Teacher arrested for having sex with a 17 year old student

Femme_Fatale · 30-10-2013 02:38PM

Clandestine wrote: »

Now watch her get a slap on the wrist. Reverse the genders, what do you think the response would be?

Look at all the backslapping, high-fiving, "bad-ass" comments here about how he was lucky and people need to lighten up about it - hardly helps.
Even if he did enjoy it and wasn't below the age of consent, she's a teacher and was abusing her authority and was a ****ing bint for doing so.

30-10-2013 02:41PM

Clandestine wrote: »

Now watch her get a slap on the wrist. Reverse the genders, what do you think the response would be?

Is it surprising when most reactions are "oh lucky guy"

Duck's hoop · 30-10-2013 02:51PM

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Even if he did enjoy it and wasn't below the age of consent, she's a teacher and was abusing her authority and was a ****ing bint for doing so.

I going to make a huge assumption based on no evidence specific to that case whatsoever and say he definitely enjoyed it. At least as much as doing his Shakespeare essays.

I don't see where there is any indication she abused her authority?

The One Who Knocks · 30-10-2013 02:55PM

gizmo555 wrote: »

Actually, it is.

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Jamez735 wrote: »

Apologies, didn't realise he was 15 when it started.

Uriel. · 30-10-2013 03:06PM

bluewolf wrote: »

Is it surprising when most reactions are "oh lucky guy"

Are they really surprising? Honestly?

Look the double standards of this type of situation is acknowledged. It's not fair. and is annoying.

The potential of rape, coercion, manipulation, abuse, abuse of authority is also well acknowledged. Undoubtedly, the teacher in question should face a full (and fair) judgment from the relevant courts. The penalty should be appropriate to the circumstances and shouldn't be any different to the penalty that would be faced by a male teacher in the same circumstances. She should, it could be argued also receive a penalty even if the there was full consent and no coercion etc present, owing to her failure of living by the unique influence she exerts.

But, at the end of the day, I am sure there are plenty (maybe most) males, who if they had a half decent looking teacher at 15, 16 or 17 wouldn't mind some extracurricular activity.

I know when I was in my leaving cert cycle there were at least two teachers I would have liked to have visited their homes for some fun, (in exchange for a couple of A or B results.) For some it might even be a fantasy. That's why you have comments like you highlight.

No one, or at least I am not, is disregarding the potential seriousness of the situation, but humour doesn't need to be absent from all situations. In fact, there's probably only rare topics in AH where the threshold for some form of humour is so low to be completely 'off the wall'.

Billy86 · 30-10-2013 03:12PM

Duck's hoop wrote: »

I going to make a huge assumption based on no evidence specific to that case whatsoever and say he definitely enjoyed it. At least as much as doing his Shakespeare essays.

I don't see where there is any indication she abused her authority?

That is a huge assumption, and funny enough a huge assumption that I don't think has once ever been made with an older man and under age girl. Yet it's the same assumption that is jumped to quite frequently with older women and younger boys.

Even if it was 100% consensual with NO coercion on her part, Christ, even if the kid approached her about it and pestered her for sex, the teacher is still guilty of abusing her authority here. It is that simple. There's no grey area, you don't have sex with students. You don't have sex with 15 year olds where the legal age is 18. You don't do both together. Simple as that.

catallus · 30-10-2013 03:16PM

I got blowjobs from my English teacher when I was in 6th Year, I was 17, she was hot and in her 40's I think. I never told a soul.

Seaneh · 30-10-2013 03:18PM

Billy86 wrote: »

If the teen is 17 now, and it began in January '12, he was likely 15 years of age. By it's very definition, that would is rape consent is 18 in Utah.

No, it would be statutory rape, there is a world of difference.

Duck's hoop · 30-10-2013 03:19PM

I realise it's not PC but I still think it's unlikely he didn't enjoy it.

I understand the reaction would be different if the genders were reversed, but I would posit that if it's consensual and repeated, then both parties are enjoying the experience, regardless of the law.

I'm not condoning it.

Seaneh · 30-10-2013 03:21PM

catallus wrote: »

I got blowjobs from my English teacher when I was in 6th Year, I was 17, she was hot and in her 40's I think. I never told a soul.

Lies.

I Heart Internet · 30-10-2013 03:24PM

catallus wrote: »

I got blowjobs from my English teacher when I was in 6th Year, I was 17, she was hot and in her 40's I think. I never told a soul.

This definetly happened!

blaze1 · 30-10-2013 03:37PM

Candie wrote: »

This kind of reaction is why male victims of inappropriate sexual contact or sexual abuse find it hard to disclose.

Reverse the genders and no one would be so congratulatory.

It happened 5 times at her house. I'm sure if he didn't want to go back he wouldn't of.

Stinicker · 30-10-2013 04:00PM

catallus wrote: »

I got blowjobs from my English teacher when I was in 6th Year, I was 17, she was hot and in her 40's I think. I never told a soul.

That never happens to anyone on boards, you sure you didn't fall asleep watching xvideos or something? I doubt anyone here has ever had a BJ?

BraziliaNZ · 30-10-2013 04:09PM

Whether he enjoyed it or not is besides the point. A child that age humping a woman in her 30s could skew their view of women and sex and relationships in the future. It's a delicate age and she should be punished accordingly.

BraziliaNZ · 30-10-2013 04:09PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

This definetly happened!

Maybe it did happen, what makes you think this stuff doesn't happen?

BraziliaNZ · 30-10-2013 04:15PM

blaze1 wrote: »

It happened 5 times at her house. I'm sure if he didn't want to go back he wouldn't of.

I know a girl in her 30s now who hooked up with her 30-odd year old grinds teacher when she was 16. Not sex but kissing etc.
Is that wrong? I'm sure she enjoyed it but if she was going back again and again for sex does it means it ok because she wanted to?

Standman · 30-10-2013 04:27PM

Candie wrote: »

This kind of reaction is why male victims of inappropriate sexual contact or sexual abuse find it hard to disclose.

Reverse the genders and no one would be so congratulatory.

He was 17 for fuck sake

Billy86 · 30-10-2013 04:49PM

Standman wrote: »

He was 17 for fuck sake

He was 15 actually, when it began. That has been mentioned multiple times on this thread already.

blaze1 wrote: »

It happened 5 times at her house. I'm sure if he didn't want to go back he wouldn't of.

There is no evidence I have seen that he wasn't blackmailed or anything to do so (for example the grades your teachers give you over the year mean a lot more to your college hopes in the US than they do here), or even just manipulated - both of which would be perfect reason for him to go back. Not saying it happened like that, but not saying it didn't either... but how come when it's a woman everyone is so quick to jump to their defence?

And why was he so willing to implicate her to the police if everything was so innocent and consensual?

Obviously the law will apply different because the other example I gave was in England while this is in Utah, but what is the difference between this female teacher having sex with a 15 year old student and the male teacher having sex with his 14 year old female student?

Uriel. · 30-10-2013 04:54PM

Billy86 wrote: »

And why was he so willing to implicate her to the police if everything was so innocent and consensual?

You're spot on with most of what you say.

But the above could be explained, by, for example, love's young dream being shattered for some reasons. If the "relationship" was completely consensual with not coercion whatsoever, he might still well involve the police for a host of reasons, including her "breaking up" with him.

We don't seem to know any of the facts so almost everything is wild speculation, but I am just pointing out that there may be other reasons for going to the police (including selfish ones) than sexual abuse or the like.

Red Nissan · 30-10-2013 04:59PM

Ouch, So teacher has a pet for a while and moves on to another and previous pet gets jealous and dobs her in?

keithclancy · 30-10-2013 05:29PM

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

Whether he enjoyed it or not is besides the point. A child that age humping a woman in her 30s could skew their view of women and sex and relationships in the future. It's a delicate age and she should be punished accordingly.

Totally ... he could end up going out to bars using alcohol as a social crutch to pick up girls for sexual relations.

Oh wait ....

Grandeeod · 30-10-2013 05:44PM

Here are some facts.

Utah is among the few U.S. states which have set separate ages of consent for men and women. For women, the age of consent in Utah is 16. For men, it is 18. However, for women between the ages of 16 and 18, there are some restrictions. No person under the age of 18, male or female, can legally consent to sex with a person who is more than 10 years older than the minor.

More available at this link.

http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/utah-age-of-consent-lawyers.html

He was a minor in the eyes of the law and she is a law breaker.

Muise... · 30-10-2013 05:45PM

Billy86 wrote: »

Obviously the law will apply different because the other example I gave was in England while this is in Utah, but what is the difference between this female teacher having sex with a 15 year old student and the male teacher having sex with his 14 year old female student?

It is generally assumed that

1. a man cannot be powerless
2. a woman cannot be aggressive

thus -

1.1 men always enjoy sex with anyone, under any circumstances
2.1 women are always victims in any power struggle

zl1whqvjs75cdy · 30-10-2013 05:53PM

Wait what? Utah's age of consent is higher for boys than girls?

cena · 30-10-2013 05:56PM

No way does she look 34. Looks younger.

What a lucky guy

The King of Moo · 30-10-2013 05:58PM

Duck's hoop wrote: »

I realise it's not PC but I still think it's unlikely he didn't enjoy it.

I understand the reaction would be different if the genders were reversed, but I would posit that if it's consensual and repeated, then both parties are enjoying the experience, regardless of the law.

I'm not condoning it.

How is this relevant? His perception would have been skewed due to his youth and being in a relationship with someone in a position of power over him.
Lots of teenage boys would doubtless enjoy a similar experience, but it's still statutory rape to have sex with a minor, and still a gross abuse of her power on behalf of the teacher.

DellyBelly · 30-10-2013 06:00PM

There's an episode on South Park that is perfect for this. I think one of the kids makes out with the teacjhers and when they tell the police they are all saying things like nice...and he's a lucky guy...very funny

Billy86 · 30-10-2013 06:01PM

Muise... wrote: »

It is generally assumed that

1. a man cannot be powerless
2. a woman cannot be aggressive

thus -

1.1 men always enjoy sex with anyone, under any circumstances
2.1 women are always victims in any power struggle

It's funny isn't it? Like I showed earlier how the wording in this article was "The 17-year-old boy admitted to investigators on Monday that he had had sex with Altice at least seven times between January of 2012 and October of 2013" - HE had sex with HER. And HE admitted it. SHE did not have sex/take advantage of/do anything bad to HIM. It also never mentions that he would have been 15 when the whole thing started.

Yet when it is a male teacher the wording is "He began taking her to a room at the school, where he physically abused her. He began to touch her all round and began to kiss her on the mouth." and it explicitly goes out of the way to mention that the girl was 13 when everything started (though that escalated slower so we have no idea if she was 13 or 14 when 'it' occurred). Again, HE did it to HER. HE took HER to a room (implying he did it forcefully) and, in a 'let's be perfectly clear here' tone they use the words "PHYSICALLY ABUSED".
*Article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2413626/Paedophile-P-E-teacher-Glyn-Thompson-Burnley-sex-14-year-old-pupil-school.html

Even just look at the headlines - with the female teacher it is "English teacher, 34, arrested for having sex with 17-year-old student who was able to accurately describe her tattoos to police" ... for the male teacher is it "Paedophile P.E. teacher, 31, had sex with 14-year-old pupil in school during 18 months of abuse". Not the words 'paedophile' and 'abuse' both appear in one, and neither in the other.

Both are even by the same publication, publishing what would appear to be very similar underage student/older teacher relationships, and it couldn't be from a better example of typifying double standards - the Daily Mail

! But it's not just the Mail in this instance it's one that really goes through huge chunks of society. It's all kind of disturbing, really.

The King of Moo · 30-10-2013 06:03PM

DellyBelly wrote: »

There's an episode on South Park that is perfect for this. I think one of the kids makes out with the teacjhers and when they tell the police they are all saying things like nice...and he's a lucky guy...very funny

must... resist... urge... to post... Nicolas Cage "oh really!?" picture!

BraziliaNZ · 30-10-2013 06:04PM

keithclancy wrote: »

Totally ... he could end up going out to bars using alcohol as a social crutch to pick up girls for sexual relations.

Oh wait ....

I don't get it?

Teacher arrested for having sex with a 17 year old student

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