Server hosting & liability

CrazyRabbit · 22-10-2013 07:12PM #1

Was just looking at the story about the guy the US are trying to extradite for being the owner of a hosting service where users shared child abuse images.

Story here:
http://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2013/1022/481990-marques-child-porn-suspect/

And the part that got my attention is:

Marques, of Mountjoy Square in Dublin, is accused of being the sole administrator of an anonymous hosting server called Freedom Hosting where the FBI claim thousands of members allegedly posted millions of images of child pornography.

If I understand correctly, he sets up a service hosting websites for 3rd parties, who then used those websites to share/host illegal pics/vids. He's not accused of posting/sharing the material himself.

How is this any different that the service provided by GoDaddy, or to a lesser extent Facebook or Youtube? They all offer users a place to host their own content & users can post highly illegal images/videos. The only difference it seems is that he provided anonymous hosting...no logging of IP addresses.

On a side note, I wouldn't agree to any extradition to the U.S for any alleged crime. Their prison system is a multi-billion dollar industry and there are proven cases of judges being bribed into falsely conviction people/sending them to prison. Their prison sentences are also excessive and there is no attempt made to rehabilitate.

Stheno · 22-10-2013 07:14PM

I think it's the facilitation of illegal acts that they are going after him for?

MadsL · 22-10-2013 07:17PM

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

On a side note, I wouldn't agree to any extradition to the U.S for any alleged crime. Their prison system is a multi-billion dollar industry and there are proven cases of judges being bribed into falsely conviction people/sending them to prison. Their prison sentences are also excessive and there is no attempt made to rehabilitate.

An alleged US child-rapist flees to Ireland and you would oppose extradition to face trial based on your objections to the US prison system. That's one f*cked up moral position your anti-US position just put you in.

aN.Droid · 22-10-2013 07:17PM

Because freedom hosting hosted the majority of the child pornography on deepnet. I agree 100% with having anonymous hosting available but it was widely known what freedom hosting was mainly used for.

Uaru · 22-10-2013 07:19PM

Is this not akin to a shopkeeper selling child porn in brown envelopes and saying it's not his problem as he didn't know what was in them? Sort of.

biko · 22-10-2013 07:22PM

If he is an Irish citizen he should be tried here according to Irish laws (which I hope happens btw).

gctest50 · 22-10-2013 07:23PM

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

If I understand correctly, he sets up a service hosting websites for 3rd parties, who then used those websites to share/host illegal pics/vids. He's not accused of posting/sharing the material himself.

How is this any different that the service provided by GoDaddy, or to a lesser extent Facebook or Youtube?

If they got a valid complaint, they would take down the material and hopefully report it

http://www.ibtimes.com/anonymous-accuses-freedom-hosting-linking-child-pornography-360672

Bepolite · 22-10-2013 07:30PM

Freedom hosting was a far cry from incidentally having child porn on it. The man himself was accused of looking at the stuff himself and knew what was on the servers.

Any extradition to the US will always be treated with some scepticism given their human rights record.

MadsL · 22-10-2013 07:33PM

biko wrote: »

If he is an Irish citizen he should be tried here according to Irish laws (which I hope happens btw).

He's also a US citizen.

aN.Droid · 22-10-2013 07:50PM

Uaru wrote: »

Is this not akin to a shopkeeper selling child porn in brown envelopes and saying it's not his problem as he didn't know what was in them? Sort of.

Nope, it would be like someone renting a shop and sellinh it from there and the landlord goes to jail

gctest50 · 22-10-2013 07:54PM

Limericks wrote: »

Nope, it would be like someone renting a shop and sellinh it from there and the landlord goes to jail

It would be more like the landlord being
told there was dodgy stuff in there,
going in for a look around,
seeing/testing the dodgy stuff,
and tidying up the shelves a bit

aN.Droid · 22-10-2013 07:57PM

gctest50 wrote: »

It would be more like the landlord being
told there was dodgy stuff in there,
going in for a look around,
seeing/testing the dodgy stuff,
and tidying up the shelves a bit

Yeah, this

Stheno · 22-10-2013 07:57PM

gctest50 wrote: »

It would be more like the landlord being
told there was dodgy stuff in there,
going in for a look around,
seeing/testing the dodgy stuff,
and tidying up the shelves a bit

and beefing up the security to make sure it was hidden as much as it could be.

Bepolite · 22-10-2013 07:59PM

It would be like:

A guy setting up hidden servers, hosting child porn, knowing child porn was there, allegedly downloading it himself and then...

I am pie · 22-10-2013 08:01PM

Yeah, hope he gets a long long time in a very nasty prison. Fraid I don't care too much for his liberty while he helped inflict so much misery on children by profligating this grim stuff around the world. Throw the book at him and let it be a lesson.

Maximus Alexander · 22-10-2013 08:02PM

Uaru wrote: »

Is this not akin to a shopkeeper selling child porn in brown envelopes and saying it's not his problem as he didn't know what was in them? Sort of.

No, it's nothing like that. It would be more like An Post delivering envelopes with child porn in them and saying it's not their problem because they didn't know what was in them.

Bepolite · 22-10-2013 08:14PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

No, it's nothing like that. It would be more like An Post delivering envelopes with child porn in them and saying it's not their problem because they didn't know what was in them.

Except that AN post would have been set to send child porn and other things with an express policy of it wasn't going to stop these things and the owner would have been 'dabbling' himself.

Oh and the post man wouild have been invisable and the address hidden and people would have only got caught when the FBI send leeters asking people to send their addresses back to them and they did becuase they weren't very good at security securtity.

As hilarious as these comparisons are they are utter bollox

Sh1tbag OToole · 22-10-2013 08:20PM

Great another man getting into trouble for selling bytes arranged the wrong way..

22-10-2013 08:21PM

Shows how soft our justice system is when this lad is asking to be tried in Ireland.

He'd probably get 2 years suspended here while in the US he probably won't see the light of day for 15+.

Hope he gets extradited, shame we can't extradite all our convicts for proper punishments compared to this joke of a country.

Bepolite · 22-10-2013 08:24PM

gilberto_eire wrote: »

Shows how soft our justice system is when this lad is asking to be tried in Ireland.

He'd probably get 2 years suspended here while in the US he probably won't see the light of day for 15+.

Hope he gets extradited, shame we can't extradite all our convicts for proper punishments compared to this joke of a country.

Yep becuase the US system shows us that their system of punishment works so much better than everywhere else.

Does it bollocks!

MadsL · 22-10-2013 08:36PM

Sh1tbag OToole wrote: »

Great another man getting into trouble for selling bytes arranged the wrong way..

Under US law, if it can be shown that these crimes occurred on US soil, by distributing images of the rape and torture of minors, this f*cker becomes an accessory after the fact in the rape and torture of minors on US soil. He is also a US citizen, so those here are opposing the extradition of a US citizen to face charges of the rape and torture of minors on US soil by a US court.

That's as defending the indefensible as I have ever seen on boards.

I hope they give him consecutive sentences and admit him to the general prison population.

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 22-10-2013 08:43PM

MadsL wrote: »

Under US law, if it can be shown that these crimes occurred on US soil, by distributing images of the rape and torture of minors, this f*cker becomes an accessory after the fact in the rape and torture of minors on US soil. He is also a US citizen, so those here are opposing the extradition of a US citizen to face charges of the rape and torture of minors on US soil by a US court.

That's as defending the indefensible as I have ever seen on boards.

I hope they give him consecutive sentences and admit him to the general prison population.

He is an Irish citizen and the alleged offences are claimed by the the FBI to have been committed in this country.
I wouldn't extradite anyone to the US, a country with an abysmal human rights record.

MadsL · 22-10-2013 08:44PM

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

He is an Irish citizen and the alleged offences are claimed by the the FBI to have been committed in this country.
I wouldn't extradite anyone to the US, a country with an abysmal human rights record.

He's ALSO a US Citizen and as an accessory after the fact is an accessory to crimes committed in the US.

MadsL · 22-10-2013 08:54PM

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

the alleged offences are claimed by the the FBI to have been committed in this country.

He is charged with distributing, conspiring to distribute, and advertising child pornography.

Do you suppose those adverts were only served to Irish IP addresses?

I wouldn't extradite anyone to the US, a country with an abysmal human rights record.

F*ck that, this is possible the world biggest child pornographer. You want a technicality. "Payment for the use of the server was made by a debit card in Eric Marques’ name from a US bank account"
Boom, crime committed under US jurisdiction.

He's the FBI's man. Get over it.

Maximus Alexander · 22-10-2013 09:00PM

MadsL wrote: »

He is charged with distributing, conspiring to distribute, and advertising child pornography.

Do you suppose those adverts were only served to Irish IP addresses?

F*ck that, this is possible the world biggest child pornographer. You want a technicality. "Payment for the use of the server was made by a debit card in Eric Marques’ name from a US bank account"
Boom, crime committed under US jurisdiction.

He's the FBI's man. Get over it.

If he is a citizen of both countries, and committed crimes in both countries, why do you think the US should take precedence?

22-10-2013 09:02PM

MadsL wrote: »

An alleged US child-rapist flees to Ireland and you would oppose extradition to face trial based on your objections to the US prison system. That's one f*cked up moral position your anti-US position just put you in.

Do you have a Google alert set up for any time anyone mentions the US? And then some compelling force that makes you reply to each and every one instead of, oh I don't know, just ignoring it?

Skylinehead · 22-10-2013 09:04PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Do you have a Google alert set up for any time anyone mentions the US? And then some compelling force that makes you reply to each and every one instead of, oh I don't know, just ignoring it?

Typing 'Murica is like the bat signal to him.

'Murica.

MadsL · 22-10-2013 09:06PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

If he is a citizen of both countries, and committed crimes in both countries, why do you think the US should take precedence?

How likely is he to give up information on the people who raped and tortured and sold the videos of raped and tortured kids if he stands trial in Dublin.

Give him to the FBI. How is this even in question ffs? Are you all bonkers?

MadsL · 22-10-2013 09:08PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Do you have a Google alert set up for any time anyone mentions the US? And then some compelling force that makes you reply to each and every one instead of, oh I don't know, just ignoring it?

Let's see. I respond to posts.

Others are arguing for the non-extradition of the largest child-porn ring facilitator on the planet.

And I'm getting the criticism? Wow.

Sh1tbag OToole · 22-10-2013 09:09PM

MadsL wrote: »

Under US law, if it can be shown that these crimes occurred on US soil, by distributing images of the rape and torture of minors, this f*cker becomes an accessory after the fact in the rape and torture of minors on US soil. He is also a US citizen, so those here are opposing the extradition of a US citizen to face charges of the rape and torture of minors on US soil by a US court.

That's as defending the indefensible as I have ever seen on boards.

I hope they give him consecutive sentences and admit him to the general prison population.

If he re-arranged the bytes slightly or changed the values of a few fistfulls of them he would have been alright. Strange world we live in especially now that the powers that be are getting more involved in the whole interweb thing.

I suppose this guy is a softer target than the lads actually raping the children, those are usually based in far flung places. Even if they rounded up every lad hosting the child porn (knowingly or not) they probably wouldnt even put a dent in the amount thats produced.

Even the computer generated bytes in the wrong order are illegal to have on your hard drive / punch cards / usb sticks. which is rather odd

22-10-2013 09:10PM

MadsL wrote: »

Let's see. I respond to posts.

You are arguing for the non-extradition of the largest child-porn ring facilitator on the planet.

Wow.

Erm.

Did I say that any where? Wow.

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