Daily Express launches "crusade" against Romanians and Bulgarians

crockholm · 01-11-2013 07:41AM

gctest50 wrote: »

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For the night that was in it,I wouldn't at all mind if those 3 came into my room through an open window and said in the standard Dracula accent "I am going to suck your.........;)

Grayson · 01-11-2013 09:17AM

Sunglasses Ron wrote: »

And your blatant hypocrisy amuses us all. Just because you are as suspicious of Roma and travellers as the rest of us doesn't make you a bad person.

I'd prefer to have roma in the apartment above me rather than the students who regularly keep me awake till 3am. the same goes for the apartment to the left of mine. Scumbags who stand outside the apartment smoking joints at all hours. Or the french people who had my apartment before me. I had to get the landlord to replace the couch because it stank of piss.

I'm honestly not suspicious of Roma at all. I am more suspicious of track suited scum since they're the guys who jumped me one night and smashed a bottle on the back of my head.
I'm more suspicious of culchie farmers since as a kid in the country i was bullied for years because I had a different accent.

but Roma, no. I've never seen a roma do anything bad except beg. I've never seen of heard of them beating anyone. I've never heard of them kidnapping a blonde baby. I've never even heard of them wrecking an apartment.

And the few romanians I know aren't Roma but are hard working and lovely people.

Grayson · 01-11-2013 09:33AM

Sunglasses Ron wrote: »

A great deal of actual Romanian women are quite attractive from what I've seen.

So are Roma too. If they're given a chance. It's hard to look good when you have 4 kids before your mid twenties.

I was in Colombia and the stereotypical colombian looks like shakira. Or at least on TV they do. In real life they're overweight and haggard because most are poor and once again end up getting married/pregnant very young.

Karl Stein · 01-11-2013 09:40AM

NiallSparky wrote: »

Whether racism and xenophobia are sometimes justified is another question. I'd generally think not, but that's a more subjective area.

How is it a question?

Legs.Eleven · 01-11-2013 10:36AM

I'm having brunch with 4 Romanian women tomorrow morning. 3 of them doing PhDs and 1 of them has just started an MBA. They're probably the nicest, most open bunch of chicas I've ever met and that goes for all the Romanians I've met here in Madrid (there's thousands here ). I also work with a guy a from Bulgaria who I met a few days ago. Again, lovely.

One of the Romanian women wanted to do some research for her doctorate in the UK and went to apply for a visa recently. The woman in the embassy opened her passport, shut it and abruptly and apparently quite rudely told her to speak to her lawyer. She didn't even entertain her application.

I know Romanian English teachers here with PERFECT English who have to lie about their nationality to students as students have complained and they've had to drop the classes.

Every time my friend (who is doing the MBA while working full time) tells someone she's Romanian, you can visibly see their faces change and their reaction is almost disgust. She says sometimes she's tempted to lie but says their bigotry is their problem for them to deal with and if they judge by her nationality, they're not worth knowing.

She's right, of course.

Romas make up 3% of the Romanian population by the way.

crockholm · 01-11-2013 10:45AM

Maybe the Brits have had enough of the cheeky girls?

Red Nissan · 01-11-2013 11:27AM

Grayson wrote: »

but Roma, no. I've never seen a roma do anything bad except beg. I've never seen of heard of them beating anyone. I've never heard of them kidnapping a blonde baby. I've never even heard of them wrecking an apartment

OK you are ONE. For this one post I bet a hundred could counter it with their own personal experiences. Especially if one were to read the transcripts from local radio shows.

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 01-11-2013 11:28AM

Red Nissan wrote: »

and it has nothing to do, with what the Roma do? Right?

Right.
it has a lot to so with bigotry, scaremongering, and racism.

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 01-11-2013 11:29AM

Red Nissan wrote: »

OK you are ONE. For this one post I bet a hundred could counter it with their own personal experiences. Especially if one were to read the transcripts from local radio shows.

that's utter rubbish,
if you are going to be a victim of crime in Ireland it is highly probable it will be from someone Irish

Red Nissan · 01-11-2013 11:31AM

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

Nothing at all.
The Roma are not the ones scaremongering and posting bigoted and vile comments.

They are not because?

stoneill · 01-11-2013 11:32AM

And their logo is a Crusader - what did they get up to on their way through what is now Bulgaria and Romania.

whomitconcerns · 01-11-2013 11:37AM

guys from both sides of it...as I have lived in romanina for 2 years

The Roma (which are not Romanian ethnically or culturally to say again) are a big problem in Romania too, much the same as here they beg and dont work and scrounge. They do not get involved in violent crime but will always go for "easy pickings". There are an element of Roma, mainly from Bulgaria, that have hooked up with some russian mafia types and are more into "violent crime". These were also shown on the Ross Kemp expose.

The Romanian people are very similar to ourselves, hardworking, friendly, industrious, and dislike the Roma hugely. Romanian people do not were the "multicoloured dresses" unless the very traditional sorts, but they live in the countryside in Romania and live very austere lives, so you havent met them! :P

The differences are huge..daily express is full of crap...

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 01-11-2013 11:40AM

Red Nissan wrote: »

They are not because?

Because they are not bigoted vile scaremongering racists?

Cody Pomeray · 01-11-2013 11:42AM

I'm a little uncomfortable with this "srsly guys romas are not = romanians" narrative.

1. Most people already know that
2. Who cares?

Why should it be appropriate to 'reassure' people by placing one ethnic group at a distance from another ethnic group. That is inherently racist, is it not? You are implying that there is something objectively wrong with being a person who is Roma.

whomitconcerns · 01-11-2013 11:48AM

Cody Pomeray wrote: »

I'm a little uncomfortable with this "srsly guys romas are not = romanians" narrative.

1. Most people already know that
2. Who cares?

Why should it be appropriate to 'reassure' people by placing one ethnic group at a distance from another ethnic group. That is inherently racist, is it not? You are implying that there is something objectively wrong with being a person who is Roma.

Well because the Romanians that want to come to UK are either already working or want to work. They are not scroungers at all. A very proud people.

The Roma that want to come to Uk don't want to work and don't plan on working and just want to scrounge. Nothing wrong with being a Roma, put quite simply the above is their culture. (A reasoning we are WELL used to in Ireland)

Its not racism/xenophobia its a fact..

Red Nissan · 01-11-2013 11:52AM

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

I'm having brunch with 4 Romanian women tomorrow morning. .

We've seen their pictures, wow!

But it has been painstakingly pointed out that this thread is mixing up Romanian with Roma.

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 01-11-2013 11:52AM

whomitconcerns wrote: »

The Roma that want to come to Uk don't want to work and don't plan on working and just want to scrounge.

Its not racism/xenophobia its a fact..

It is a sweeping racist generalization, not a fact!

Grayson · 01-11-2013 11:54AM

Red Nissan wrote: »

OK you are ONE. For this one post I bet a hundred could counter it with their own personal experiences. Especially if one were to read the transcripts from local radio shows.

And for those 100 that are the victims of roma you will find tens of thousands of people who are the victims of irish peeople.

This kind of shyte is reminiscent of all the "All the polish criminals are coming here" "The reason there are no swans/fish in the canal/lake is because all the polish ate them" kind of rubbish that daily mail readers love.

Red Nissan · 01-11-2013 11:54AM

Cody Pomeray wrote: »

Why should it be appropriate to 'reassure' people by placing one ethnic group at a distance from another ethnic group..

By the very fact that they are an ethnic group and wish to stay outside the majority as such.

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 01-11-2013 11:58AM

For those who enjoy generalizing about the Roma:

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/heffernan-roma-tweet-causes-shock-1.1575190

Ms Iordan said members of the Roma community in Cork were trying to prove they could make a meaningful contribution to society.

“Members of the community in Cork are doing volunteer work cleaning up the river Lee. They are picking up wood and cutting it up to give to the elderly people in Blackpool in the city. All of the coverage about the Roma has been undermining. It is upsetting people who want to be accepted

Red Nissan · 01-11-2013 11:59AM

whomitconcerns wrote: »

but they live in the countryside in Romania and live very austere lives, so you havent met them! :P.

On local yesterday I heard the head of Bóher defending his decision to send a consignment of cattle and to Romania. He was perplexed that obviously the interviewer thought Romania was filled with Roma and not deserving of this charity's help.

Grayson · 01-11-2013 12:06PM

Red Nissan wrote: »

By the very fact that they are an ethnic group and wish to stay outside the majority as such.

Mainly because in the last 70 years the outside world has attempted genocide. And lets face it, based on the way they are treated across europs there are many who probably wish the nazi's had finished the job.

Would any of them actually think it was even worth trying to integrate after reading the responses in this thread. If this was a thread on a US forum and was about irish people I can only imagine the outrage. Would you even want to go to that country? Or if you did would you expect to be treated with even the vaguest amount of dignity by the population?

It's very like the treatment that irish people had to live with. No dogs or irish on the windows of lodgings. Rumours and stories abounding in magazines. That's how the irishman jokes started. they were popular in the late 1800's when all irish were seen as lazy stupid drunks.

Red Nissan · 01-11-2013 12:08PM

Grayson wrote: »

This kind of shyte is reminiscent of all the "All the polish criminals are coming here" "The reason there are no swans/fish in the canal/lake is because all the polish ate them" kind of rubbish that daily mail readers love.

Don't believe the Garda statements so then. They publish annual crime figures and publish statements of affairs.

A huge percentage of crime in Ireland is controlled by gangs and an increasing element of that has links to international gangs.

Money transfer figures that were published recently also show where money is going out of Ireland.

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 01-11-2013 12:11PM

Red Nissan wrote: »

Don't believe the Garda statements so then. They publish annual crime figures and publish statements of affairs.

A huge percentage of crime in Ireland is controlled by gangs and an increasing element of that has links to international gangs.

Money transfer figures that were published recently also show where money is going out of Ireland.

The money transfer figures were shown up to be little more than guesswork.
And as usual you make wild statements regarding crime but fail to provide any empirical data to back those claims up.
The fact the majority of crime in Ireland is committed by the Irish themselves.

PS The Gardaí do not publish annual crime figures, annual crime statistics are collated and published by the CSO!

Red Nissan · 01-11-2013 12:12PM

Grayson wrote: »

It's very like the treatment that irish people had to live with. No dogs or irish on the windows of lodgings. Rumours and stories abounding in magazines. That's how the irishman jokes started. they were popular in the late 1800's when all irish were seen as lazy stupid drunks.

In fact the Irish banded together in New York and beat the living daylights out of the controlling gangs in an exceptionally bloody, cruel and immensely violent period.

Red Nissan · 01-11-2013 12:19PM

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

PS The Gardaí do not publish annual crime figures, annual crime statistics are collated and published by the CSO!

But the source of the data is from the Gardaí? The Garda Website has quite a lot of published documents including their annual report.

Grayson · 01-11-2013 12:53PM

Red Nissan wrote: »

Don't believe the Garda statements so then. They publish annual crime figures and publish statements of affairs.

A huge percentage of crime in Ireland is controlled by gangs and an increasing element of that has links to international gangs.

Money transfer figures that were published recently also show where money is going out of Ireland.

It should be easy for you to provide them then. I'm well aware of the Romanian gangs that fuel the drug trade in ireland. Gangs run by Romanians like John Gilligan (Gilligan is an old Roma name) or gangs like the INLA and the Westies are all known to be 100% Roma in origin. In fact, there were no drugs in ireland before the Roma.
And Tiger robberies are actually named after the Roma. Because 1000 years ago the Roma moved to Europe from India and as we all know, that's where tigers are from.

Of course, it might be that there are no such figures and you're relying on a headline you caught in the daily mail.

Red Nissan wrote: »

In fact the Irish banded together in New York and beat the living daylights out of the controlling gangs in an exceptionally bloody, cruel and immensely violent period.

So you're saying that Roma & Romanians should gather into machete weilding gangs and slaughter irish people to stop discrimination? Cause I'm pretty sure that didn't work for the irish in new york. And bombing people in england certainly didn't help there.

Geuze · 01-11-2013 01:22PM

We're in the EU.

One key feature is free movement of people and labour.

Fair enough.

So there should be no question of any barrier / restriction on Romanians or Bulgarians.

Now, we should come down hard on crime, all crime.

We should also discourage "welfare tourism".

But I think we can do this, while allowing the free movement of RO / BG people and workers.

Red Nissan · 01-11-2013 01:25PM

Grayson wrote: »

So you're saying that Roma & Romanians should gather into machete weilding gangs and slaughter irish people to stop discrimination? Cause I'm pretty sure that didn't work for the irish in new york. And bombing people in england certainly didn't help there.

Now now, show me where I actually said that.

The Irish more or less took over New York, the London bombings could have lead to the peace agreement.

timmy4u2 · 01-11-2013 01:32PM

Cody Pomeray wrote: »

I'm a little uncomfortable with this "srsly guys romas are not = romanians" narrative.

1. Most people already know that
2. Who cares?

Why should it be appropriate to 'reassure' people by placing one ethnic group at a distance from another ethnic group. That is inherently racist, is it not? You are implying that there is something objectively wrong with being a person who is Roma.

1. So you say, so you say. I cannot agree with that.

2. I think that if we chose to discuss this on an open forum that we should all think and care before we post.

You see there are good Roma; They care about their image and how they are perceived
There are bad Roma who dont care.
There are good romanians who care and like the Irish and the English and the French there are bad ones also.
What these good Romanians do not want is to be discriminated against by the misdeeds of a small percentage of the Roma community who make up just 3.25% of the population.
Why are Bulgarians not treated in a similar fashion. After all the Roma percentage in Bulgaria I is 4.67%
It is not that very long ago the The Irish were perceived to be almost all murdering subversive
Millitant group by several countries.
I cared then becausecit impacted on my travel and on how I was looked upon.
The day we stop caring will be a very sad day.

Daily Express launches "crusade" against Romanians and Bulgarians

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