Biting the Hand that feeds?

Chicken Ryan · 21-10-2013 09:39PM #1

An asylum seeker family have decided to challenge provisions governing asylum seekers allowance. Since the system was established over 775 million euro was spent on providing for asylum seekers.

The family consider that the free accommodation, free meals and 80 euro allowance per month is not adequate for their needs and have decided to avail of free legal aid, a the bill I'm assuming the tax payer will no doubt pick up, to challenge the provision.

I'd love to know what is it they want the money for considering they have everything paid for them by the Irish tax payer.

Is this a case of biting the hand that feeds?

Big Nasty · 21-10-2013 09:42PM

You forgot to mention the free car and child buggy at every bus stop.

Sulla Felix · 21-10-2013 09:42PM

What do they think they should be getting in addition to what they do already?

Chicken Ryan · 21-10-2013 09:45PM

Sulla Felix wrote: »

What do they think they should be getting in addition to what they do already?

Exactly my point.

JuliusCaesar · 21-10-2013 09:46PM

I think that you'll find that there isn't any dignity in not having any freedom of choice.

To live in appaling and overcrowded conditions, to have to eat canteen food which may never encompass the food you generally eat, to have only 20 quid a week in hand to buy necessities with, to be stuck there for years, and not know when you might get out - these conditions couldn't be better designed to bring about depression and anxiety in people.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 21-10-2013 09:46PM

Blame Joe Duffy; he raised this whole issue 2 weeks ago. If was so obvious he wanted to get some sort of campaign going and anybody who disagreed was a racist. So a very one-sided 3 days of calls followed.

downonthefarm · 21-10-2013 09:46PM

if they were at home they would be getting **** all,they should be happy they are getting anything at all

oppenheimer1 · 21-10-2013 09:46PM

Sulla Felix wrote: »

What do they think they should be getting in addition to what they do already?

At a guess I imagine they want to be let work and leave direct provision.

Chicken Ryan · 21-10-2013 09:47PM

JuliusCaesar wrote: »

I think that you'll find that there isn't any dignity in not having any freedom of choice.

To live in appaling and overcrowded conditions, to have to eat canteen food which may never encompass the food you generally eat, to have only 20 quid in hand to buy necessities with, to be stuck there for years, and not know when you might get out - these conditions couldn't be better designed to bring about depression and anxiety in people.

I know a 1 or 2 Irish people who are in far worse off circumstances.

oppenheimer1 · 21-10-2013 09:47PM

downonthefarm wrote: »

if they were at home they would be getting **** all,they should be happy they are getting anything at all

Should this be the standard we should aim to exceed?

WoollyRedHat · 21-10-2013 09:48PM

Chicken Ryan wrote: »

I know a 1 or 2 Irish people who are in far worse off circumstances.

That is not right either.

There is a perception that these people who are effectively in limbo..with their destinities in the balance, are out there to cheat the system and con the nation in which they are seeking residence.. it is an utterly unfair and reactionary one, which does not seek to either understand or demonstrate compassion, and a mindset that is unwavering.. Do you think it's an easy decision to have to be uprooted from the country you were born in? That they possibly lived an even more pithy existence in their home country is no good reason to justify or deny basic human rights. They are appealing the decision on legal foundations which exist to establish a minimal standard that identifies and sets a standard for basic human rights and expectations. These people can be productive to our society and are not often the type of scroungers and spongers that many would like to believe them to be.

When the Irish people were often forced emigrate because of social hostility and contempt from their own government, they did so because of neccesity. They were helped by their new countries that took them in and treated them with dignity, and went on to become contributing members of their new society. I'd like to think we could do the same...

MadsL · 21-10-2013 09:48PM

Sulla Felix wrote: »

What do they think they should be getting in addition to what they do already?

The right to work?

downonthefarm · 21-10-2013 09:49PM

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

Should this be the standard we should aim to exceed?

no but they have no right to be moaning,

Muise... · 21-10-2013 09:49PM

Sulla Felix wrote: »

What do they think they should be getting in addition to what they do already?

asylum

Chicken Ryan · 21-10-2013 09:51PM

Muise... wrote: »

asylum

Before their application is even decided?

MadsL · 21-10-2013 09:54PM

downonthefarm wrote: »

no but they have no right to be moaning,

Moaning?

Let's put you in a caravan park on 20 quid a week and see how cheery you are after a year of it?

Guy:Incognito · 21-10-2013 09:54PM

JuliusCaesar wrote: »

I think that you'll find that there isn't any dignity in not having any freedom of choice.

To live in appaling and overcrowded conditions, to have to eat canteen food which may never encompass the food you generally eat, to have only 20 quid a week in hand to buy necessities with, to be stuck there for years, and not know when you might get out - these conditions couldn't be better designed to bring about depression and anxiety in people.

No one is forcing them to come here. I'm sure the rules and details are available online.

Karl Stein · 21-10-2013 09:54PM

downonthefarm wrote: »

if they were at home they would be getting **** all

Not all asylum seekers are poor.

Guy:Incognito · 21-10-2013 09:56PM

Are there figures available as to the amount of asylum seekers here historically? How many people were queuing to come to Ireland for asylum in the 80's for example?

theblaqueguy · 21-10-2013 09:57PM

They get a roof over their heads and food to eat what more do they need? I dont think they deserve anything else until they are granted asylum I think they should be kicked out and let some homeless people take there place I'm sure they'd appreciate it more than these ungrateful people

scudzilla · 21-10-2013 09:57PM

JuliusCaesar wrote: »

I think that you'll find that there isn't any dignity in not having any freedom of choice.

To live in appaling and overcrowded conditions, to have to eat canteen food which may never encompass the food you generally eat, to have only 20 quid a week in hand to buy necessities with, to be stuck there for years, and not know when you might get out - these conditions couldn't be better designed to bring about depression and anxiety in people.

They can always go back home, i'm sure what they're getting here is far better than what they were getting back home

downonthefarm · 21-10-2013 09:57PM

MadsL wrote: »

Moaning?

Let's put you in a caravan park on 20 quid a week and see how cheery you are after a year of it?

if it was a choice of that or being hunted like an animal for my religious beliefs
i would take the trailer park

RandomName2 · 21-10-2013 09:58PM

JuliusCaesar wrote: »

I think that you'll find that there isn't any dignity in not having any freedom of choice.

To live in appaling and overcrowded conditions, to have to eat canteen food which may never encompass the food you generally eat, to have only 20 quid a week in hand to buy necessities with, to be stuck there for years, and not know when you might get out - these conditions couldn't be better designed to bring about depression and anxiety in people.

Oh sure, if you are a migrant worker, that would make sense.

These are supposed to be refugees - only here because the alternative would be death.

"I am only seeking asylum here because I was driven from my home by armed men. Thank you for taking me in.

What's this bullsht? Overcrowded and limited meal choice? I'll sue your asses Ireland!"

Chicken Ryan · 21-10-2013 10:00PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Are there figures available as to the amount of asylum seekers here historically? How many people were queuing to come to Ireland for asylum in the 80's for example?

Something like 90 per cent of asylum seeker applications dropped following the recession from a peak in the early 2000s. Im not one to jump to conclusions but the facts speak for themselves

Lux23 · 21-10-2013 10:00PM

The system may be acceptable if people were there for a couple of months, but asylum applications can take years!

downonthefarm · 21-10-2013 10:01PM

:rolleyes:wonder why that was

Chicken Ryan · 21-10-2013 10:02PM

Lux23 wrote: »

The system may be acceptable if people were there for a couple of months, but asylum applications can take years!

Welcome to Ireland

hansfrei · 21-10-2013 10:02PM

We're broke. That should be a factor.in any asylum aplication. As soon as we're let get back on our feet we should return to be being a favourite location for the less well off.

MadsL · 21-10-2013 10:03PM

theblaqueguy wrote: »

They get a roof over their heads and food to eat what more do they need? I dont think they deserve anything else until they are granted asylum I think they should be kicked out and let some homeless people take there place I'm sure they'd appreciate it more than these ungrateful people

Some of them are professionals such as doctors or lawyers.

The right to work would be pretty high on those "what more do they want?" list.

MadsL · 21-10-2013 10:04PM

hansfrei wrote: »

We're broke. That should be a factor.in any asylum aplication. As soon as we're let get back on our feet we should return to be being a favourite location for the less well off.

Just tear up the Geneva Convention is it?

MadsL · 21-10-2013 10:05PM

Diplomatic Arsonist wrote: »

Burn his house down, that'll teach him!

House?

Mosney?

Biting the Hand that feeds?

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