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Child removed from Roma gypsies-This time in DUBLIN *Mod Warning Post #1*

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  • #362
    wildlifeboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭wildlifeboy


    Frank Grimes wrote: »
    That's pretty much what the Nazis thought about the Roma too so I think the comparisons are apt.

    Is it considered rascism to tell the truth. the vast majority of the community are involved in crime


  • #363
    Lollipops23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,420 ✭✭✭Lollipops23


    Frank Grimes wrote: »
    That's pretty much what the Nazis thought about the Roma too so I think the comparisons are apt.

    I don't think anyone here is suggesting gasing/torturing members of the Roma community.

    I think people need to calm the f**k down though; there's no actual solid evidence that they've been going around snatching people's babies to sell them into human trafficking. If this transpires to be the case, then we work out a strategy to deal with it and bring the perpetrators to justice.


  • #364
    Frank Grimes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,709 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    wildlifeboy wrote: »
    Is it considered rascism to tell the truth. the vast majority of the community are involved in crime
    I didn't use the word racism so I don't understand your question; unless that's just an excuse to educate all of us on the "truth".


  • #365
    drquirky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,866 ✭✭✭drquirky


    http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005219

    Given Ireland's position in WW2 I wouldn't expect many Guards/ HSE workers to know anything about this, but they should.


  • #366
    Frank Grimes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,709 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    Lollipops23 wrote: »
    I don't think anyone here is suggesting gasing/torturing members of the Roma community.

    I think people need to calm the f**k down though; there's no actual solid evidence that they've been going around snatching people's babies to sell them into human trafficking. If this transpires to be the case, then we work out a strategy to deal with it and bring the perpetrators to justice.
    I didn't say they were, I was just making a point.


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  • #367
    shroom007
    Closed Accounts Posts: 425 ✭✭shroom007


    mod:

    banned.


  • #368
    el pasco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 352 ✭✭el pasco


    Lollipops23 wrote: »
    I don't think anyone here is suggesting gasing/torturing members of the Roma community.

    I think people need to calm the f**k down though; there's no actual solid evidence that they've been going around snatching people's babies to sell them into human trafficking. If this transpires to be the case, then we work out a strategy to deal with it and bring the perpetrators to justice.

    The was a programme on BBC r4 PM last year about the Roma and the Roma they interviewed openly admitted to selling their daughters into the sex trade quite shocking


  • #369
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    You're my child now.......

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkiix0aveRk


  • #370
    Frank Grimes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,709 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    shroom007 wrote: »
    Well then I guess you dont live close enough to anywhere in this country where your day is not invaded by their begging, where every conversation you try to have outside a bar or cafe is not bludgeoned to death by them or had them try to stick their theiving hands into your partners handbag,
    I live in Dublin and this does not happen to me on a daily basis, I must be an exception though because I assume you cannot be completely exaggerating what you're saying.


  • #371
    wildlifeboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭wildlifeboy


    Frank Grimes wrote: »
    I live in Dublin and this does not happen to me on a daily basis, I must be an exception though because I assume you cannot be completely exaggerating what you're saying.

    Whens the last time you were drinking in town? if you're a smoker and you frequent pubs in the city centre you will be asked for money every 2 minutes


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  • #372
    vitani
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,824 ✭✭✭vitani


    shroom007 wrote: »
    Well then I guess you dont live close enough to anywhere in this country where your day is not invaded by their begging, where every conversation you try to have outside a bar or cafe is not bludgeoned to death by them or had them try to stick their theiving hands into your partners handbag,

    I work in the city centre and the only times I'm approached by people asking for money, it's either chuggers or people with strong Dublin accents.


  • #373
    Soft Falling Rain
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭Soft Falling Rain


    wildlifeboy wrote: »
    Whens the last time you were drinking in town? if you're a smoker and you frequent pubs in the city centre you will be asked for money every 2 minutes

    I worked in the heart of the city for 2 years in a job which required a lot of outside activity and I have to say, I was rarely approached by anyone aggressively begging, Irish or otherwise.


  • #374
    Frank Grimes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,709 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    wildlifeboy wrote: »
    Whens the last time you were drinking in town? if you're a smoker and you frequent pubs in the city centre you will be asked for money every 2 minutes
    A couple of weeks ago and nobody asked me for money. Apart from chuggers, the last time someone asked me for money was at a bus stop about 6 months ago and he was Irish, I can't remember the last time a Roma person asked me for money - maybe 1.5/2 years ago.


  • #375
    Rhys Essien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,029 ✭✭✭Rhys Essien


    Why was there not a DNA test done on the Athlone kid?.On the radio that the kid was a blond blue eyed 2 year old boy.


  • #376
    Tasden
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,166 ✭✭✭Tasden


    Soft Falling Rain wrote: »
    I worked in the heart of the city for 2 years in a job which required a lot of outside activity and I have to say, I was rarely approached by anyone aggressively begging, Irish or otherwise.

    Have to agree. I've seen them begging alright but I've never personally been approached by anyone except Irish men asking for bus change or hostel money- those that are actually sitting begging tend to be pretty inoffensive I've found. But that's my personal experience so obviously it doesn't mean some are not being aggressive.
    Having said that, I don't agree with anyone taking kids or babies begging and would be less inclined to give money to an adult with a child in their arms.


  • #377
    Sir Humphrey Appleby
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭Sir Humphrey Appleby


    Rhys Essien wrote: »
    Why was there not a DNA test done on the Athlone kid?.On the radio that the kid was a blond blue eyed 2 year old boy.

    Probably because all the paperwork checked out.


  • #378
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Rhys Essien wrote: »
    Why was there not a DNA test done on the Athlone kid?.On the radio that the kid was a blond blue eyed 2 year old boy.


    ...there is one being done, apparently.
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/1023/482149-dublin-roma-gardai/


  • #379
    Thrill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,485 ✭✭✭Thrill


    Rhys Essien wrote: »
    Why was there not a DNA test done on the Athlone kid?.On the radio that the kid was a blond blue eyed 2 year old boy.

    A DNA test was done on both children. The Gardai are waiting for the results of both tests.


  • #380
    Turtyturd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭Turtyturd


    Frank Grimes wrote: »
    A couple of weeks ago and nobody asked me for money. Apart from chuggers, the last time someone asked me for money was at a bus stop about 6 months ago and he was Irish, I can't remember the last time a Roma person asked me for money - maybe 1.5/2 years ago.


    Conclusive proof they have gone from begging to kidnapping.


  • #381
    Rhys Essien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,029 ✭✭✭Rhys Essien


    Thrill wrote: »
    A DNA test was done on both children. The Gardai are waiting for the results of both tests.

    So they are happy detaining one kid and leaving the other off.


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  • #382
    Fred Swanson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,723 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


    This post has been deleted.


  • #383
    zl1whqvjs75cdy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭zl1whqvjs75cdy


    I wonder what the reaction would be if the Gardai were to take an Irish child from their family like this. There'd be murder and lave lanh would be absolutely inundated with calls. You may not like the Roma but surely we can't allow the authorities to take children from them based on public hear say?


  • #384
    DebDynamite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,751 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    vitani wrote: »
    I work in the city centre and the only times I'm approached by people asking for money, it's either chuggers or people with strong Dublin accents.

    Doesn't happen much now, but I remember about 10-15 years ago there would be young Roma boys going down Grafton Street begging for money and pulling out of handbags. I had to tell them to f**k off on the odd occasion.

    I wonder that became of them when they grew up...


  • #385
    SpaceTime
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,085 ✭✭✭SpaceTime


    petrolcan wrote: »
    I was 18 1/2 when I found out what my first name was.

    Apparently my parents had forgotten to tell me.

    You had no documentation in your own name at all??!!


  • #386
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    Fred Swanson wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    If the docs were in order for the Athlone child, why was he still removed from his home overnight? It looks like a complete over-reaction by the Gardai. This would not have happened if the family were not Roma. A clear case of racism!


  • #387
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    DebDynamite wrote: »
    Doesn't happen much now, but I remember about 10-15 years ago there would be young Roma boys going down Grafton Street begging for money and pulling out of handbags. I had to tell them to f**k off on the odd occassion.

    I wonder that became of them when they grew up...

    They are all working in the Dept of Finance........still taking money out of handbags.;)


  • #388
    Rhys Essien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,029 ✭✭✭Rhys Essien


    Going forward,what the Gardai need is an instant DNA results device which already exists.Cuts out all the bull and waiting around.


  • #389
    TheMzarector
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3 ✭TheMzarector


    We need to pull a France on this one....


  • #390
    vitani
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,824 ✭✭✭vitani


    DebDynamite wrote: »
    Doesn't happen much now, but I remember about 10-15 years ago there would be young Roma boys going down Grafton Street begging for money and pulling out of handbags. I had to tell them to f**k off on the odd occasion.

    I wonder that became of them when they grew up...

    They got jobs with Total Fundraising?


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  • #391
    Ray Palmer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,301 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Rhys Essien wrote: »
    Going forward,what the Gardai need is an instant DNA results device which already exists.Cuts out all the bull and waiting around.


    I don't think they are commercially available yet and still at the trial stage. In other words they don't actually exist yet to be used by anybody bar the inventors


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