Scumbags

Red Nissan · 28-10-2013 06:21PM

Ghost Buster wrote: »

Oh and its not a parable. A parable is a story which illustrates a point. You were generalising to illustrate an incorrect claim.

We don't have hard figures but watching the turnover of disabled spaces indicates that they are underused for their specified task.

Also the indicators are that these spaces tend to have a quick turnover so are never denied to a disabled driver, except by other disabled drivers shopping for longer periods.

General car spaces have occupancy figures that can be studied in bigger complexes and a Supermarket has an occupancy of a little over an hour, a cinema three hours, hair dressers three hours and so on.

Dtp1979 · 28-10-2013 06:23PM

Amalgam wrote: »

You can be walking handicapped. As in, get a display with a condition like Parkinson's. The symptoms can have you walking normally one day, or like a statue the next, depending on how well you're sticking to your medication timetable.

And no sticker?

Ghost Buster · 28-10-2013 06:24PM

Red Nissan wrote: »

We don't have hard figures but watching the turnover of disabled spaces indicates that they are underused for their specified task.

Also the indicators are that these spaces tend to have a quick turnover so are never denied to a disabled driver, except by other disabled drivers shopping for longer periods.

General car spaces have occupancy figures that can be studied in bigger complexes and a Supermarket has an occupancy of a little over an hour, a cinema three hours, hair dressers three hours and so on.

So its ok for able bodied folk to park in them so long as not too many do so?
Gotcha.

Red Nissan · 28-10-2013 06:30PM

Ghost Buster wrote: »

So its ok for able bodied folk to park in them so long as not too many do so?
Gotcha.

Exactly that. And it's what happens especially in smaller local stores. As the shop owner I'd be hunting away a big slice of my business if I enforced the issue.

AND on this subject exactly, all parking spaces at local stores are owned by the store and are private property.

Leaving aside the owner who leases out his flat space to private parking and clamping companies.

Dtp1979 · 28-10-2013 06:31PM

This has gone way way off track. The point wasn't that i might have mistaken those assholes today ( I didn't ), its about people who don't need to, or have any right, taking disabled spaces. That's all that angers me.

Duck's hoop · 28-10-2013 06:32PM

Ghost Buster wrote: »

Direct quote actually.

Quote does not support your assertion.

I did at no point suggest, declare or assert that disabled parking bays should be reserved for those "wholly or almost etc".

Ghost Buster · 28-10-2013 06:32PM

Red Nissan wrote: »

Exactly that. And it's what happens especially in smaller local stores. As the shop owner I'd be hunting away a big slice of my business if I enforced the issue.

AND on this subject exactly, all parking spaces at local stores are owned by the store and are private property.

Leaving aside the owner who leases out his flat space to private parking and clamping companies.

And how and who regulates how many able bodied people get to park in the disable spaces?
As a shop owner are the disabled spaces regulated by you or are they council?

Dtp1979 · 28-10-2013 06:32PM

Red Nissan wrote: »

Exactly that. And it's what happens especially in smaller local stores. As the shop owner I'd be hunting away a big slice of my business if I enforced the issue.

AND on this subject exactly, all parking spaces at local stores are owned by the store and are private property.

Leaving aside the owner who leases out his flat space to private parking and clamping companies.

Oh you are just wrong on so many levels

Ghost Buster · 28-10-2013 06:33PM

Duck's hoop wrote: »

Quote does not support your assertion.

I did at no point suggest, declare or assert that disabled parking bays should be reserved for those "wholly or almost etc".

Several posters, myself included, have no idea what point you are trying to make I reckon.

Miss Lockhart · 28-10-2013 06:36PM

Ghost Buster wrote: »

And how and who regulates how many able bodied people get to park in the disable spaces?
As a shop owner are the disabled spaces regulated by you or are they council?

If the spaces are on private property then it is completely at tbe owner's discretion. And as I said before, many owners want to be more flexible about disabled parking spaces than sticking to badge holders only. That of course makes enforcing any regulation more difficult though.

Red Nissan · 28-10-2013 06:41PM

Ghost Buster wrote: »

As a shop owner are the disabled spaces regulated by you or are they council?

If I own the property and have my own car park, then it's me who owns the spaces. If it's a on street shop then street parking is owned by the council and they have prescribed laws to deal with their own designated parking spaces, be that disabled, ambulance, doctor, taxi or loading bays.

These parking spaces have laws ascribed to them and there are official guidelines for marking disabled spaces and notification of the fines and penalties.

These laws do not apply to private parking.

Ghost Buster · 28-10-2013 06:42PM

Red Nissan wrote: »

If I own the property and have my own car park, then it's me who owns the spaces. If it's a on street shop then street parking is owned by the council and they have prescribed laws to deal with their own designated parking spaces, be that disabled, ambulance, doctor, taxi or loading bays.

These parking spaces have laws ascribed to them and there are official guidelines for marking disabled spaces and notification of the fines and penalties.

These laws do not apply to private parking.

I asked about your ones as you stated you are a shop owner. Do you allow people to park in disabled spaces to maximise profits?

Red Nissan · 28-10-2013 06:46PM

Ghost Buster wrote: »

I asked about your ones as you stated you are a shop owner. Do you allow people to park in disabled spaces to maximise profits?

It's a cut throat business, isn't it.

The Dagda · 28-10-2013 06:47PM

flutered wrote: »

i have a habit of jamming my front bumper against their bumper, hobble off to a save vantage point, then i admire their confusion when they return, after a short while i return sit in the car and pretend to be deaf, i hand them a pen and paper, when i get their message back i send another one saying i cannot read their writing, often i pretend to have tourettes.

Cow poo!

Rasheed · 28-10-2013 06:47PM

Ghost Buster wrote: »

Well in a few years 'disabled' will be un PC. They are now 'service users' dontcha know.....

Not true even in the slightest. There is a distinction between a person with a disability, be it physical, sensory, mental or intellectual and a person with a disability that receives a service to aid them to live independently.

Service user: clue is in the title. But don't let common sense sneak up on you there.

Duck's hoop · 28-10-2013 06:50PM

Ghost Buster wrote: »

Several posters, myself included, have no idea what point you are trying to make I reckon.

My point is there are clearly two separate and legitimate groups of users of these bays.

Ambulant and non.

Ambulant users require a space close to where they're headed. They do not necessarily require the extra space which a big blue bay provides.

Non ambulant users are reliant upon a wheelchair to move about the place. In the case of an unaccompanied chair user they need to extract the chair from their car. This almost always necessitates the door to be open to its fullest angle.

Now, accepting this, I think it's not unreasonable to suggest that there be 2 types of bay and badge. A large one with sufficient space and a regular one near the door, with respective badges.

teacherhead · 28-10-2013 06:58PM

Potatoeman wrote: »

He would probably have a cane though.

If he was blind theres every chance he wouldn't be driving

Miss Lockhart · 28-10-2013 07:02PM

Duck's hoop wrote: »

My point is there are clearly two separate and legitimate groups of users of these bays.

Ambulant and non.

Ambulant users require a space close to where they're headed. They do not necessarily require the extra space which a big blue bay provides.

Non ambulant users are reliant upon a wheelchair to move about the place. In the case of an unaccompanied chair user they need to extract the chair from their car. This almost always necessitates the door to be open to its fullest angle.

Now, accepting this, I think it's not unreasonable to suggest that there be 2 types of bay and badge. A large one with sufficient space and a regular one near the door, with respective badges.

I think this would be a sensible approach to adopt and your point is clearer now. It doesn't tie in with your previous statement though about not being familiar with the criteria for qualifying for a badge and thinking it would be like the criteria for qualifying for the primary medical cert. Easy to see where the misunderstanding that you think the scheme is all about wheelchair users came from.

Rubberchikken · 28-10-2013 07:03PM

not every disability is visible.

Howard Juneau · 28-10-2013 07:40PM

teacherhead wrote: »

If he was blind theres every chance he wouldn't be driving

Did you hear the "whoosh"?

Dubl07 · 28-10-2013 08:07PM

Duck's hoop wrote: »

My point is there are clearly two separate and legitimate groups of users of these bays.

Ambulant and non.

Ambulant users require a space close to where they're headed. They do not necessarily require the extra space which a big blue bay provides.

Non ambulant users are reliant upon a wheelchair to move about the place. In the case of an unaccompanied chair user they need to extract the chair from their car. This almost always necessitates the door to be open to its fullest angle.

Now, accepting this, I think it's not unreasonable to suggest that there be 2 types of bay and badge. A large one with sufficient space and a regular one near the door, with respective badges.

Ambulant yet disabled users often have other physical problems such as arthritis, scoliosis, prosthetic limbs which mean they also need sufficient space to exit their vehicle. Let's not complicate matters. Police the existing bays and while you're at it provide sufficient convenience trolleys and wheelchair trolleys in supermarkets in the same area as the disabled parking spaces.

Perhaps additional Blue Badge spaces in the nether reaches of the supermarket for wheelchair users would be an acceptable compromise.

BabyGorilla · 28-10-2013 08:57PM

If I see 2 or 3 disabled spaces and know I can get away with it I'm taking one - Odds are theres not going to be 2 disabled drivers at the same time, definitely not 3. If there are ...well ... you deserve it for being an awkward bstard.

Dtp1979 · 28-10-2013 09:03PM

BabyGorilla wrote: »

If I see 2 or 3 disabled spaces and know I can get away with it I'm taking one - Odds are theres not going to be 2 disabled drivers at the same time, definitely not 3. If there are ...well ... you deserve it for being an awkward bstard.

Not if there was ten empty disabled spaces would I take one. Maybe I just don't wanna look like a prick

keeponhurling · 28-10-2013 09:10PM

I once tackled one of these scumbags.
As he walked into the shop I said hey, you parked there and you're not disabled, what's your deal?

He said he was disabled.

I said that he looked fine to me, didn't see any cane or wheelchair or anything. He looked healthy.
So I asked what his disability was, he shouted

I'VE GOT TOURETTE'S - now F@CK OFF!

billy2012 · 28-10-2013 09:12PM

keeponhurling wrote: »

I once tackled one of these scumbags.
As he walked into the shop I said hey, you parked there and you're not disabled, what's your deal?

He said he was disabled.

I said that he looked fine to me, didn't see any cane or wheelchair or anything. He looked healthy.
So I asked what his disability was, he shouted

I'VE GOT TOURETTE'S - now F@CK OFF!

Ya got there before me!!!

blueser · 28-10-2013 09:13PM

Morally, I think it stinks when ''able bodied'' people who can walk a reasonable distance unaided park in a designated space. But obviously, they don't give a flying fcuk about less fortunate people than themselves whose need for that space is greater than theirs.

GT_TDI_150 · 28-10-2013 09:14PM

Dtp1979 wrote: »

Cause I saw the fcukers walk away from the car. Just pure ignorance and laziness cause its closer to the building

Ive a condition in one eye that could have me availing of a disability sticker.(but i dont) so i guess theres others with not so visible impairements that entitle them to a dissability sticker ...

Dont be soo quick to judge

BabyGorilla · 28-10-2013 09:14PM

Dtp1979 wrote: »

Not if there was ten empty disabled spaces would I take one. Maybe I just don't wanna look like a prick

You can't always get what you want.

NegativeCreep · 28-10-2013 09:21PM

Is it really that bad of a thing to do? Seriously like, it's not murder. I don't drive but if I did I'd probably consider it if there were loads of disabled parking spaces and all the regular spaces were full.

Magnetics · 28-10-2013 09:34PM

Taking disabled spaces is definitely a scummy thing to do

Now those mother and child spaces, they're fair game!

Scumbags

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