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Domestic Violence

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,597 ✭✭✭Witchie


    Thank you stheno and I would like to totally agree with what you said. I am at a great place in my life. My sons are growing up and becoming fine young men, I am back in college and have loads of friends and the occasional fella on the go so life does get better.

    It takes time but the sooner you are out of the situation the sooner you can rebuild your life.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 811 ✭✭✭canadianwoman


    Stheno wrote: »
    I was thinking about this, and decided if even one man or woman suffering from domestic violence/being beaten due to their relationship/having their freedom restricted as a result of it and you read this and decide it worth taking action, then it's worth me posting.

    I was literally a slave. I was locked into a flat at my abusers choosing, couldn't go to the shops, the library, anything. I had no life.

    I got out by talking to my family and it took a great effort.

    It hurt and for a long time I was very unsettled, worried and had my ex stalk me and my family.

    Now he doesn't feature in my life at all (I suspect he's dead), I've a good enough relationship with my family, am in a long term relationship where I am constantly amazed at my parthers kindness and wonder why I put up with so much ****e for so long.

    If you are in a crap situation, talk to your friends and family before it is too late. Talk to womens aid (if you are a woman) or AMEN (if you are a man) and get the advice you need to help you

    I just walked as I'd no kids/possessions that were important, but if you have read this thread and related to it and thought you'd like to be me or any other poster on here who has gotten away there is help there. Find it and use it.

    And best of luck.

    Can't say it better then that.

    This thread has been an eye opener for me in more then one way.

    I'm even starting to wonder if there are support groups around for former victims of domestic violence. Places where we can go and feel safe to share what happened to you or just sit and listen if you wish to.

    I might have to do some checking around but I've got so many ideas running through my head now it is unreal....but in a good way. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,946 ✭✭✭✭Neyite


    Can't say it better then that.

    This thread has been an eye opener for me in more then one way.

    I'm even starting to wonder if there are support groups around for former victims of domestic violence. Places where we can go and feel safe to share what happened to you or just sit and listen if you wish to.

    I might have to do some checking around but I've got so many ideas running through my head now it is unreal....but in a good way. :)

    I'm sure there is somewhere on Boards that a support thread for former victims would be suitable- let me have a think about that, I might ask in the mods forum. Sharing experiences and ways to rebuild can only help.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,037 ✭✭✭Plazaman


    woodoo wrote: »
    Why do people stay with an abusive partner. Makes no sense to me.

    I always thought the same myself, ya get hit or abused once then that should be it, out the door and don't look back and fúck him/her if they come grovelling.

    It was only through my work that I was dealing indirectly with victims of domestic abuse via social services or shelters etc that I heard stories such as the previous ones and gradually beagn to understand the problems that victims of abouse face. I always admire those, particularly those suffering through it for years, who pluck up the courage to say enough is enough and take the steps to leave. It is not an easy task at all.

    I was trying to Google there (unsuccessfully unfortunately) a recent report where it says that on average it takes 37 counts of abuse (verbal, mental, physical) before a victim will seek help. I'm assuming 37 is very low for those who have to endure it for years.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,307 ✭✭✭T runner


    Another reason why women might be reluctant to leave abusive men is that the time when they leave or just after is the most dangerous time for the woman. When some men claim theyw ill kill their partner if they leave them, they are deadly serious and the woman understands this.

    Judging by this thread and others, violence against woman seems to be a huge problem in Ireland.


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,424 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    hfallada wrote: »
    I dont watch fair city( its a pile of Sh1t). But I imagine of course the husband was beating the wife, as only men can be violent. I know more guys who are getting abused by their GFs, than girls getting abused by their BFs. But the Irish media like to ignore that, as it doesnt fit the norm. You never hear of the guy getting verbal and physically abused by his wife as it isnt a good story.

    Before you get lost in your miss guided rant, a few years back they had a story line involving a man suffering domestic violence from a woman. This guy, also had a story line where he was employed as a debt collector. So they do look to challenge the idea, by bringing around to someone who would typically be considered as a strong person.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,491 ✭✭✭looking_around


    My mom was in DV relationship for a few years, she finally left(or lost it) when he came after me one day.... she chased him out the house with a hammer.

    When I think DV, I always think of this poem I Got Flowers Today.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 811 ✭✭✭canadianwoman


    T runner wrote: »
    Another reason why women might be reluctant to leave abusive men is that the time when they leave or just after is the most dangerous time for the woman. When some men claim theyw ill kill their partner if they leave them, they are deadly serious and the woman understands this.

    Judging by this thread and others, violence against woman seems to be a huge problem in Ireland.

    Unfortunately not just in Ireland. :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,245 ✭✭✭myshirt


    Guys underrepresented here.

    Guys, if a woman does happen to ever pull a knife out on you during an argument, as quick as you can you pull out some bread, mayo and cheese.

    Her instincts will kick in and she'll make you a sandwich.


  • Posts: 26,219 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I have tears in my eyes reading some of these posts. There are some very brave people on this thread.

    Well done to anyone who escaped. And I hope anyone thinking of escaping is inspired by the examples of courage above.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 115 ✭✭missierex


    I had an ex who had serious issues; depression, anger, and I suspect a problem with alcohol.

    I recall her screaming, and her threatening suicide on countless occasions which resulted in me being afraid to leave in case she did hurt herself. Now i'm older and less naive I realise it was just attention-seeking.

    I remember one night in particular trying to pin her down on the bed because she was threatening to throw herself in the river. I had a few nasty bite-marks on my arms as a thank you.

    The same girl would fight with her toenails, and i'm very placid but I found she brought out the worst in me. She would pick fights, and if I tried to defend myself she'd just roar and scream over me. One time, I got so frustrated that I pegged a pint glass of water over her just to shut her up for a second. Not my proudest moment.

    And guess what? She was the one who dumped me after 18 months!!! The mind boggles :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,461 ✭✭✭Queen-Mise


    In response to the question why don't the victims leave.

    Here is link for a Ted Talk by Leslie Morgan Steiner:

    http://www.ted.com/talks/leslie_morgan_steiner_why_domestic_violence_victims_don_t_leave.html

    She had an interesting take on why the victims stay - we stay as we are the only ones who understand why the abuser is the way they are. It is because of childhood abuse, work stress, blah de blah....

    All the other things all play a part - the lack of esteem/confidence etc.

    In my case, it was because I understood why my ex was the way he was. I left because after the third night in a row of him trying to strangle me, I lost my temper and attacked/tried to kill him.

    Him I could forgive, me I couldn't:( How fcuking twisted is that. Still don't have an answer.



    Jeez - though far too many of us have gone through this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 115 ✭✭missierex


    myshirt wrote: »
    Guys underrepresented here.

    Guys, if a woman does happen to ever pull a knife out on you during an argument, as quick as you can you pull out some bread, mayo and cheese.

    Her instincts will kick in and she'll make you a sandwich.

    That did make me laugh! Though it's wrong...Very wrong!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,307 ✭✭✭T runner


    Just a note on the gender aspect of domestic violence that should be said.

    Heres a defintion of domestic violence against women that id agree with:
    Domestic violence against women by men is 'caused' by the misuse of power and control within a context of male privilege. Male privilege operates on an individual and societal level to maintain a situation of male dominance, where men have power over women and children. In this way, domestic violence by men against women can be seen as a consequence of the inequalities between men and women, rooted in patriarchal traditions that encourage men to believe they are entitled to power and control over their partners.....Ultimately, responsibility for the violence must lie with the perpetrator of that violence, despite any societal influences that we may draw on in order to understand the context of the behaviour.
    .......Research shows that violent men are most likely to perpetrate violence in response to their own sexual jealousy and possessiveness; their demands for domestic services; and in order to demonstrate male authority.

    And this accounts for the huge disparity in numbers of domestic violence cases between the sexes.

    From some very honest accounts by women on this thread, this sense of entitlement and control from the abuser seems to be evident. In his view of a male/female relationship , he feels a right to control, have power and male authority over her. He uses this control in order to make her behave as he believes she should behave as a female in his learned view of a relationship.

    From the couple of male cases here, this societal element is not evident and the abuser's violence or need for control is not related to how society views males, females or their relationships.

    I think its important to point this out, as it changes how we might need to solve and in particular pre-vent. There will always be bad individuals who who have a propensity to control or be violent regardless of which society they learn from. This doesnt explain the vast amount of male cases (agaisnt women).

    As a male i dont tolerate any negativity against women. For example, if i hear a male aquaintance utter a negativity about women, i will stop him and correct him. Domestic Violence against women is in fact, a mens issue.

    Do we really believe women are equal to men, and relationships are a joining of 2 equals? If we do, then we dont tolerate anything but that view in our culture. There cant be any more violence against women because the majority of men who are good, have stayed silent while the bad ones teach young boys their view of women.


    This excellent TED talk by Jackson Katz explains it a lot better than i can. You might disagree with this position, but if you have a few minutes have a look at this before you do.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 402 ✭✭The Big Smoke


    Violence against men is very real and a problem. Saying its a "mens issue" is utter bollocks. I say that as someone with a fair bit of experience as to what it's like.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,166 ✭✭✭Tasden


    Violence against men is very real and a problem. Saying its a "mens issue" is utter bollocks. I say that as someone with a fair bit of experience as to what it's like.

    I think abuse by women against men stems from a different place though. Both are equally awful and equally real. Neither is "more of an issue", but I think men abusing women is easier to explain or understand- by this I don't mean condone- men are seen as strong, women are weaker/oppressed etc. Then there's the whole "slut shaming" issue thrown in the mix.
    That's just my opinion though- both are obviously horrendous and wrong, no matter what, and neither is more normal or accepted than the other.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 862 ✭✭✭constance tench


    Three Irish gender neutral surveys were carried out by:
    1. The Marriage and Relationship Counselling Service (MRCS)
    2. Accord
    3. A study for the Department of Health and Children
    The MRCS study found that domestic violence between couples tends to be mutual in a third of the cases (33%), female-perpetrated in four out ten couples (42%) and male-perpetrated in a quarter of couples (25%).


    The Accord study found that where domestic Violence occurs, (46%) involved mutual violence; in (30%) of cases it was perpetrated by women only and in (24%) by men only.

    The Department of Health study found, where domestic violence occurs, (50%) was mutual with the remainder divided equally between women-only and men-only perpetration.

    These findings reflect the results of all independent two-sex studies carried out world-wide
    http://www.uspi.ie/DomesticAbuse.php


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    I have a friend in a violent relationship. He only told me about a while back when he was very drunk, and won't talk about it sober. So now the issue is ignored. His girlfriend is a very controlling jealous girl.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭Cait87


    Auldloon wrote: »
    Love in its most messed up form makes no sense. In my case between the psycho episodes were tears, begging, promises to this time get professional help and all the good things that made me fall in love with her in the first place. It seemed to go in cycles of a few months of bliss then total destruction. I suppose I eventually saw that she would never change and by then my feelings for her had.

    Same with my folks, its more of a game than anything else. everything was honeymoon period after the big fights- they went on for hours! Then Hell. Then its like nothing had happened and everything's okay then hell again!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,459 ✭✭✭LizzieJones



    Do others here have any experiences of domestic violence?

    Yes. :mad:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,935 ✭✭✭Calibos


    I realised it was an old thread from the getgo but read it all anyway. Never experienced domestic violence in my own, my parents nor know of any DV in any extended family relationships. What struck my about the thread though, was that AH lived up to its Rep as usual. What is wrong with some people that they think it was the right place to make jokes about DV??? Boggles my Mind!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89 ✭✭mrswhiplash47


    :cool::confused:I would love to have post on the D/V forum and maybe get some advice about D/V... many years ago. Board .ie ????: what happened to you ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89 ✭✭mrswhiplash47


    Ah realised it was an old thread. but something happened to bring it all back,,,,,but sure being Irish I will cope !!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,062 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    Mod:

    Closing as thread is too old.

    mrswhiplash47, if you are looking for help regarding domestic violence, I recommend posting in Personal Issues. Take care


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