32CSM?

harryr711 · 03-11-2013 02:14PM

pablomakaveli wrote: »

Since you seem to want to avoid the issue i'll just assume your condemnation of violence is disingenuous then.

I would of thought someone who condemns these groups wouldn't care less if these groups are grouped with common criminals.

You're some man to talk about condemning violence considering you joined the British Army :pac:

pablomakaveli · 03-11-2013 02:20PM

harryr711 wrote: »

You're some man to talk about condemning violence considering you joined the British Army :pac:

What relevance has that? Am I now banned from condemning violence because i'm a soldier?

Grow up.

harryr711 · 03-11-2013 02:32PM

pablomakaveli wrote: »

What relevance has that? Am I now banned from condemning violence because i'm a soldier?

Grow up.

Nobody said you're banned from condemning violence. It could be seen as odd or hypocritical though to condemn violence in some situations and yet be a member of an organisation that spreads violence around the world to protect British interests.

pablomakaveli · 03-11-2013 02:37PM

harryr711 wrote: »

Nobody said you're banned from condemning violence. It could be seen as odd or hypocritical though to condemn violence in some situations and yet be a member of an organisation that spreads violence around the world to protect British interests.

One's an official state army, the other a terrorist organization. It would be only hypocritical if the BA acted like the dissident groups but they don't. Besides if the BA ever did stuff like that i'd condemn them too.

COYW · 03-11-2013 02:39PM

Just another spoke of the republican movement. No real surprise when you hear about their involvement in drugs, protection rackets and so on. These kind of activities have been synonymous with Irish republicans for decades. Sooner or later they will upset the wrong drug gang and end up six foot under, just like Ryan. I won't shed any tears, once no genuinely innocent party is caught up in it.

Grayson · 03-11-2013 02:40PM

BMJD wrote: »

maybe they just want to sell papers and books?

Yes, ALL OF THEM are liars and exaggerators.

I don't trust something just because it's in a newspaper. I know how lazy some journos can be but it's idiocy to suggest that everyone reporting on this is exaggerating/lying just so they can sell a few more books. They're criminals who beat and kill people. Either way their lives are interesting enough to sell books.

harryr711 · 03-11-2013 02:41PM

pablomakaveli wrote: »

One's an official state army, the other a terrorist organization. It would be only hypocritical if the BA acted like the dissident groups but they don't. Besides if the BA ever did stuff like that i'd condemn them too.

Good thing the BA are squeaky clean then and haven't supplied arms to terrorist groups, killed civilians, trafficked heroin, etc.

wazky · 03-11-2013 02:46PM

How many actual Republicans are convicted drug dealers?

wicklowstevo · 03-11-2013 03:02PM

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

I dunno probably drug dealers, haven't they killed a load of them lately up north and forced them to leave?

Did the ira ever represent the nationalist movement?

just the ones who didn't pay up. any one who did is allowed work away. they are scum and should be treated as such,

the so called republican movement lost all creditability after the good Friday agreement.
now its lets all make as much money as we can any way we can.
I for one know a true son of erin a loyal solider of the cause who was able to build a mansion in Wicklow and buy a pub worth 186000 and pump another 10000 into it all on while he is on the dole !! I hope the nsa monitor this and call CAB

BMJD · 03-11-2013 03:34PM

wicklowstevo wrote: »

I for one know a true son of erin a loyal solider of the cause who was able to build a mansion in Wicklow and buy a pub worth 186000 and pump another 10000 into it all on while he is on the dole !! I hope the nsa monitor this and call CAB

knock yourself out:

CAB can be contacted at:

Chief Bureau Officer
Criminal Assets Bureau
Harcourt Square
Harcourt Street
Dublin 2

Tel: +353 1 6663266
Fax: +353 1 6663296
E-mail: info@cab.ie

FTA69 · 03-11-2013 03:38PM

The 32CSM and the Real IRA aren't mafia-like criminal conspiracies, however that doesn't mean there isn't a fairly hefty thuggish or criminal element within that grouping of people either, especially in the southern cities. While I've no doubt that most of their members are genuine about their beliefs (rightly or wrongly), I think it's a small bit disingenuous to suggest that that's the case across the board.

When they formed in 1997 the basic thinking of the group was inherently militaristic, i.e. an armed struggle waged by a clandestine group should be the priority tactic in perpetuity. Unfortunately when you adopt a "shoot first, ask questions later" type mentality it's easy to allow the calibre of your organisation to slip, something that happened pretty much straight away with the Real IRA in the late 90s and early 2000s. To this day the Real IRA's thinking operates along those lines, with a sort of token gesture toward the need to engage in actual working class politics in Ireland. Their militaristic thinking is now something along the lines of propaganda by the deed, i.e. jump out of the shadows and shoot a cop or a Brit every few years and hope it disturbs the political process. They have no coherent criticism or analysis about what's taking place in Ireland at the moment, never mind being in a position to suggest an alternative.

In my opinion their more unsavoury activities are locally-orientated but they have the effect of tarring the whole organisation and as was recently proved, if you go out to push on people who are armed to the teeth, they're going to shoot back at some stage. Personally I'm not convinced that the Ryan incident was a case of "anti-drugs activity" and was something else entirely. (As much as the 32s will disagree.)

To be honest the Real IRA and where they are now is an indictment on how physical force Republicanism offers nothing to Irish working people at present.

timthumbni · 03-11-2013 11:26PM

Just out of interst is anybody out there who is actually man enough to come out and support these type of cretins openly. I know I seem to see a few who skirt around the topic but let's face it, it is 2013.

No one even a rabid dissident Provo type can seriously think that a bombing/shooting campaign is going to work nowadays. Jaysus lads, get a grip of yourselves. The Brits out mantra is a bit crap tbh.

Cienciano · 03-11-2013 11:34PM

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

I dunno probably drug dealers, haven't they killed a load of them lately up north and forced them to leave?

Did they? Proof?

timthumbni · 03-11-2013 11:40PM

Cienciano wrote: »

Did they? Proof?

He doesn't support the dissidents, he just doesn't like anyone to say anything bad about them.

I suspect that I could say hitler has only got one ball and he would immediately be asking for proof. Weird if you ask me. Strange, very, very strange.

Cool_CM · 04-11-2013 12:22AM

Cienciano wrote: »

Did they? Proof?

Eh, they claim responsibility? They do in Cork anyway:

http://cork32.blogspot.ie/2010/11/32-csm-interview-with-cork-independent.html?m=1

timthumbni · 04-11-2013 12:25AM

Cool_CM wrote: »

Eh, they claim responsibility? They do in Cork anyway:

http://cork32.blogspot.ie/2010/11/32-csm-interview-with-cork-independent.html?m=1

Sound like a bunch of retards to me to be honest. Have they all got revolutionary beards by any chance?

Cienciano · 04-11-2013 12:34AM

Cool_CM wrote: »

Eh, they claim responsibility? They do in Cork anyway:

http://cork32.blogspot.ie/2010/11/32-csm-interview-with-cork-independent.html?m=1

Well, if independent newspapers doesn't count as a credible source, their own poxy website definitely doesn't!

Cool_CM · 04-11-2013 12:55AM

Cienciano wrote: »

Well, if independent newspapers doesn't count as a credible source, their own poxy website definitely doesn't!

They also have blog links to the newspaper coverage, I linked to this one as it is them basically saying that they are behind it. I also don't disagree with the statement that they are a bunch of deluded idiots.

Evelyn Cusack · 04-11-2013 12:58AM

Tiocfaidh ár lá

Cienciano · 04-11-2013 12:59AM

Cool_CM wrote: »

They also have blog links to the newspaper coverage, I linked to this one as it is them basically saying that they are behind it. I also don't disagree with the statement that they are a bunch of deluded idiots.

Well, the "meeja" doesn't count as a reliable source according to jacksparrow.
Its always the same with these folk, proof required for every little claim, but they can claim whatever they want themselves

Cool_CM · 04-11-2013 01:10AM

Cienciano wrote: »

Well, the "meeja" doesn't count as a reliable source according to jacksparrow.
Its always the same with these folk, proof required for every little claim, but they can claim whatever they want themselves

True. You also never hear them talking about what they would actually do if they ever did achieve a 32 country republic.

RDM_83 again · 04-11-2013 01:40AM

Cienciano wrote: »

Did they? Proof?

Well RAAD integrated with the RIRA (and probably had a load of overlapping members anyway) and they certainly were involved in a lot of anti-drugs activity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Action_Against_Drugs

What ever about in the South, in the North I don't see the dissidents as being majorly involved in the drugs game, do people really think that these people who were so strongly anti-drugs when members of the PIRA suddenly became ok with drug dealing after the Good Friday Agreement

Fuel laundering, Cig smuggling and extortion though I would believe!

Cienciano · 04-11-2013 02:05AM

RDM_83 again wrote: »

Well RAAD integrated with the RIRA (and probably had a load of overlapping members anyway) and they certainly were involved in a lot of anti-drugs activity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Action_Against_Drugs

What ever about in the South, in the North I don't see the dissidents as being majorly involved in the drugs game, do people really think that these people who were so strongly anti-drugs when members of the PIRA suddenly became ok with drug dealing after the Good Friday Agreement

Fuel laundering, Cig smuggling and extortion though I would believe!

Ah, wikipedia. Where anyone can go in and write whatever they want.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_hoaxes_on_Wikipedia/Wander_Donkey

Sunglasses Ron · 04-11-2013 05:58AM

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

I agree there not seen as much else, but there is little to no evidence they are only in it for financial gain, it's very naive to say this, just look at the soldiers, psni, prison officers they have killed.
.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8383682.stm

As for the general lack of evidence, drug dealers generally are not the types to go running to the Gardai complaining that the Ra are shaking them down for a cut of illegally made profits. At its height in the 80's and 90's the IRA had the weaponry and manpower to shut down the drug trade in Dublin (and by association, throughout the country by cutting off the source of the small town dealers). Apart from a few random public shows of force and muscle they shut down **** all. The IRA are not stupid, they knew full well in the 90's that shutting down the supply of massively popular recreational drugs in Belfast would kill off their support among the late teens into 20's lads who made up the bulk of this market (and the bulk of those willing to fight on the streets of Belfast every July).

Or even worse, would put these kids in contact with Loyalist paramilitary dealers who were personally trafficking the stuff.

RDM_83 again · 04-11-2013 09:59AM

Cienciano wrote: »

Ah, wikipedia. Where anyone can go in and write whatever they want.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_hoaxes_on_Wikipedia/Wander_Donkey

For Fcuks sake are you really that lazy that you can't scroll to the bottom of a wikipedia page and see if a few of the citations shown are genuine :mad:

hatrickpatrick · 04-11-2013 11:11AM

Anyone else assume the thread title was about boobies?

the_monkey · 04-11-2013 11:28AM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Jack I'm not a troll I respect the nationalist movement, I myself would love to see Ireland united one day through peaceful means but I don't believe that will ever happen. The RIRA and 32CSM aren't respected down here, the RIRA are a criminal gang just like the UVF and the LVF are up North.

Would you be bothered having that kip up north part of the country ?

let them keep the kip...

Ficheall · 04-11-2013 03:23PM

Ficheall wrote: »

32 C Super Medium?

And now, after some brief pre-post research - no pun intended - to see if this were, in fact, a medium size (it's close-ish), I'm now getting GoogleAds along the lines of:

"Ladies Knickers - FashionWorld.co.uk/Ladies_Knickers - Pretty & Figure Flattering Lingerie Look Fabulous In Sizes 32-56, A-K!"

Sigh.

32CSM?

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