Teacher arrested for having sex with a 17 year old student

BraziliaNZ · 30-10-2013 06:05PM

DellyBelly wrote: »

There's an episode on South Park that is perfect for this. I think one of the kids makes out with the teacjhers and when they tell the police they are all saying things like nice...and he's a lucky guy...very funny

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GalwayGuy2 · 30-10-2013 06:13PM

Hmmmm, he is seventeen and if it was consensual i don't believe the teacher should be charged as a sex offender. Mind you she should be fired.

The King of Moo · 30-10-2013 06:14PM

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Can we ban the South Park 'nice' video from threads like this.

It's so obvious. Come on people!

Use your imaginations!

I mean - first post? FIRST POST?

*sigh*

Particularly because the episode it's from is itself satirising the double standards about such stories as this one, an irony that seems lost on those who post it.

dundalkfc10 · 30-10-2013 06:17PM

GalwayGuy2 wrote: »

Hmmmm, he is seventeen and if it was consensual i don't believe the teacher should be charged as a sex offender. Mind you she should be fired.

Have you even read the article?

He was 15 when it happened

Billy86 · 30-10-2013 06:18PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Have you even read the article?

He was 15 when it happened

It's like my point keeps getting proven over and over again, every 10 posts or so without fail!

Grandeeod · 30-10-2013 06:19PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Have you even read the article?

He was 15 when it happened

But even at the age of 17 he cannot legally consent to this woman under the laws of that state.

The Pheasant2 · 30-10-2013 06:26PM

Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice

The King of Moo · 30-10-2013 06:29PM

*races to type "niiiiiice!"*

Man, I hope I get a lot of thanks for being the first person to reference that episode of South Park.

Uriel. · 30-10-2013 06:43PM

Oh wow page two of the thread and I can't believe nobody has presented the south park reference... score!

:rolleyes:

Conmaicne Mara · 30-10-2013 07:29PM

Jeez, victims have it good now a days.

Duck's hoop · 30-10-2013 07:38PM

The King of Moo wrote: »

Lots of teenage boys would doubtless enjoy a similar experience, but it's still statutory rape to have sex with a minor, and still a gross abuse of her power on behalf of the teacher.

You're right. She's a trollop and a harpie. The poor guy must be traumatised.

mikemac1 · 30-10-2013 07:42PM

His hands must be red raw from all the high fives he is getting :cool:

blaze1 · 30-10-2013 07:46PM

Billy86 wrote: »

He was 15 actually, when it began. That has been mentioned multiple times on this thread already.

There is no evidence I have seen that he wasn't blackmailed or anything to do so (for example the grades your teachers give you over the year mean a lot more to your college hopes in the US than they do here), or even just manipulated - both of which would be perfect reason for him to go back. Not saying it happened like that, but not saying it didn't either... but how come when it's a woman everyone is so quick to jump to their defence?

And why was he so willing to implicate her to the police if everything was so innocent and consensual?

Obviously the law will apply different because the other example I gave was in England while this is in Utah, but what is the difference between this female teacher having sex with a 15 year old student and the male teacher having sex with his 14 year old female student?

There is a difference. A male teacher would be seen to prey on a young girl.
Even if he was being blackmailed, shes not exactly a minger is she? I just dont think it worked out the way he wanted, she blew him out, he called her bluff and went to the cops.

Just my 2 cents as I was 15 once and I like many lads at my school would've have given there righ... left arm to have a go with the business studies teacher...mmmmmmm ms flemming.

(or anything else with a pulse)

Wacker The Attacker · 30-10-2013 07:48PM

I wish my French teacher would have had sex with me.

Billy86 · 30-10-2013 08:33PM

blaze1 wrote: »

There is a difference. A male teacher would be seen to prey on a young girl.
Even if he was being blackmailed, shes not exactly a minger is she? I just dont think it worked out the way he wanted, she blew him out, he called her bluff and went to the cops.

Just my 2 cents as I was 15 once and I like many lads at my school would've have given there righ... left arm to have a go with the business studies teacher...mmmmmmm ms flemming.

(or anything else with a pulse)

But "being seen" to do something is exactly my point... where does this concept that teenage girls don't want to have sex come fro? Iin the story I linked to the male teacher -seems- like he might be attractive, (but a female poster might be better qualified to weigh in on that than me

so why is it 'seen to be' different for when the only difference is their gender?

The only I can think of is gender bias.

I mean I know what you are getting at - there were had two very sexy teachers I remember from school. But there was also a PE teacher and one of those 'does a bit of every subject' type teachers that a number of the girls were pretty mad about. It's not like teenage girls are innocent little flowers being defiled from all angles. Not AT ALL to blame them, but it is the same with teenage boys - again in the story I linked to earlier, the girl had been sending dirty pics of herself to the male PE teacher over her phone for a while.

Basically, men and women can prey on teenage boys and girls sexually just as much as each other.

The Big Smoke · 30-10-2013 08:44PM

I would love to see an equivalent sentence as if the genders were reversed. I have a funny feeling it won't though. What an utter slut.

Femme_Fatale · 30-10-2013 09:19PM

Duck's hoop wrote: »

I don't see where there is any indication she abused her authority?

Her being a teacher having sex with her under-age student (15/16 when it started, and 18 is the age of consent in that state).
The fact that she has been arrested for it.

What's this stuff about "A man doing it would be seen as predatory"? Why wouldn't a woman doing so also be predatory?

The people who are saying he probably enjoyed it, "she wasn't exactly a minger" (because it would be assault if she wasn't hot of course), that he is hardly gonna be traumatised (who knows?) etc, therefore it's ok... are you really not aware of how much you're missing the point? Even if he did enjoy it, she committed a crime which is no different to a male teacher in his 30s doing the same with a schoolgirl, yet he would be absolutely pilloried - even if the girl enjoyed it (and she very well could - it shouldn't be assumed that every girl this happens to hasn't given her consent, just because she's a girl and he's a man).

This lad may have given consent but Candie is right that all the "Lucky him" comments from guys don't help in situations where men/boys are sexually assaulted by women, nor do they help the double standards in terms of the attitudes towards a woman having sex (even consensual) with an under-age boy, and a man having sex (even consensual) with an under-age girl.

If he was my kid I think I'd be absolutely livid.

Ihatecuddles-old · 30-10-2013 09:26PM

Billy86 wrote: »

But "being seen" to do something is exactly my point... where does this concept that teenage girls don't want to have sex come fro? Iin the story I linked to the male teacher -seems- like he might be attractive, (but a female poster might be better qualified to weigh in on that than me so why is it 'seen to be' different for when the only difference is their gender?

The only I can think of is gender bias.

I mean I know what you are getting at - there were had two very sexy teachers I remember from school. But there was also a PE teacher and one of those 'does a bit of every subject' type teachers that a number of the girls were pretty mad about. It's not like teenage girls are innocent little flowers being defiled from all angles. Not AT ALL to blame them, but it is the same with teenage boys - again in the story I linked to earlier, the girl had been sending dirty pics of herself to the male PE teacher over her phone for a while.

Basically, men and women can prey on teenage boys and girls sexually just as much as each other.

I definitely would have bonked a few of my teachers. One was in his 50's, still would have let him bend me over his desk.

GalwayGuy2 · 30-10-2013 09:32PM

I definitely would have bonked a few of my teachers. One was in his 50's, still would have let him bend me over his desk.

In fairness, it is the adults responsibility to give an emphatic rejection to that kind of advance.

I just found out he was 15. Hmmm, I'm not calling her a pedophile, but don't boys look quite young at 15?

creep · 30-10-2013 09:36PM

Billy86 · 30-10-2013 09:53PM

OK, that made me laugh.

Never a bad time for Jasper!

The King of Moo · 30-10-2013 10:47PM

Duck's hoop wrote: »

You're right. She's a trollop and a harpie. The poor guy must be traumatised.

I still don't get your point.

She is a trollop: don't you see the problem in the betrayal of the trust of the student and his parents, and the complete lack of professionalism of her actions?

And how is his enjoyment of it relevant?

An adult performed illegal sexual acts with a minor, for whom she has a duty towards.
In addition, due to his youth, the skewed perception inherent in how we look at figures of authority when in adolescence, and the perceived "coolness" of the situation (riding the hot teacher!), he couldn't really give informed consent.
He might think it's cool now, but what about a few years down the line when he feels he was taken advantage of?
When he, and perhaps even his children, can't forget all the embarrassing media attention the case garnered?
And, perish the thought, what if he didn't enjoy it? Is it still "niiiiiice" then? I find it bizarre that you can't seem to fathom that this might not be a wholly positive experience for him.

And even if he did enjoy it, look at the bigger picture: those who are traumatised or upset by such encounters find it hard to come forward in a culture which doesn't take their situation seriously.

Finally, is it also acceptable for a male teacher to have sex with a 15-year old student if she enjoys it?

Femme_Fatale · 30-10-2013 10:51PM

My cousin who's 30 now used to get groped ta fuk by his mother's friend when he was in his early-to-mid teens. She preyed upon his pals also.

He and all but one of his pals look back on it now as weird and messed up and rather it didn't happen, but they're probably not too affected by it. One of the lads though is messed up by it.

But she was milfy... so it was ok.

tomdempsey200 · 30-10-2013 11:20PM

GalwayGuy2 wrote: »

Hmmmm, he is seventeen and if it was consensual i don't believe the teacher should be charged as a sex offender. Mind you she should be firedhired.

change of plan..

Billy86 · 31-10-2013 12:08AM

tomdempsey200 wrote: »

change of plan..

How about you hire Rolf Harris as well? Sure the girls he is in court over were 14-16 just as this teenage kid was 15, so it's all good right?

Femme_Fatale · 31-10-2013 12:09AM

Billy86 wrote: »

How about you hire Rolf Harris as well? Sure the girls he is in court over were 14-16 just as this teenage kid was 15, so it's all good right?

Ah no, Rolf wasn't hot, so it was definitely abuse.

Billy86 · 31-10-2013 12:12AM

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Ah no, Rolf wasn't hot, so it was definitely abuse.

Ah, but he was rich and famous.

Now I ain't saying she a gold digger, but she ain't messing with no broke...

dgt · 31-10-2013 12:30AM

Hmmm.... So this happened outside school hours, when they were both on their own time?

Isn't this murica, where the legal age of consent is 15 in places?

Open to erections corrections....

Feck I even had a French teacher that looked like her, albeit a bit older....

Billy86 · 31-10-2013 12:37AM

It has been mentioned on a few occasions that the age of consent in Utah is 18. A few 'ifs and buts' but if one party is 34 as the teacher was, it is open-and-shut 18 as consent.

Also there is not one state in the US where it is legal for a 15 year old to have sex with a 34 year old as best I can see - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America#Alabama

dgt · 31-10-2013 12:39AM

Billy86 wrote: »

It has been mentioned on a few occasions that the age of consent in Utah is 18. A few 'ifs and buts' but if one party is 34 as the teacher was, it is open-and-shut 18 as consent.

Also there is not one state in the US where it is legal for a 15 year old to have sex with a 34 year old as best I can see - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America#Alabama

Whoops slip of the finger (giggity) meant 16 not 15

Teacher arrested for having sex with a 17 year old student

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