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Mech1 · 22-10-2013 10:37PM

Well done to everyone listening to the EIDW feeds, if we where not constantly in the top 50 lists, no one, even less ABC news would notice us. Great day for the feeds!

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/severe-turbulence-injures-united-airline-passengers-dublin-bound-20631549

Thanks declanfoleyirl, for the link.

Pat.

crosstownk · 23-10-2013 08:54PM

flazio wrote: »

Could someone tell me what's 'LATMO'?

LAPMO. More or less in the middle in the image. It's a waypoint on the approach to runway 28 at DUB.

Roblestone · 25-10-2013 08:54AM

Mech1 wrote: »

Well done to everyone listening to the EIDW feeds, if we where not constantly in the top 50 lists, no one, even less ABC news would notice us. Great day for the feeds!

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/severe-turbulence-injures-united-airline-passengers-dublin-bound-20631549

Thanks declanfoleyirl, for the link.

Pat.

Awesome!

Roblestone · 25-10-2013 05:26PM

Could have some interesting listening on frequency over the next few days. Starting tomorrow from 8am with winds getting up to gusts of 29kts 80 degrees off the nose (if they use rwy 28) before 1pm!

TAF EIDW 251100Z 2512/2612 20010KT 9999 SCT020 TEMPO 2512/2516 FEW018CB PROB30 TEMPO 2512/2516 SHRA BKN012 SCT018CB BECMG 2516/2518 23010KT PROB40 TEMPO 2521/2601 -SHRA BKN012 BECMG 2600/2603 27013KT BECMG 2604/2606 23008KT BECMG 2607/2609 22014G25KT BECMG 2610/2612 20018G29KT=

Also had a look at the surface pressure chart, Sunday evening looks like it will be fun

Hope the Aerial is well strapped up

Mech1 · 25-10-2013 05:33PM

Looks like we will find out if a chrome metal curtain pole is strong enough for a mast. I admit I'm slightly worried. Although the way the Rg213 coax is routed should act as a safety line, so I don't expect it to hit terrafirma

Mech1 · 25-10-2013 09:42PM

Im gonna tighten up the feed a little in advance of this weather coming in, so op's will be gone and maybe a few others, gotta concentrate more on the landings for a day or two.

Pat.

Roblestone · 25-10-2013 10:09PM

Mech1 wrote: »

Im gonna tighten up the feed a little in advance of this weather coming in, so op's will be gone and maybe a few others, gotta concentrate more on the landings for a day or two.

Pat.

Ops can be interesting in sh1tty weather! A lot of the time flight crews will consult with ops as to "what they are going to do next if they don't make it this time" or "where is open that will accept us?"

Mech1 · 25-10-2013 11:19PM

I have "doubled up" on the Approach /Tower freq, that means I have inserted the freq twice on the scan list, start and middle. This should mean we get less missed tx from those freq.

Roblestone · 25-10-2013 11:42PM

Mech1 wrote: »

I have "doubled up" on the Approach /Tower freq, that means I have inserted the freq twice on the scan list, start and middle. This should mean we get less missed tx from those freq.

Very clever idea! Cheers Pat!

Roblestone · 26-10-2013 03:55AM

(DUBLIN) TAF EIDW 252300Z 2600/2624 25012KT 9999 SCT010 BKN030 TEMPO 2600/2601 -DZ BKN012 BECMG 2604/2606 22010KT BECMG 2609/2611 20019G29KT TEMPO 2612/2614 20025G39KT TEMPO 2612/2615 5000 RA BKN010 BECMG 2614/2616 23018G28KT BECMG 2615/2617 24015KT BECMG 2619/2621 21015KT BECMG 2622/2624 19020G30KT=

Latest TAF... For those that can't translate.... Ill sum it up for you.... It's going to be SH1TTY! Between 1pm and 3pm is forecast to be the worst with gusts up to 39kts from 200 degrees combined with rain and visibility reducing to 5000m. The whole day from 10am is going to be interesting for us, not so much for the passengers on the planes though so hopefully all will go well and there is nothing more serious than a few go arounds!

Pilots, it's now time to justify your salaries

urajoke · 26-10-2013 08:04AM

Won't be as bad as you think. That's 16 weather and the wind is not that bad vis is fine as well. Light drizzle and occasional moderate rain.

It would be interesting if it was 220-230 degrees and gusting 40-50+ kt's.

Come back in the winter months when proper winter storms blow through. This is just a limber up remember the techniques for the pilots wind.

FWVT · 26-10-2013 08:08AM

That's nothing, Roblestone. Totally normal stuff. You should work for the Daily Express!

Roblestone · 26-10-2013 08:38AM

FWVT wrote: »

That's nothing, Roblestone. Totally normal stuff. You should work for the Daily Express!

Gusts of 40kts normal? Really? Because all the flight planning officers in work, which i have literally left, are saying different!

The night back in March/April had wind from 230 at 23kts gusting 45kts... Can you remember what happened that night? Its the windshear factor that is going to be the issue here not so much the crosswind.

FWVT · 26-10-2013 10:39AM

Yes, I remember, my flight next morning was cancelled. But that was winds from the dreaded 220-230 and gusted much higher than 39 knots. Here are the METARs in question. Up to 22037G54 kts

METAR EIDW 180000Z 22034G50KT 9999 -RA FEW019 BKN027 BKN045 09/05 Q0990 NOSIG=
METAR EIDW 172330Z 22033G48KT 9999 FEW020 BKN028 BKN038 09/04 Q0990 NOSIG=
METAR EIDW 172300Z 22033G48KT 9999 -SHRA FEW020 BKN027 BKN035 09/05 Q0990 NOSIG=
METAR EIDW 172230Z 22036G48KT 9999 -SHRA FEW019CB SCT028 BKN035 09/05 Q0990 NOSIG=
METAR EIDW 172200Z 22034G50KT 9999 -SHRA FEW019CB SCT028 BKN035 09/05 Q0989 NOSIG=
METAR EIDW 172130Z 22037G54KT 9999 FEW018 SCT027 BKN035 10/05 Q0989 NOSIG=
METAR EIDW 172100Z 22034G50KT 9999 -SHRA FEW018 SCT028 BKN035 10/06 Q0989 NOSIG=
METAR EIDW 172030Z 21032G52KT 9999 FEW017 SCT026 BKN030 10/05 Q0988 NOSIG=

The TAF you posted earlier would not cause problems. Maybe those in the office were influenced by your reaction?

No.username · 26-10-2013 12:58PM

Just after turning on the feed and heard the controller tell an aircraft that there had just been two go-arounds and to hold at KEROV ( spelling?) they have now switched runways . Anybody listening in tell me why? Did something happen on 10/28 or is it due to the winds?

crosstownk · 26-10-2013 02:37PM

EIN62R just gone around now and requested runway 28 for next attempt.

FWVT · 26-10-2013 02:39PM

The LiveATC audio is around 20-30 seconds behind flightradar24

crosstownk · 26-10-2013 02:41PM

FWVT wrote: »

The LiveATC audio is around 20-30 seconds behind flightradar24

Yeah. That can happen. Sometimes if you refresh the feed it can alter the delay (either way).

Probably the wind

FWVT · 26-10-2013 02:46PM

A bit of a mess there with the wind switching back to R28. Two aircraft abandoned approach for 16. Still only gusting 31 knots from 240

crosstownk · 26-10-2013 02:49PM

EIN523 diverted to Aldergrove. Fuel may have played a part in that decision.

FWVT · 26-10-2013 03:14PM

Yes, he had only just been told aboit the change to 28 and he asked how long it would take as they were looking at their fuel. They hadn't even been holding at that stage so they must have been cutting it fine.

Mech1 · 26-10-2013 04:33PM

If anyones wondering, you can track the rescue heli's here
http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/

Pale blue/green/tourquois type colour

Roblestone · 26-10-2013 07:10PM

FWVT wrote: »

A bit of a mess there with the wind switching back to R28. Two aircraft abandoned approach for 16. Still only gusting 31 knots from 240

That's nothing, totally normal!

FWVT · 26-10-2013 08:33PM

Roblestone wrote: »

That's nothing, totally normal!

Ask urajoke (who seems to be an ATC at Dublin) if it was anything major. As I said, a few go-arounds due to shifting wind-direction, not speedshear. The max gust recorded all day was 19 m/s (37 knots) between 2-3 pm, with a pronounced veering at 14:36, as per the 3 pm synop.

AAXX 26141 03969 41458 82406 10096 20086 39824 49925 55031 76062 888//
333 82712 84625 87640 91119 91604=

Roblestone · 26-10-2013 08:42PM

FWVT wrote: »

Ask urajoke (who seems to be an ATC at Dublin) if it was anything major. As I said, a few go-arounds due to shifting wind-direction, not speedshear. The max gust recorded all day was 19 m/s (37 knots) between 2-3 pm, with a pronounced veering at 14:36, as per the 3 pm synop.

AAXX 26141 03969 41458 82406 10096 20086 39824 49925 55031 76062 888//
333 82712 84625 87640 91119 91604=

I never said it was going to be major, I said it would be an interesting day to be listening on frequency... Which it was!

Winds shift every day but it doesn't cause go arounds unless it is sudden wind shifts in direction.... Which guess what? Is windshear!

ICAO definition;

Wind shear is defined as a sudden change of wind velocity and/or direction.
Windshear may be vertical or horizontal, or a mixture of both types. ICAO defines the vertical and horizontal components of wind shear as follows:

Vertical wind shear is defined as change of horizontal wind direction and/or speed with height, as would be determined by means of two or more anemometers mounted at different heights on a single mast.

Horizontal wind shear is defined as change of horizontal wind direction and/or speed with horizontal distance, as would be determined by two or more anemometers mounted at the same height along a runway.

FWVT · 26-10-2013 09:06PM

Roblestone wrote: »

I never said it was going to be major, I said it would be an interesting day to be listening on frequency... Which it was!

Winds shift every day but it doesn't cause go arounds unless it is sudden wind shifts in direction.... Which guess what? Is windshear!

ICAO definition;

Wind shear is defined as a sudden change of wind velocity and/or direction.
Windshear may be vertical or horizontal, or a mixture of both types. ICAO defines the vertical and horizontal components of wind shear as follows:

Vertical wind shear is defined as change of horizontal wind direction and/or speed with height, as would be determined by means of two or more anemometers mounted at different heights on a single mast.

Horizontal wind shear is defined as change of horizontal wind direction and/or speed with horizontal distance, as would be determined by two or more anemometers mounted at the same height along a runway.

Yes, winds shift many days, and today was another such day. There is a difference between randomly-varying winds and veering due to a frontal passage, which is what today was. First the backing this morning from the warm front, then the veering with the cold front. A pain in the ass but for me it rates about a 3 out of 10 on the "listengingonfrequencyability" scale! I've heard many more exciting days than this. The most interesting part for me was how soon EI523 started making noise about its fuel situation when it was only at Slane, just about to start its normal approach for 16. they said they could only hold for a max of 10 minutes and then almost immediately went to Aldergrove. That to me seems to be too close. All others in front of it were vectored directly for 28 with no holding and landed without incident.

http://archive-server.liveatc.net/eidw/EIDW3-Oct-26-2013-1330Z.mp3

Mech1 · 27-10-2013 07:04PM

Even with the strong enough wind and rain here today it all seems to have been taken in their stride at EIDW. Needs a bit more effort from mother nature to take down my antenna also. All good.

sofar

Pat.

urajoke · 27-10-2013 07:29PM

Mech1 wrote: »

Even with the strong enough wind and rain here today it all seems to have been taken in their stride at EIDW. Needs a bit more effort from mother nature to take down my antenna also. All good.

sofar

Pat.

The wind needs to be split 60degrees or so between 28 and 16 and gusting 40+ kt's to be of interest or 50+ for less of a crosswind to cause trouble.

Even less of a gust lower down can force a go around if it's in the less couple of miles if it causes the aircraft to become unstable.

Don't worry there will be another major Atlantic storm along shortly I'm sure that will prove good listening. Plus many days of fog and possibly snow that will as usual cause a shutdown.

Strumms · 27-10-2013 10:40PM

just landed on 28 on the 485 from Lisbon. quite a pleasant flight and very very minimal chop on approach although I believe later things might be a bit more interesting but the forecast seems tosuggest little of the go around and holding action that the initial weather antipated..

Strumms · 27-10-2013 11:08PM

just landed on 28 on the 485 from Lisbon. quite a pleasant flight and very very minimal chop on approach although I believe later things might be a bit more interesting but the forecast seems tosuggest little of the go around and holding action that the initial weather antipated..

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