when I was in secondary (about 8 years ago), the stuff you need to learn for higher (and even ordinary) level Irish is just... it's absurd. You need to either have an immense interest in it (as in trying to embrace yourself in it 24/7) or else be lucky and end up in an Irish school like myself.
    Even then they treat it like it's bloody English. You've got your short stories, poems, book to read, etc. It's not learning it for the sake of learning, it's learning it for the sake of rote learning.

    Maths just seemed to have thrown too much at me. I ended up ordinary level, though. AFAIK, the only kids who did reasonably well (say a B or better) at higher level were three... one of whom's older brother was a math teacher himself for secondary and the other two got grinds.

    I don't think its the students or teachers that are the issue as a whole. Just the amount of material in maths and secondly, the fact that they treat Irish like it's English (like it's your most commonly spoken language) is the problem.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭Czarcasm


    Hitchens wrote: »
    have a squint at the thread title............notice the ? ;)


    Yes, I noticed the "?", but the content of your post was entirely negative.

    "Students not up to it!" would've been a far more accurate title IMO.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,810 ✭✭✭✭evolving_doors


    And what about their summer holidays...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    Kids are stupider. All the information in the history of the world literally in their pockets on their phones and they still don't know who Anne Frank is or what Chechnya is. Teachers have some task ahead of them.

    Kids aren't stupider. The problem is a lot of stuff in secondary is just "learn as much as possible to copy it all down in the leaving/junior certs.
    Even then I was talking to someone who was 17 and told that you cannot use Wikipedia or Google. Not "use them as sources or cite them) but "don't use them at all". Wikipedia is one of the most useful tools on the internet.

    I remember I ended up using Google to help me with an essay or something. Ended up getting to Wikipedia and looked at it, looked at what Wikipedia cited and use those as sources.

    A lot of teachers have no clue about the use of the internet and assume it's just another form of cheating.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,649 ✭✭✭Catari Jaguar


    The Department of Education is poor. The inspectorate are poor. Ruairi Quinn is poor. The funding is dire. The left hand doesn't know what the right is doing in terms of newly "required" assessment/ planning. Even the payroll department are bloody useless and can't even get teachers on the correct scale. I would like a report on that useless overpaid git of a minister and his cronies. Smoke and mirrors. Blame the teachers. How original.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,649 ✭✭✭Catari Jaguar


    Wikipedia is one of the most useful tools on the internet.

    You cite Wiki in college essays yea? How'd that work for you...


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    You cite Wiki in college essays yea? How'd that work for you...

    That's not quite what he said. C3 on reading comprehension there. ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    You cite Wiki in college essays yea? How'd that work for you...

    No. I used Wikipedia for, I think it was... something to do with WW2. It was the Finnish fella, Simo_Häyhä
    Everyone was gonna end up doing one on the Nazis in France or Nazis against Russia so I remember reading about that fella. Looked him up on Wikipedia. Read it. Looked at what the sources said and got a leap from there.

    I wouldn't try to cite Wikipedia itself as a source... unless talking about something that's about Wikipedia, like its guidelines.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 12,561 Mod ✭✭✭✭byhookorbycrook


    "Standards of teaching and learning were satisfactory or better in the majority of lessons inspected. Confidential Parental Surveys show very high levels of satisfaction with schools -"

    See more at: http://www.education.ie/en/Press-Events/Press-Releases/2013-Press-Releases/PR13-11-04.html#sthash.aQfQLvIe.dpuf

    But hey, let's all bash all the teachers.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 12,561 Mod ✭✭✭✭byhookorbycrook


    "Inspectors noted the lack of opportunities for primary pupils to engage in the sort of collaborative working needed for effective problem-solving. "

    30 + kids in jam packed rooms, SNAs , resource teaching cut to the bone, no money to pay for things like heating without fundraising, never mind proper maths equipment. Would love to let some of these guys try their hand at it!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,390 ✭✭✭clairefontaine


    That RTE article is a bit on the anorexic side isn't it?

    No data, no scores, no charts,no tracking over time, not much to go on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Hitchens wrote: »
    report says the standard of Maths and Irish teaching is poor

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/1104/484535-teaching-schools-irish/

    Have you blamed immigrants yet?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,390 ✭✭✭clairefontaine


    I think its interesting that it's math and Irish.

    Was this applicable to both Irish and English speaking schools? The article doesnt even make that distinction. Gosh I think we should be more worried about the standards of journalism than the standards of Irish teaching.

    I know a couple of people who went to bi lingual schools in the US, who either were gifted in math or had difficulty and it went unnoticed because the bilingual education masked it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Don't care about Irish but id agree with the maths part. You come across a lot of science students in third level who simply don't understand basic things like standard deviation, indices, logarithmic scales, scientific notation etc.


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