TUS Programme

ForeverYoungx · 28-10-2013 11:42PM

ah FFS

so basically my choices are:
- do TUS/give up on real education
- come off dole, get a proper education

but the latter isn't even a choice because i have nobody to support me until next september and unfortunately rely on SW

Fred Swanson · 28-10-2013 11:48PM

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ForeverYoungx · 28-10-2013 11:54PM

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Yeah so basically i'm f*kd if i'm forced into TUS

i might try chancing ticking no anyways and mention the education..my local office seem a lot more laid back than others based on stuff i have read on here..if theres a tiny chance i might have a different outcome i'll take it. if they send me the 2nd letter forcing me to do it then i wont have any choice

jos22 · 28-10-2013 11:56PM

ForeverYoungx wrote: »

Yeah so basically i'm f*kd if i'm forced into TUS

i might try chancing ticking no anyways and mention the education..my local office seem a lot more laid back than others based on stuff i have read on here..if theres a tiny chance i might have a different outcome i'll take it. if they send me the 2nd letter forcing me to do it then i wont have any choice

well if sent the tus letter back it might be few months before you called in for interview and an other few before they have a place at which point you can say you going back to college instead,

ForeverYoungx · 29-10-2013 12:00AM

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well if sent the tus letter back it might be few months before you called in for interview and an other few before they have a place at which point you can say you going back to college instead,

even if its jan/feb when they want me to start the course, would they accept "going back to college" as the answer when it wouldn't be until september? if im forced to go to the interview ill mention im planning on going to college in sept

Fred Swanson · 29-10-2013 12:05AM

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ForeverYoungx · 29-10-2013 12:18AM

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thanks ill need it, will report back on what happens although i imagine it will be a few weeks before they write back either way

aN.Droid · 29-10-2013 04:32AM

I was previously on tus before my education and I was entitled too btea. Make sure they know that you intend on following your education next september. The way the social works is if you sign back on within 12 months you are basically on the same claim so your previous months will work for you when requesting btea.

My btea application was accepted without a fight.

ForeverYoungx · 29-10-2013 06:57AM

Limericks wrote: »

I was previously on tus before my education and I was entitled too btea. Make sure they know that you intend on following your education next september. The way the social works is if you sign back on within 12 months you are basically on the same claim so your previous months will work for you when requesting btea.

My btea application was accepted without a fight.

I thought when you finish tus it would be a fresh application for JSA ?

zenno · 29-10-2013 07:07AM

My advice to ForeverYoungX would be to go to your local FAS office very soon, and have a chat with someone there in relation to putting yourself on a course of which you will actually like, and also gain learning skills that could get you into a decent job down the road.

Once you start a course, TUS can't bother you, as you have complied with Fas and the DSP in relation to educating yourself further to gain employment. But be warned, unless you have a very valid reason for ticking "NO" on the TUS form you will be cut off, simple as that.

If FAS ask you what sort of course you would like to do, just tell the Fas person your interests and they should find something decent for you. You can even do an on-line course if you are into learning microsoft word/excel/power-point etc...

They do have a large variety of other courses as well but you will need to go through them with the Fas person. There are on-line computer courses and there are courses that you will have to travel to, obviously, but there are plenty of different ones.

The main thing is this... Unless you have a very good explanation as to why you cannot engage in TUS they will cut you off for 9 weeks. The DSP will not allow any one to relax back till next september, they want their social welfare - live register figures showing a dramatic drop, as to how many people have left/got removed from welfare.

As I said before, better off learning something on a course of which is free of charge than doing that TUS scheme, Imo. As Arnold was once told... Get your ass to FAS before it's too late. Or was that mars

There's no way out, it's a quadruple lock-system.

zenno · 29-10-2013 07:13AM

ForeverYoungx wrote: »

I thought when you finish tus it would be a fresh application for JSA ?

It is, but the DSP will be all over you like a big dead stinky fish, and by the time you manage to clean this stinky fish smell away, they will have you on jobBridge. The social will not allow a person that has just finished TUS to go back on JSA, they will sign you up again, but only for a week or two before you are sent a letter telling you to attend a one on one with FAS in regards to getting you or anyone else fastly into some sort of employment.

ForeverYoungx · 29-10-2013 07:30AM

zenno wrote: »

My advice to ForeverYoungX would be to go to your local FAS office very soon, and have a chat with someone there in relation to putting yourself on a course of which you will actually like, and also gain learning skills that could get you into a decent job down the road.

Once you start a course, TUS can't bother you, as you have complied with Fas and the DSP in relation to educating yourself further to gain employment. But be warned, unless you have a very valid reason for ticking "NO" on the TUS form you will be cut off, simple as that.

If FAS ask you what sort of course you would like to do, just tell the Fas person your interests and they should find something decent for you. You can even do an on-line course if you are into learning microsoft word/excel/power-point etc...

They do have a large variety of other courses as well but you will need to go through them with the Fas person. There are on-line computer courses and there are courses that you will have to travel to, obviously, but there are plenty of different ones.

The main thing is this... Unless you have a very good explanation as to why you cannot engage in TUS they will cut you off for 9 weeks. The DSP will not allow any one to relax back till next september, they want their social welfare - live register figures showing a dramatic drop, as to how many people have left/got removed from welfare.

As I said before, better off learning something on a course of which is free of charge than doing that TUS scheme, Imo. As Arnold was once told... Get your ass to FAS before it's too late. Or was that mars

There's no way out, it's a quadruple lock-system.

thanks for the help. whats the story with FAS, am i still on social welfare or do i switch to a fas payment then freshly apply to SW for jobseekers when i finish the fas course?

zenno · 29-10-2013 07:48AM

ForeverYoungx wrote: »

thanks for the help. whats the story with FAS, am i still on social welfare or do i switch to a fas payment then freshly apply to SW for jobseekers when i finish the fas course?

Yes, you will still be paid from the social welfare with JSA payment as normal while doing the course, but you will get a travel allowance and a meal allowance, but it's not much, I think it's €12.00 per week if you only have to travel 10 miles but it's more if you have to travel further. If you do an on-line course then there is no extra benefits obviously.

Actually, as far as I know, if you are doing a course of which is not on-line, and say you have to travel to a place to do the course 9am to 4pm, then i think they pay you on a different system, and when you finish the course you have to sign on again for JSA. I am currently doing an on-line course of which lasts 14 weeks but my JSA payment is the same, and when I finish this course i will not have to re-register with JSA. I do have another course already set up after this one that is not an on-line one so i'm sure that when I start this other course I will be paid differently and will have to sign back on the register there-after if I haven't gained employment.

ForeverYoungx · 29-10-2013 11:11AM

zenno wrote: »

Yes, you will still be paid from the social welfare with JSA payment as normal while doing the course, but you will get a travel allowance and a meal allowance, but it's not much, I think it's €12.00 per week if you only have to travel 10 miles but it's more if you have to travel further. If you do an on-line course then there is no extra benefits obviously.

Actually, as far as I know, if you are doing a course of which is not on-line, and say you have to travel to a place to do the course 9am to 4pm, then i think they pay you on a different system, and when you finish the course you have to sign on again for JSA. I am currently doing an on-line course of which lasts 14 weeks but my JSA payment is the same, and when I finish this course i will not have to re-register with JSA. I do have another course already set up after this one that is not an on-line one so i'm sure that when I start this other course I will be paid differently and will have to sign back on the register there-after if I haven't gained employment.

thanks so much for all of your help. The FAS course I was thinking about doing is actually one of the online courses, those relate more to what I want to do in the future and I think will benefit me the best. just need to get onto FAS for more info about it

Fred Swanson · 29-10-2013 11:17AM

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29-10-2013 11:20AM

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TUS like FAS CE schemes ARE taken into consideration for BTEA.
Please, just GO to your Welfare/FAS office and discuss this with them. They are not all ogres and can be very helpful. If you want to go back to college, then make this clear to them, put the wheels in motion and have a decision made as to what course you are going on. Find out when you need to apply for things like BTEA, SUSI, etc. TUS people are not big bad wolves. Good Luck.

Fred Swanson · 29-10-2013 11:35AM

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aN.Droid · 29-10-2013 12:08PM

ForeverYoungx wrote: »

I thought when you finish tus it would be a fresh application for JSA ?

It may be but I am just giving my own experience. After I finished my placement I got an appointment with a higher up in the social and she sorted it all out for me.

I was put on JSA again pretty much the same week and my claim for btea was approved without hassle.

Faith+1 · 29-10-2013 12:28PM

ForeverYoungx wrote: »

I thought when you finish tus it would be a fresh application for JSA ?

No, your payment is transferred asap. It's not treated as a fresh claim as you didn't sign off for employment or other factors.

Fred Swanson · 29-10-2013 12:30PM

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Faith+1 · 29-10-2013 12:32PM

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Yes, a friend of mine did Tus for 5 months and left for college without any hassle from the soical or their Tus supervisor. The DSP don't care what people do as long as they're not sitting on their hole doing nothing.

Fred Swanson · 29-10-2013 12:34PM

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aN.Droid · 29-10-2013 12:34PM

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Yes, that's precisely what I did. Was on placement for 4-5 months and dropped it for education.

ForeverYoungx · 29-10-2013 03:10PM

Limericks wrote: »

It may be but I am just giving my own experience. After I finished my placement I got an appointment with a higher up in the social and she sorted it all out for me.

I was put on JSA again pretty much the same week and my claim for btea was approved without hassle.

if thats the case I wouldn't mind doing it so much, so long as im not picking up rubbish on the street all week. but don't want it to prevent me from working on my education in september

ForeverYoungx · 29-10-2013 03:13PM

Faith+1 wrote: »

No, your payment is transferred asap. It's not treated as a fresh claim as you didn't sign off for employment or other factors.

I thought i read somewhere that it gets treated as a fresh claim once you finish TUS because tus is considered employment

Fred Swanson · 29-10-2013 03:15PM

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Faith+1 · 29-10-2013 03:28PM

ForeverYoungx wrote: »

I thought i read somewhere that it gets treated as a fresh claim once you finish TUS because tus is considered employment

You're given a letter from your Tus supervisor that you completed your placement (Like a good wee lad) and your JSA is payed the following week .i.e Back week.

29-10-2013 07:45PM

ForeverYoungx wrote: »

I thought i read somewhere that it gets treated as a fresh claim once you finish TUS because tus is considered employment

The only way it may affect you is if you are claiming for a student between the ages of 18 and 22. Otherwise you get the same rate.

Fred Swanson · 30-10-2013 11:16PM

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Annasopra · 31-10-2013 09:32AM

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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This is not correct information Fred.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/back_to_education/back_to_education_allowance.html

http://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/353_Back-to-Education-Allowance.aspx

TUS Programme

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