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why would you send your kids off to these teenage discos?

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  • #62
    Cody Pomeray
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    Czarcasm wrote: »
    Because Cody as FF points out - at some point you have to trust your children, or show them that you trust them, you've done your best to guide them this far in life and you have to let them off the leash a little, let them learn to make some mistakes and hope that you'll have instilled in them the tools to be able to cope with the consequences of their actions.
    But a lot of these kids look between 14 and 16.

    I don't advocate wrapping kids in cotton wool, not by a long shot. I think it's a shame kids aren't allowed in pubs a bit later, to socialize in a healthy way with their parents and other kids their age, like I'm sure many of us did.

    Or if you really want to send your kid off to a disco, send them to one you think is a little better managed. The Wezz is pretty notorious, and judging by the amount of alcohol being openly consumed around the area tonight, I don't believe its reputation is undeserved.
    errlloyd wrote: »
    I actually think one of the reasons Wezz has survived so long is because its relatively tame...

    In summary, unless you're going to ban teenage discos
    Nobody would suggest banning all teenage discos. I only refer to the ones that have a particularly obscene/ drink reputation, and will naturally be attractive to the kids whose parents just don't give a fcuk, and who aggravate the situation. Why would a responsible parent not just send their kids elsewhere, to one that doesn't have that rep?


  • #63
    Czarcasm
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    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    Wonder how true that is though.


    I'm going to go out on a limb here and say it's incredibly rare, so rare in fact that while the Sindo/Herald/Metro/<insert your tabloid of choice here that runs these teen hysteria stories every so often> has no evidence of it ever happening, but just decides to throw it in there anyway because they heard that's what happens, not to mention of course that all the girls wear their knickers on their wrists like scrunchys and many other urban tales of teenage debauchery.

    Yeh I reckon that too.


    I reckon it was because we didn't have as much time on our hands as teenagers do nowadays. More time on their hands means more time to get up to silly shìt.


  • #64
    Czarcasm
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    Cody Pomeray wrote: »
    Or if you really want to send your kid off to a disco, send them to one you think is a little better managed. The Wezz is pretty notorious, and judging by the amount of alcohol being openly consumed around the area tonight, I don't believe its reputation is undeserved.


    The Wezz' reputation is only just that, a reputation built on notoriety. The very same as CFJ's reputation is built on notoriety. Neither of them are any different to teenage discos and nightclubs up and down the country, but because most media is Dublin based, well, they don't have to travel far for inspiration for their ill informed articles.


  • #65
    McCongo
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    Cody Pomeray wrote: »
    Why would a responsible parent not just send their kids elsewhere, to one that doesn't have that rep?

    Parents don't send their kids to a disco. Their children want to go. Quite a lot of parents are too soft to ensure their children don't engage in unacceptable behaviour.


  • #66
    Howard Juneau
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    McCongo wrote: »
    Parents don't send their kids to a disco. Their children want to go. Quite a lot of parents are too soft to ensure their children don't engage in unacceptable behaviour.

    Would you rather the parents were hard?


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  • #67
    Femme_Fatale
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    They're teenagers, not small children - their parents can't keep tabs on everywhere they go, so I wouldn't be quick to blame the parents in fairness. All they have to say is they're going to their friends' houses, the cinema etc.


  • #68
    P_1
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    cruais wrote: »
    I use to go to wezz when I was 16.... It was really a school year night out everytime you went.

    That was 13/14 years ago and it was just the same back then as it is now.

    My school put a ban on any pupil attending the disco, however I didn't see what they could do about it since it was held outside school hours, until one night while queuing, my P.E teacher and principle walked along the line taking names down in a black book.

    Monday morning, the phone call to the parents were doing the rounds. Unbelievable!

    Bloody hell, the school had absolutely no right to be doing that. What their students get up to outside school hours when not wearing their school uniforms is frankly none of their business.


  • #69
    McCongo
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    Howard Juneau wrote: »
    Would you rather the parents were hard?
    So you don't allow a teenager to walk around drunk,drugged, looking like a tart and engaging in questionable sexual activities and you are hard?


  • #70
    Firefox11
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    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    It was very like this one, but there was no rubber duckies on it, it was just a few Daffys. I was one suave youngfella in those days.

    I going to really show my age here but i thought I thought I was a really hip teen back in the 80's with one of these.:o

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  • #71
    Cody Pomeray
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    Czarcasm wrote: »
    The Wezz' reputation is only just that, a reputation built on notoriety. The very same as CFJ's reputation is built on notoriety. Neither of them are any different to teenage discos and nightclubs up and down the country, but because most media is Dublin based, well, they don't have to travel far for inspiration for their ill informed articles.
    I have never been to the wezz as a teenager so I can't comment. I do know that local discos were certainly not all the same when I was this age. Some discos, my classmates knew they could sneak drink in, others were known to be stricter.

    Going by what I see when the wezz is on, I don't think there is any reason to think it's as tame as all the rest. I've never known any other disco with a consistent Garda presence. I've never known any other teenage disco to leave so many vodka and spirits bottles in an area. Teenage discos happen all the time, we just don't usually notice them.

    It's the bad ones that get noticed, and it would be naive to believe that bad kids don't get drawn to them.
    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    They're teenagers, not small children - their parents can't keep tabs on everywhere they go, so I wouldn't be quick to blame the parents in fairness. All they have to say is they're going to their friends' houses, the cinema etc.
    This is true, I guess my confusion would be directed toward the parents who drive the kids there.


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  • #72
    Howard Juneau
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    McCongo wrote: »
    So you don't allow a teenager to walk around drunk,drugged, looking like a tart and engaging in questionable sexual activities and you are hard?

    Maybe I would be if they did


  • #73
    errlloyd
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    There are two main reasons for higher garda presence IMO

    The first is that the Wez is literally across the street from D/Brooke garda station, which isn't massively busy around that time anyway.

    The second is probably to babysit the posh kids. Certainly in my experience in Wezz the guards were mostly there to make sure no one got hit by cars.


  • #74
    Czarcasm
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    P_1 wrote: »
    Bloody hell, the school had absolutely no right to be doing that. What their students get up to outside school hours when not wearing their school uniforms is frankly none of their business.


    That may be subject to change in the near future P - Students of a particular school, whether in or out of uniform, will be responsible for not bringing the school into disrepute, or rather their parents will be made responsible.

    It's only something I heard is being discussed (I did try and Google for a backup source before posting this, but mobile is no good for this sort of thing), maybe someone here who knows what I'm talking about could help me out or correct me?


  • #75
    Rayne Wooney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,134 ✭✭✭✭Rayne Wooney


    timthumbni wrote: »
    My children will be locked in until they are 21. Then they will be allowed to go to the local shop to buy milk each day. That is it. We won't be raising any harlotans around here.

    This is a local town... For local people.


    That dancing malark needs to go as well, remember those kids coming back drunk from that disco who died in a car crash. Stuff of the devil, it's rightly banned in this town.


  • #76
    P_1
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    Czarcasm wrote: »
    That may be subject to change in the near future P - Students of a particular school, whether in or out of uniform, will be responsible for not bringing the school into disrepute, or rather their parents will be made responsible.

    It's only something I heard is being discussed (I did try and Google for a backup source before posting this, but mobile is no good for this sort of thing), maybe someone here who knows what I'm talking about could help me out or correct me?

    How on earth would that be enforceable though? I mean bringing a school into disrepute is sure as subjective as you can get.


  • #77
    CramCycle
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    Cody Pomeray wrote: »
    I would say it is not 'protecting' your children to endorse their socializing in some notorious disco where 14 year olds are routinely getting drunk, fingered, or worse, and coming to the attention of the Gardaí, who clearly have to keep an eye on the place, while you go home and hope nothing bad happens.
    it's no different than any other teenage disco, my daughter has just grown out of it, we used to laugh at people as we waited for her mates to arrive. No idea how many drank but it was only ever seemed a small percentage that were messes. Gardai were just out for a stroll and to ensure that the cars coming through didn't hit the tip toeing, looking younger than I am by trying to dress older than I am fools.
    Cody Pomeray wrote: »
    But it's a big gamble to take. I've had friends who came from normal, stable homes and went off the rails when they fell in with the wrong people. I'm sure we all know people like that. Why would parents risk it?
    Because those people will go off the rails anyway, hopefully if you see it at 16 you'll still be there to guide them back as opposed to 21 when they won't give a toss and won't be forced too.
    Cody Pomeray wrote: »
    Why would a responsible parent not just send their kids elsewhere, to one that doesn't have that rep?
    Having done drop offs and collections at many of them, please name one that appears more suitable?
    errlloyd wrote: »
    There are two main reasons for higher garda presence IMO

    The first is that the Wez is literally across the street from D/Brooke garda station, which isn't massively busy around that time anyway.

    The second is probably to babysit the posh kids. Certainly in my experience in Wezz the guards were mostly there to make sure no one got hit by cars.
    Precisely


  • #78
    Czarcasm
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    P_1 wrote: »
    How on earth would that be enforceable though? I mean bringing a school into disrepute is sure as subjective as you can get.


    I think it's being done with the idea of combatting bullying in mind. The idea that not just should a student behave themselves in uniform outside school hours, but also I think the general gist of it is that even if they aren't wearing the uniform and they bully a child, a complaint is made to the parents and they can be suspended from school.


  • #79
    evolving_doors
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    Cody Pomeray wrote: »
    Tonight outside the Wezz disco; let me set the scene: streams of fake tan and Smirnoff spilling into the gutter; school girls, tarted up like Katie Price on a hen night and shrieking at young lads, Justin Bieber on benefits types.

    In the orange glow of a streetlight, two mortified sweethearts gave their particulars to a big country Guard. An expressionless mother, clutching her keys, waited patiently by her car. A constant row of cars dispatched shrill, scarcely dressed teens in miniskirts. Many drunk.

    The notoriety of this disco is well known. The Gardaí had a visible presence there tonight, yet none of the parents seemed bothered.

    For the record, the accents were a broad mix. Working class, D4, whatever.

    What kind of parent, knowing the reputation of this place, sends away their teenager, then drives home in time for the late late?

    I'm sure this was happening all over the country tonight, in other towns, in other discos. How can parents not be alive to the dangers of exposing their kids to this sort of lifestyle? Am I being a prude? Is this irresponsible parenting?

    Keep going and you could get aired on Sunday Miscellany...lovely writing..

    But ya the youth of today ...terrible..I blame the parents etc. yawn


  • #80
    evolving_doors
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    Czarcasm wrote: »
    I think it's being done with the idea of combatting bullying in mind. The idea that not just should a student behave themselves in uniform outside school hours, but also I think the general gist of it is that even if they aren't wearing the uniform and they bully a child, a complaint is made to the parents and they can be suspended from school.

    I think you heard that rumour from a voice in your head....what a load of tosh


  • #81
    Teyla Emmagan
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    My non existent kids will never set foot in the Wezz. There will be no going anywhere with alcohol or fingerings involved in fact, not until they're about 47.


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  • #82
    Sunnyisland
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    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    There was an article in the Sunday World a few years ago about the teenage discos, it mentioned that "snowballing" was a common event.

    I never heard of it so looked it up........

    I think most of us drank before we were supposed to but not to the same extent as these days because we hadn't the money, a fiver back then might have to last the night.

    :P The Sunday World, I wouldn't believe the Soccer results printed in it ;)


  • #83
    P_1
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    Czarcasm wrote: »
    I think it's being done with the idea of combatting bullying in mind. The idea that not just should a student behave themselves in uniform outside school hours, but also I think the general gist of it is that even if they aren't wearing the uniform and they bully a child, a complaint is made to the parents and they can be suspended from school.

    Dunno about that to be honest, I'd be reasonably sure that a decent lawyer could poke significant holes in that and it would end up doing more harm than good


  • #84
    Noo
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    I think its been said already pretty much...if kids are going to go down the wrong path theyll do it anyway, these discos wont make a difference and neither will locking your kids up til they're 21.

    My classmates would go to wezz (about 10 years ago now), and i probably wouldve been allowed too but I just had no interest in all that...id heard all the stories monday morning in school and be relieved that I never went. Not all kids are into that carry on and those that are are probably more sensible about it than you think. My classmates who went are now doctors, engineers, nurses, accountants etc. Then of course there are those you get themselves into all sorts of trouble, pregnacy drugs etc... but they're the type that you knew itd happen to anyway...disco or no disco.


  • #85
    caustic 1
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    I am one of those parents who dropped their children off to outings last night, 15 yr old to a disco in another town with his pals starting at 9 over at 12.30. He is well aware how he is expected to behave and the consequences if he doesn't. Another parent did the return route and he was home around 1 in the same state he left buoyant after a good night out. The other child 17 I left to a birthday party in a house where yes there was alcohol. He was to be home around 3 rang me at 3.10 to say one of the girls had too much to drink (staying at a friends house, which I disagree with as I like to see how they come home) and he was seeing her home with the others and having pizza at house. I collected him at 4.30, I know was late but at same time I was glad he was looking out for friends and not just leaving them. Both are still in bed both had good nights and I have no regrets about letting them out. They know how to behave and I won't lock them up just because it's what society believes it's how all teenagers behave.


  • #86
    vibe666
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    You can't stop teenage kids from growing up and wanting to try what they see as 'grown up' things, and trying to stop them means they will inevitably go out of their way to do it anyway and lie to you about doing it.

    I'd much rather try and teach them to be at least semi-responsible about it and that if they need help or someone to talk to about it, or if the worst comes to the worst, someone to call for help, they can come to me and won't be afraid to, rather than making more bad choices to cover something up and make whatever the situation is even worse.


  • #87
    Cody Pomeray
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    errlloyd wrote: »
    The first is that the Wez is literally across the street from D/Brooke garda station, which isn't massively busy around that time anyway.
    CramCycle wrote: »
    Gardai were just out for a stroll and to ensure that the cars coming through didn't hit the tip toeing, looking younger than I am by trying to dress older than I am fools.
    But Donnybrook Garda station closes early these days, you would never usually see Gardai in Donnybrook that late. The Gardai didn't seem to be out for a walk, and they weren't stopping traffic either. I saw them taking the details of two kids, and one of the mothers had clearly been called.

    I can't imagine driving up, seeing that, then seeing the young lads with cans down around Anglesea Road bridge, and dropping off my teenage kids regardless.
    Because those people will go off the rails anyway
    But I don't think that's true. Lots of us who weren't allowed go places with a reputation for teenage drinking didn't end up as raging alcoholics. Let the kids drink at home, at your own, or your friends' house parties, that's real socialization. Let them have a bbq with their mates, alcohol allowed, and keep upstairs out of their way. Or take them somewhere that doesn't attract bad kids, that doesn't need a Garda presence, that doesn't leave a village waking up to vomit, cans and spirit bottles that might be more expected outside Coppers. This is a teenage disco, it's wrong to give kids the impression that this kind of drinking is ok, or that seeing it is an inevitable fact of life they have to put up with if they want to enjoy themselves.
    Having done drop offs and collections at many of them, please name one that appears more suitable?
    I'm not an expert on teenage discos in Dublin! I'm pretty sure teenage discos happen all the time, they just don't tend to be noticeable.


  • #88
    Ihatecuddles-old
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    What did you get in Mao? They do a good bang bang chicken!


  • #89
    Legs.Eleven
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    Been there, done that. Great craic.


  • #90
    Czarcasm
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    Cody Pomeray wrote: »
    I'm not an expert on teenage discos in Dublin! I'm pretty sure teenage discos happen all the time, they just don't tend to be noticeable.


    There was another "notorious" nightclub in Dublin for teenagers called "Barcode" in Clontarf, and a "notorious" nightclub in Tullamore called "The Harriers" when I was a teenager... The stories that used come out of these places about things that never happened used amuse no end.

    Scantily clad girls and testosterone fuelled lads all crowded into one area and alcohol thrown into the mix, what's the worst that could happen, right? The majority of them were there to dance is what happened!

    You'll always hear about the minority of stories that are blown out of all proportion to scaremonger and put fear in people in a "won't somebody think of the children?" sort of way, but that's all it is - scaremongering. Most teenagers go to these clubs to socialise and dance, the very same as most adults will go to clubs to socialise and dance, but there will always be that minority that "everybody knows that's what goes on in there" that spoil it for everyone else.


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  • #91
    biko
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    I understand the concern but tbh I did all of that craic and it made me into the well-adjusted citizen I am today *twitches*


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