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My Swedish experience

  • 24-10-2013 04:36AM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,477 ✭✭✭grenache


    I'm a big fan of Europe, and our fellow Europeans. I have made friends across a wide spectrum of countries, from France to Ukraine, from Italy to Denmark. I've met warm lovely people from all countries and some assholes too. I regularly travel to Italy, and for me the best part about it is the warmth of the people there. Yes the scenery is stunning, the history, cuisine and weather too, but it's the people that really make the place. In the south particularly they are lovely and so welcoming. I've also had many positive experiences in Paris despite what people say about Parisians. I've never gone to a place thinking that everyone will be warm and welcoming, but you always hope that you'll meet enough decent folk to make your trip worthwhile.

    I recently traveled to Sweden for the first time. I knew of the Swedes' reserved manner and shyness, as i lived with a Swedish guy a few years back and also worked with a few more. So i wasn't expecting people to be very out-going, but still i had basic expectations. But what i experienced there was not shyness or reserved emotion, it was just anti-social rudeness. The "hospitality" there is as warm as the weather. The whole experience really put me off the country. Some of the things i experienced:

    1. Asking several people in both Stockholm and Gothenburg for directions, but being met by blank stares before they walked away ignoring me. This happened 3 times! And these were young students i asked, not old folks.

    2. "Please" and "Thank You" do not exist in Swedish vocabulary. Holding the door open for someone in a shop, or giving a seat up for an older person on a bus is not even acknowledged. Any time i went to buy something in a shop, i never once heard a "hello" or "thank you" of any kind from the sales assistant. In fact even having someone make eye contact with you was a big ask! I was just made to feel uneasy and not welcome. People staring at you because you are a foreigner was common place too, and then if you went to smile back or salute they just look away as quick as possible. Swedes have very good English but are very reluctant to speak it with you. They'd rather pretend that they do not understand you.

    3. The Swedish girl and guy i was staying with, who i knew through friends in Dublin, continued the trend. I couldn't get a laugh out of them, it was difficult to even get a smile. It was like living with robots for the five days. It was as if they could not show emotion.

    Me and my friend were in a pub one of the nights when she went as far as to discuss what i earnt in my job with her boyfriend, in front of me and my friend! She criticised me for not earning enough! To say i was gobsmacked was an understatement. Surely that's a big no-no in any culture?!! She in particular was obsessed with talking about money, how much she was earning, the rich guys she had dated in the past, etc. Together they ate out every day, they never cooked at home. They had no understanding of the value of money!

    The two of them never stopped criticising how things worked (or didn't work) in Ireland - the "everything works perfect in Sweden" was their favourite line. It became tiresome to listen to it. At the party we went to with them, they never introduced us to their friends, we had to do it ourselves. Even then, both of them and their friends tried their best to ignore us for the night. So much for making guest feel welcome!

    4. People going nuts over a bus or train being one minute late!! I mean jesus christ! And don't get me started about people charging onto the train when the doors open, giving no chance for people to get off first. As with basic manners, orderly queues don't exist in Sweden.



    Now, maybe i'm being too harsh on the place, perhaps i had too high of an expectation. But i honestly don't think so. I know people will say it's their "culture" and that its different to ours, but i honestly think that bull. I've been to their neighours when i visited Copenhagen, and although people are a little reserved there too, they are positively charming when compared to the Swedes i met. And they are polite too. I know there are nice Swedish people, and maybe i was unlucky in who i met or the places i travelled to - i've been told Stockholm is full of a$$holes anyway. Now i've got an invitation to return in December but am not really considering going back.

    Should i give Sweden another chance? I've googled terms such as "Swedish hospitality" or "Swedish rudeness" and the results are anything but an endorsement of the country, so it appears that i am not alone in my complaint about the place.


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Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Go for a sauna, I'm sure Sweden's charms will become apparent.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,396 ✭✭✭Frosty McSnowballs


    Yeah but did you get meatballs in IKEA?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,477 ✭✭✭grenache


    MadsL wrote: »
    Go for a sauna, I'm sure Sweden's charms will become apparent.
    I don't care how good looking they are, if they have personalities of a stone!
    Yeah but did you get meatballs in IKEA?

    Already did that in Ballymun :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,396 ✭✭✭Frosty McSnowballs


    grenache wrote: »
    Already did that in Ballymun :)

    Posh bastard! :)


  • Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 21,505 Mod ✭✭✭✭Agent Smith


    I lived with a sweedish girl for a while and she was lovely and was always polite.

    Different folks, and all that


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,675 ✭✭✭hidinginthebush


    grenache wrote: »
    Me and my friend were in a pub one of the nights when she went as far as to discuss what i earnt in my job with her boyfriend, in front of me and my friend! She criticised me for not earning enough! To say i was gobsmacked was an understatement. Surely that's a big no-no in any culture?!! She in particular was obsessed with talking about money, how much she was earning, the rich guys she had dated in the past, etc. Together they ate out every day, they never cooked at home. They had no understanding of the value of money!

    I think you were just stuck with a materialistic geebag TBH :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,477 ✭✭✭grenache


    I think you were just stuck with a materialistic geebag TBH :mad:

    Well yes, and i can allow for that, but it's the every day rudeness i experienced from people in general that annoyed me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 127 ✭✭TheHighest92


    that's the Vikings for you

    http://armigatus.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/swedish-girls.jpg

    swedish women excite me


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,687 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    You went over to meet Swedes and got turnips.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,477 ✭✭✭grenache


    You went over to meet Swedes and got turnips.
    I see what you did there :)


    turnips have more personality than the people i encountered.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,636 ✭✭✭maninasia


    grenache wrote: »
    I'm a big fan of Europe, and our fellow Europeans. I have made friends across a wide spectrum of countries, from France to Ukraine, from Italy to Denmark. I've met warm lovely people from all countries and some assholes too. I regularly travel to Italy, and for me the best part about it is the warmth of the people there. Yes the scenery is stunning, the history, cuisine and weather too, but it's the people that really make the place. In the south particularly they are lovely and so welcoming. I've also had many positive experiences in Paris despite what people say about Parisians. I've never gone to a place thinking that everyone will be warm and welcoming, but you always hope that you'll meet enough decent folk to make your trip worthwhile.

    I recently traveled to Sweden for the first time. I knew of the Swedes' reserved manner and shyness, as i lived with a Swedish guy a few years back and also worked with a few more. So i wasn't expecting people to be very out-going, but still i had basic expectations. But what i experienced there was not shyness or reserved emotion, it was just anti-social rudeness. The "hospitality" there is as warm as the weather. The whole experience really put me off the country. Some of the things i experienced:

    1. Asking several people in both Stockholm and Gothenburg for directions, but being met by blank stares before they walked away ignoring me. This happened 3 times! And these were young students i asked, not old folks.

    2. "Please" and "Thank You" do not exist in Swedish vocabulary. Holding the door open for someone in a shop, or giving a seat up for an older person on a bus is not even acknowledged. Any time i went to buy something in a shop, i never once heard a "hello" or "thank you" of any kind from the sales assistant. In fact even having someone make eye contact with you was a big ask! I was just made to feel uneasy and not welcome. People staring at you because you are a foreigner was common place too, and then if you went to smile back or salute they just look away as quick as possible. Swedes have very good English but are very reluctant to speak it with you. They'd rather pretend that they do not understand you.

    3. The Swedish girl and guy i was staying with, who i knew through friends in Dublin, continued the trend. I couldn't get a laugh out of them, it was difficult to even get a smile. It was like living with robots for the five days. It was as if they could not show emotion.

    Me and my friend were in a pub one of the nights when she went as far as to discuss what i earnt in my job with her boyfriend, in front of me and my friend! She criticised me for not earning enough! To say i was gobsmacked was an understatement. Surely that's a big no-no in any culture?!! She in particular was obsessed with talking about money, how much she was earning, the rich guys she had dated in the past, etc. Together they ate out every day, they never cooked at home. They had no understanding of the value of money!

    The two of them never stopped criticising how things worked (or didn't work) in Ireland - the "everything works perfect in Sweden" was their favourite line. It became tiresome to listen to it. At the party we went to with them, they never introduced us to their friends, we had to do it ourselves. Even then, both of them and their friends tried their best to ignore us for the night. So much for making guest feel welcome!

    4. People going nuts over a bus or train being one minute late!! I mean jesus christ! And don't get me started about people charging onto the train when the doors open, giving no chance for people to get off first. As with basic manners, orderly queues don't exist in Sweden.



    Now, maybe i'm being too harsh on the place, perhaps i had too high of an expectation. But i honestly don't think so. I know people will say it's their "culture" and that its different to ours, but i honestly think that bull. I've been to their neighours when i visited Copenhagen, and although people are a little reserved there too, they are positively charming when compared to the Swedes i met. And they are polite too. I know there are nice Swedish people, and maybe i was unlucky in who i met or the places i travelled to - i've been told Stockholm is full of a$$holes anyway. Now i've got an invitation to return in December but am not really considering going back.

    Should i give Sweden another chance? I've googled terms such as "Swedish hospitality" or "Swedish rudeness" and the results are anything but an endorsement of the country, so it appears that i am not alone in my complaint about the place.

    OP you are brining it all back to me! I spent some time in Sweden quite a few years ago now and they were lonely and tough times.

    People are extremely stand-offish and reserved, they will not talk to you unless you literally get in their face. Co-workers are professional but mainly will not be interested in you at all and won't even pretend to be interested in many cases. Which was disconcerting for an Irish person.

    Sometimes I'd talk to girls on a night out and they wouldn't even believe I was Irish, one actually poured a drink over my head because she was convinced I was Swedish (I don't look very Swedish..).

    It's a beautiful natural place, clean air and water, very well run, but also arrogant (somewhat understandable given their well run country and successful economy) and lacking in passion and warmth overall. There also definitely seems to be a certain distrust, distance or reserve towards migrants and foreigners.

    The people who I got on best with were some other immigrants in Sweden including Finnish, although I did have a few good Swedish friends who I had known in Ireland already but they lived in another area.

    I also visited Denmark and found them to be a warmer people overall.

    I have spent a lot of time in Asia and much prefer it , even if it is more crowded and messy and polluted, because people will INTERACT with you here at a human level instead of completely ignoring you. At least they are interested in you and like to engage in conversation or interaction.

    And now it's time to post a Swedish bus stop queue pic, be careful in case you may actually acknowledge somebody's presence or gasp, brush into them. :)

    http://i.imgur.com/CoXO5dr.jpg
    http://i.imgur.com/VQiUTgs.jpg
    http://pics.nattstad.se/3/800000/790000/782456/pics/201232023599879782456_sbig.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭iDave


    I was in Stockholm once. They seemed like a decent bunch. Just a zero tolerance to public drunkeness.
    The women though, jesus the women. The men there don't know how lucky they are.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,269 ✭✭✭GalwayGuy2


    I have a small sneaky feeling that Sweden sees the rest of Europe like Europe sees the Middle-East.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 687 ✭✭✭WhatNowForUs?


    maninasia wrote: »
    OP you are brining it all back to me! I spent some time in Sweden quite a few years ago now and they were lonely and tough times.

    People are extremely stand-offish and reserved, they will not talk to you unless you literally get in their face. Co-workers are professional but mainly will not be interested in you at all and won't even pretend to be interested in many cases. Which was disconcerting for an Irish person.

    Sometimes I'd talk to girls on a night out and they wouldn't even believe I was Irish, one actually poured a drink over my head because she was convinced I was Swedish (I don't look very Swedish..).

    It's a beautiful natural place, clean air and water, very well run, but also arrogant (somewhat understandable given their well run country and successful economy) and lacking in passion and warmth overall. There also definitely seems to be a certain distrust, distance or reserve towards migrants and foreigners.

    The people who I got on best with were some other immigrants in Sweden including Finnish, although I did have a few good Swedish friends who I had known in Ireland already but they lived in another area.

    I also visited Denmark and found them to be a warmer people overall.

    I have spent a lot of time in Asia and much prefer it , even if it is more crowded and messy and polluted, because people will INTERACT with you here at a human level instead of completely ignoring you. At least they are interested in you and like to engage in conversation or interaction.

    And now it's time to post a Swedish bus stop queue pic, be careful in case you may actually acknowledge somebody's presence or gasp, brush into them. :)

    http://i.imgur.com/CoXO5dr.jpg
    http://i.imgur.com/VQiUTgs.jpg
    http://pics.nattstad.se/3/800000/790000/782456/pics/201232023599879782456_sbig.jpg

    Wow could you imagine how long their dole queues would be... oh wait!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,690 ✭✭✭ElChe32


    I seriously don't understand how you experienced Sweden the way you did! I've spent 3 years in Gothenburg and it has been nothing but great. I find the people friendly, it may take a few meetings with them to get the craic out of them but all in all a great bunch. There are the few asshats, as with any country, but in general a great bunch of lads.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,636 ✭✭✭maninasia


    I didn't have 'the way in'. It seems in Sweden (and this is true of all places but particularly Sweden) you need to be introduced rather formally into a group.

    Of course random Swedes can be good craic, but the culture is VERY different than Ireland, for me it was much harder to take than adapting to living in Asia, which sounds strange but it's the truth. I remember one weekend I didn't actually talk to anybody except for a shopkeeper..it was just really hard to meet people...this is before the internet became popular so it's a while back now :).

    The off-licenses closing early on the weekend was a bummer because if you didn't get your act together you'd be dry for the two days....my younger self wasn't a good planner!

    Then there was the eternal light and dark thing....kind of hard to get used to at the start.


  • Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Clementine Brave Teeth


    swe?????


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,760 ✭✭✭s8n


    Thinly veiled "look at me" I get to travel thread !!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    TLDR.

    did you ride a Swedish bird or not?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,690 ✭✭✭ElChe32


    maninasia wrote: »
    I didn't have 'the way in'. It seems in Sweden (and this is true of all places but particularly Sweden) you need to be introduced rather formally into a group.

    Of course random Swedes can be good craic, but the culture is VERY different than Ireland, for me it was much harder to take than adapting to living in Asia, which sounds strange but it's the truth.

    I guess the fact I was studying there did help with the "way in", but in general any time I met new Swedes the fact that I was Irish always seemed to calm their initial stand-offishness. Picking up the language helped too. I just made a laugh of their quirks, the whole anti-social bus stop thing is hilarious and I make sure to make all my Swedish friends feel ultra weird when i stand next to randoms at the train/bus stops! The main thing is the difference in atmosphere during winter and spring/summer. Swedes have ****e winters and the craic is drained for them...all they can do is drink and ride to keep warm ;D . Spring and Summer sees a big change.
    I think I'm the kind of lad that fits in anywhere, lived in a few places in Europe and now in South America..just go with the flow.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,636 ✭✭✭maninasia


    Yeah but there was nobody to go with the flow with...because nobody would talk to me like the OP...get it? Trying to talk to some Swedes you don't know is like dealing with a caged animal it seems (you'd almost see the gears ticking in their head..Is this guy gay?....What does he want?...Why is he talking to me?...Is he really Irish?....What is somebody doing talking to me and this must be the thing I heard of called 'The Art of Conversation'). I must say I wasn't in Stockholm which is probably a little bit more used to foreigners.

    I spent my Summer dossing around swimming naked with the ladies in the lakes and rollerblading backwards to piss them off (some parts of this are true..some not :)).

    After a few months there I did build up a few friends from perseverance but then had to jet off again for happier climes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,854 ✭✭✭Sinfonia


    Been a few times, to both Stockholm and Gothenburg, didn't have an experience like the OP at all.

    Maybe ya smell :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,967 ✭✭✭✭Zulu


    grenache wrote: »
    "Thank You" do not exist in Swedish vocabulary
    The word is "tack" and is often used.

    Like the rest of your post, you're talking utter horsemanure in my opinion.
    My brother married a swede and lives over there, and I've worked over there in the past. Lovely place, I visit every year, and would move there at the drop of a hat.

    The people are sound.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,636 ✭✭✭maninasia


    Only if you are connected to them...the Swedes overseas loosen up a lot more but.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,969 ✭✭✭hardCopy


    When I visited Denmark my host gave me a brief overview of Scandinavian history and local rivalries. His summary finished with the line "and of course we ALL hate the Swedes".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,194 ✭✭✭eviltimeban


    I went out with a Swedish girl once.... *sigh*....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,857 ✭✭✭Duckjob


    Thread needs more pics of hot swedish women.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,990 ✭✭✭JustAddWater


    Give me the continuum transfunctioner!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,477 ✭✭✭grenache


    Zulu wrote: »
    The word is "tack" and is often used.

    Like the rest of your post, you're talking utter horsemanure in my opinion.
    My brother married a swede and lives over there, and I've worked over there in the past. Lovely place, I visit every year, and would move there at the drop of a hat.

    The people are sound.
    Yours is not so much an opinion as a dictat then ;)


    So because I and my friends had a different experience to you, it must be fabricated? Did you ever think that maybe I just met the wrong people? I'm not writing off the whole country on the basis of bad trip, I'm merely conveying my feelings about what we experienced. If you had bothered to read my OP properly you'll see that I acknowledge there are some nice people over there. I just didn't bump into them on this particular trip.

    You're right though, I probably just imagined it. And the thousands of negative online reviews about their hospitality, probably a hallucination too. :rolleyes:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,037 ✭✭✭Plazaman


    Zulu wrote: »
    The word is "tack" and is often used.

    Like the rest of your post, you're talking utter horsemanure in my opinion....
    grenache wrote: »
    Yours is not so much an opinion as a dictat then.....

    No no, let him Finnish.


    Boom! Aced that one.


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