Child removed from Roma gypsies-This time in DUBLIN Mod Warning Post #1

stmol32 · 23-10-2013 01:48PM

Tasden wrote: »

Having said that, I don't agree with anyone taking kids or babies begging and would be less inclined to give money to an adult with a child in their arms.

I know, it's like "if you're going to go begging why don't you just leave the baby with your au-pair".

Oranage2 · 23-10-2013 01:50PM

People shouldn't give any money to Roma or any other beggars, it just encourages them

Curly Judge · 23-10-2013 01:53PM

stmol32 wrote: »

I know, it's like "if you're going to go begging why don't you just leave the baby with your au-pair".

Yes...very droll!
Are you denying the fact that Roma women beggars deliberately bring out their children in all weathers to increase the emotional blackmail on the passing public?

Eight Ball · 23-10-2013 01:56PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

People shouldn't give any money to Roma or any other beggars, it just encourages them

Could care less about career beggars like the Roma but ill always give to an irish lad/lass who is down on their luck.

elfy4eva · 23-10-2013 01:58PM

I would be all for the Gardaí investigating Irish families in
the same manner if they are reported as suspect. In most
circumstances this should not be an issue as most
parents will have their children's documents available at
request.

In my opinion having a simple file with all
important family certs and information should be a basic
standard in all family homes.

TheMzarector · 23-10-2013 02:22PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

People shouldn't give any money to Roma or any other beggars, it just encourages them

Fact man

stmol32 · 23-10-2013 02:26PM

Curly Judge wrote: »

Yes...very droll!
Are you denying the fact that Roma women beggars deliberately bring out their children in all weathers to increase the emotional blackmail on the passing public?

I've seen Roma without babies loads of times.

steveone · 23-10-2013 02:26PM

Chopperdog 2 wrote: »

Jesus God,

This girl, Siobhan on Prime time needs to get her head out of her hole, is she blind to all that has happened in the last many years and is now a total guardian of the Roma community.....

What about balanced reporting ?? Where is the other party to counter her propositions that the Roma community are the most 'put upon' ethnic minority in this land.

Makes me sick.....

Didn't see the programme and I've only a vague Idea of the details of the case but I don't need to have seen it in order to expect that good journalism / reporting from prime time is never going to happen, the programmes are a compilation of limited and questionable references, opinion and broad generalisation..
as far as the matter of this latest (upcoming) media witchhunt is concerned, I think there are pro's and cons. It's high time groups such as gypsies (and others) who have for many years existed and thrived (or festered) with support and almost impunity in a parallel society to our own are now being held to account and receiving attention from the law.
however it's entirely possible that people, Irish people are reading this thread who have been raised in a non traditional environment. ie, by grandmothers, neighbours or the like, certainly I'm aware that members of my father's family were sent to be looked after back in the day. no paperwork, no famillial relationship etc. It wouldn't surprise me that it still goes on, especially in situations relating to severe mental illness or drug abuse for example. people can be charitable and we can't expect that every blond child in a roma family (is that not racist btw?) is in danger - there are potentially legally held childern in worse jeopardy.
We should be cautious of doo gooders looking for the next bandwagon and also those who are apparently immune to the law.

Donaldio · 23-10-2013 03:00PM

Bottom line is the Garda are acting within the law if the want to investigate a claim or suspiscion they have the right to do so.

Rhys Essien · 23-10-2013 03:05PM

Ray Palmer wrote: »

I don't think they are commercially available yet and still at the trial stage. In other words they don't actually exist yet to be used by anybody bar the inventors

Wrong.

These machines are already being used in America and they give out DNA results in 90 minutes.See report here from last year.

http://www.networkworld.com/news/2012/091812-rapid-dna-262569.html?page=1

Seachmall · 23-10-2013 03:07PM

Rhys Essien wrote: »

Wrong.

These machines are already being used in America and they give out DNA results in 90 minutes.See report here from last year.

http://www.networkworld.com/news/2012/091812-rapid-dna-262569.html?page=1

Wrong.

end of the road · 23-10-2013 03:13PM

wildlifeboy wrote: »

Is it considered rascism to tell the truth. the vast majority of the community are involved in crime

no, telling the truth if you have evidence to back it up isn't racism, spouting untrue or made up nonsense because you have a problem with foreign nationals is, nobody can prove for sure that the vast majority of roma are involved in crime, its possible, but unless every member is watched and followed to see if thats the case which isn't going to happen then it just cannot be proved

SpaceTime · 23-10-2013 03:15PM

Does it really matter if it takes 90 minutes or a couple of days?
Nobody's going anywhere in the mean time and I would rather that the Gardai used resources wisely than slashing tens of millions on DNA processing gadgets that we would probably have very little use for 99.999% of the time.

They've got the technology they need to do a DNA test, I don't see what the fuss is!

el pasco · 23-10-2013 03:45PM

donkeyoaty0099 wrote: »

I wonder what the reaction would be if the Gardai were to take an Irish child from their family like this. There'd be murder and lave lanh would be absolutely inundated with calls. You may not like the Roma but surely we can't allow the authorities to take children from them based on public hear say?

Actually If you read John Waters he regularly highlight the fact that social workers regularly take children who are there parents away often on a very flimsy bases

Bundy89 · 23-10-2013 03:51PM

I was just wondering do Roma women shave their legs under those big curtain skirts...?

Muise... · 23-10-2013 03:53PM

Bundy89 wrote: »

I was just wondering do Roma women shave their legs under those big curtain skirts...?

I'd say they take them off first.

tayto lover · 23-10-2013 03:56PM

donkeyoaty0099 wrote: »

I wonder what the reaction would be if the Gardai were to take an Irish child from their family like this. There'd be murder and lave lanh would be absolutely inundated with calls. You may not like the Roma but surely we can't allow the authorities to take children from them based on public hear say?

Would it be as bad as the reaction Social Workers got for not removing the children from the house in Co. Fermanagh a few years ago after the father burned the house and all the children in it.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Far too many armchair "experts" on here.

RustyNut · 23-10-2013 03:57PM

Bundy89 wrote: »

I was just wondering do Roma women shave their legs under those big curtain skirts...?

Muise... wrote: »

I'd say they take them off first.

Jasus don't say they all have false legs.

darkpagandeath · 23-10-2013 05:00PM

The news keeps saying the garda are using exceptional powers that justify taking children off parents. Rte said on the first case they only do this as a last resort in exceptional circumstances. If its exceptional how come 2 kids have been taken in so many days. 1 has been returned as it's been found out it was there child within a day.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/state-accused-of-abducting-roma-family-children-611066.html

Is it right that the garda just to walk into your house and take your kids if you don't have access to there details within a couple of hours ? As in the first story there were other children in the house if 1 was in danger i would expect them to take all the children into care not just 1.

Don't know if this needs to be merged with the other thread as this is a separate issue dealing with

Child Care Act 1991

Lapin · 23-10-2013 05:01PM

Here we go again.

darkpagandeath · 23-10-2013 05:02PM

Lapin wrote: »

Here we go again.

Again ? there has been another child taken then returned the next day

bnt · 23-10-2013 05:03PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

...
there child
...
there details
...

Their, Their, calm down now ...

Plazaman · 23-10-2013 05:07PM

Wouldn't surprise me, it's a shít sauce. I prefer Dolmio.

Sigourney · 23-10-2013 05:13PM

Plazaman wrote: »

Wouldn't surprise me, it's a shít sauce. I prefer Dolmio.

You'd make your own in a minute with a tin of tomatoes and a bit of garlic. It'd be better for you.

darkpagandeath · 23-10-2013 05:15PM

Do you not think it was extremely traumatising for the children in this case ? Early childhood memory's do shape how you turn out as an adult.

Hitchens · 23-10-2013 05:17PM

looks like a bit of a cock-up in one of the cases.....what's new? :rolleyes:

darkpagandeath · 23-10-2013 05:19PM

Hitchens wrote: »

looks like a bit of a cock-up in one of the cases.....what's new? :rolleyes:

Or hysteria and snatching just to be sure ?

kneemos · 23-10-2013 05:23PM

Sigourney wrote: »

You'd make your own in a minute with a tin of tomatoes and a bit of garlic. It'd be better for you.

Domino original has a certain something about it.

My name is URL · 23-10-2013 05:26PM

It has the potential to lead to problems (racial profiling and the like), but Gardai and social workers have to act in the best interests of the child, and can't always opt to sit on their hands until they have concrete evidence.

It's a tough one though. Can't be nice for a family to have their biological kid taken from them on the whim of a stranger just because they 'look' different, or out of place =/

Hitchens · 23-10-2013 05:27PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Or hysteria and snatching just to be sure ?

...snitching as well :pac:

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Child removed from Roma gypsies-This time in DUBLIN Mod Warning Post #1