Child removed from Roma gypsies-This time in DUBLIN Mod Warning Post #1

darkpagandeath · 23-10-2013 11:14PM

mhge wrote: »

Wouldn't they have a good chance with her passport number if they followed that?

Should do .. Must be false advertising Ireland is good to come to if your a technology company as we have no idea even how to store important information to be easily looked up if needed. Look how long it’s taken to get pps cards with a picture on it for the dole

Curly Judge · 23-10-2013 11:14PM

Chase Little Oxygen wrote: »

There is something very, very wrong about children being taken away because they don't look like their parents. People used to stare a bit because my brother doesn't look like the my siblings or dad (we're olive skinned and dark haired and he's pasty and fair haired). Imagine if some busy body had called the police thinking we'd abducted him.

It's just mental that society doesn't appear to have really moved on from witchhunts. One Roma family appears to have stolen a child, so now any Roma/dark skinned family with a fair-haired child is under suspicion? A child who appears to have been living in Tallaght for years with her family is suddenly taken away because some busybody neighbour has seen the Maria story on RTE News?

I just hope that other "busybody neighbors" continue to phone the police anytime they see anything suspicious.

strandroad · 23-10-2013 11:14PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

when the cops are walking out the door with your kids , i would image you would find them fairly quick
me i know where my kids ones are

So what if you found them, and the passports too? They would still take your kids.

tayto lover · 23-10-2013 11:14PM

My name is URL wrote: »

You said it yourself in another thread... money, resources and time is being spent on this stuff. On things which are designed to appease the hive minded sense of 'justice', while people and communities in need of crime detection and deterrence have to do without any small semblance of those things.

I will check the other thread but this is a different thread on a different topic.
I apologise as I didn't know what you were referring to.

bb12 · 23-10-2013 11:14PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

when the cops are walking out the door with your kids , i would image you would find them fairly quick
me i know where my kids ones are

the cops had no option

i think when strangers are walking out the door with your baby, the last thing on your mind would be where a bloody birth cert was!

namloc1980 · 23-10-2013 11:14PM

tayto lover wrote: »

None of us know what it threw up in fairness.

Seeing as the kid is back with her family it would seem little or nothing came of it.

Nodin · 23-10-2013 11:15PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

could have been a false passport , they have to check , this takes time , do you think the Irish cops have direct access to the country of origin's passport data ?

How do you know it wasn't an Irish passport?

Bit odd that you acknowledge that checks take time, but deem two hours long enough to assess that a child should be taken from its parents.

strandroad · 23-10-2013 11:15PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

could have been a false passport , they have to check , this takes time , do you think the Irish cops have direct access to the country of origin's passport data ?

I would expect that they do have a hot line to customs, yes. Her passport might be Irish though.

namloc1980 · 23-10-2013 11:15PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

when the cops are walking out the door with your kids , i would image you would find them fairly quick
me i know where my kids ones are

the cops had no option

This family did produce a birth cert and a passport and she was still taken!

Nodin · 23-10-2013 11:16PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

and that was what?

....to investigate properly. To ensure minimum distress to the child.

darkpagandeath · 23-10-2013 11:16PM

mhge wrote: »

I would expect that they do have a hot line to customs, yes. Her passport might be Irish though.

is free access to this information not part of being in the EU

dj jarvis · 23-10-2013 11:16PM

mhge wrote: »

So what if you found them, and the passports too? They would still take your kids.

if the info did not match up , then i suppose they would , but why would my kids info not match up , i have it all

but at the time , this family did not , till it was sorted , they had no choice

wes · 23-10-2013 11:17PM

Pretty sad situation, that someones kid was taken from them, on what seem to be very little ir no evidence. I would hope steps are taken so that this doesn't happen again. This sort of thing, really shouldn't happen in this day and age.

tayto lover · 23-10-2013 11:17PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Do you believe it did? The idea that it may have done seems like an attempt to muddy the waters a bit.

I don't know what it threw up but there must have been some concerns when the child was removed. The garda must have had some concerns.

Overdahill · 23-10-2013 11:18PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

oh pray tell why ?

Because you seem to believe that the child would not have been removed from her family (HER biological family, the only family she has ever known) without the Hse a having a really good reason, ie other concerns that we don't know about.

This was a racist witch hunt. Simples.

And I wouldn't trust the child protection people in the Hse with a gingerbread man never mind child welfare.

gandalf · 23-10-2013 11:18PM

tayto lover wrote: »

I would expect to get proper information if I contacted a hospital registrar for information too.

And I would expect the authorities to double and triple check before they took the nuclear option of removing a child from their family. They obviously did not do this.

strandroad · 23-10-2013 11:18PM

Curly Judge wrote: »

I just hope that other "busybody neighbors" continue to phone the police anytime they see anything suspicious.

So do I. Just not that the kids will be taken away pending checks on what the neighbours said about their appearance.

Two Tone from Limehouse · 23-10-2013 11:19PM

force eleven wrote: »

This whole episode, smacks of Germany c1933. Paranoia, racial stereotyping already in action. Next, a general round up of the Roma population at large. Badly handled to put it very mildly.

Oh will you stop! What if the child was abducted/ had been in danger and the authorities didn't act? They'd be crucified. I bet if the family involved had been Irish you wouldn't be on here protesting.
In my opinion some people love to protest on behalf of minorities

dj jarvis · 23-10-2013 11:19PM

Nodin wrote: »

....to investigate properly. To ensure minimum distress to the child.

and you know that they did not do both ?

are you suggesting they ensured the maxim distress to the child ? i dont think you would , as it would be pointless as your above comment suggests that they did not try and ensure minimum distress

tayto lover · 23-10-2013 11:19PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Seeing as the kid is back with her family it would seem little or nothing came of it.

Obviously all concerns were ironed out and everything was in order but at the time the garda took their action for some reason.

blue4ever · 23-10-2013 11:19PM

gandalf makes a valid point and well put.

One point slightly overlooked in this: what was the "basis" of the child in Athlone being taken into can by the HSE yesterday - what were the grounds?

Nothing in the media today bar the fact that he was back in the care of his parents. Nothing will be reported and our law, rightly, protect the anonymity of children and withe that their parents/guardians.

Based on both children being returned to their parents something is amiss

If the child in Athlone was taken into care because he had blond hair and blue eyes - and again there was no mention at all (in camera) as to why he was taken into care and I speculate - but if it were based on that or some 'ethnic abnormality' in the eyes of a neighbor - we're fcuked as a thinking and level headed society.

dj jarvis · 23-10-2013 11:20PM

Overdahill wrote: »

Because you seem to believe that the child would not have been removed from her family (HER biological family, the only family she has ever known) without the Hse a having a really good reason, ie other concerns that we don't know about.

This was a racist witch hunt. Simples.

And I wouldn't trust the child protection people in the Hse with a gingerbread man never mind child welfare.

it was not proven at the time - so yea , they were correct

tayto lover · 23-10-2013 11:20PM

gandalf wrote: »

And I would expect the authorities to double and triple check before they took the nuclear option of removing a child from their family. They obviously did not do this.

They obviously took the registrar at his word which with hindsight was wrong.

strandroad · 23-10-2013 11:21PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

if the info did not match up , then i suppose they would , but why would my kids info not match up , i have it all

but at the time , this family did not , till it was sorted , they had no choice

The info did match up, her documents were legit, they "had it all" too.

Phoebas · 23-10-2013 11:22PM

Two Tone from Limehouse wrote: »

Oh will you stop! What if the child was abducted/ had been in danger and the authorities didn't act? They'd be crucified.

Nobody is saying that the authorities shouldn't have acted, just that they shouldn't have taken the child into custody without a proper investigation.

strandroad · 23-10-2013 11:23PM

tayto lover wrote: »

I don't know what it threw up but there must have been some concerns when the child was removed. The garda must have had some concerns.

Yes, whether Roma parents can have a blond child. Google could tell them they can.

Ace2007 · 23-10-2013 11:23PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Obviously all concerns were ironed out and everything was in order but at the time the garda took their action for some reason.

again, 2 children taken from Roma' families in Ireland in 1 week,
let me know when take a child from an irish family this week - i'm sure there are plenty of children out there that don't look like their parents.... but of course this won't happen.

BlaasForRafa · 23-10-2013 11:25PM

Phoebas wrote: »

Nobody is saying that the authorities shouldn't have acted, just that they shouldn't have taken the child into custody without a proper investigation.

If they hadn't taken the child into care and it had been abducted then the parents could have absconded with the child while an investigation was taking place. The authorities took the most prudent course of action in the circumstances.

gandalf · 23-10-2013 11:25PM

tayto lover wrote: »

They obviously took the registrar at his word which with hindsight was wrong.

The next question is if this was an Irish family where the parents were both ginger haired with freckles and the child had dark hair and sallow skin would they have been treated in the same manner? I have a feeling they would have gotten the double and triple check before the child was parted from their parents.

Overdahill · 23-10-2013 11:26PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

it was not proven at the time - so yea , they were correct

So what i think you are saying is : if the Gardai arrived at your house, expressed concern that one of your kids was not actually yours, made a perfunctory call to the hospital where you claimed the child was born, told you the hosp did not back up your story, rejected your proof...birth cert, passport etc as false...you would be happy for them to take your child from your home into Hse care until a DNA test proved that the child was indeed yours? Just checking

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Child removed from Roma gypsies-This time in DUBLIN Mod Warning Post #1