Six-year-old Irish boy abducted by his father and brought to Egypt

EmptyTree · 21-10-2013 09:30PM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Nonetheless it should be noted that no Middle Eastern (except Israel) or North African countries are signatories.

http://www.hcch.net/index_en.php?act=conventions.authorities&cid=24#U

So steer clear of all males from all North African and Middle Eastern countries (except Israel) in case they turn out to be a child abducting maniac?? Because the actions of one man clearly represents what all men from this part of the world will do when the relationship breaks down and children are involved.

clairefontaine · 21-10-2013 09:32PM

If you have a child with a foreigner you would be a fool not to consider the laws of that land. Absolutely stupid.

leo2a6 · 21-10-2013 09:34PM

username_x wrote: »

6. Have my child using KNIVES as part of a tribal dance

Ignorance and bigotry are often good friends...

inocybe · 21-10-2013 09:42PM

The child was taken out on a different child's passport, that's a basic security failing on the part of this country. The father snuck out via Belfast, another failing. The uncle should be kept here in jail until the child is returned.

Ace2007 · 21-10-2013 09:45PM

inocybe wrote: »

The uncle should be kept here in jail until the child is returned.

Why go and make idiotic statements?

dxhound2005 · 21-10-2013 09:47PM

inocybe wrote: »

The child was taken out on a different child's passport, that's a basic security failing on the part of this country. The father snuck out via Belfast, another failing. The uncle should be kept here in jail until the child is returned.

If it was out of Belfast there is no security failing on the part of this country. And it would not be legal to hold someone in prison in the way you suggest.

EmptyTree · 21-10-2013 09:47PM

clairefontaine wrote: »

If you have a child with a foreigner you would be a fool not to consider the laws of that land. Absolutely stupid.

That’s a fair few women to be calling stupid I’d imagine…..

A fair few, happy in a committed relationship / amicably separated, people…..

So you propose the conversation goes “you’re the love of my life, I’ve never met anyone like you, I am so happy when I am with you, I want you to be the father of my children, but I was down the library today, reading up on international law (as you do) and turns out bit of a tricky legal situation between our two countries….”

inocybe · 21-10-2013 09:56PM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

If it was out of Belfast there is no security failing on the part of this country. And it would not be legal to hold someone in prison in the way you suggest.

You're right, suspects sneaking out over the border is no concern of the Irish police.
wishful thinking about the uncle...

Amirani · 21-10-2013 09:57PM

inocybe wrote: »

You're right, suspects sneaking out over the border is no concern of the Irish police.

It is of course a concern. There's just not a lot of practical steps that can be taken to stop it.

Mech1 · 21-10-2013 09:57PM

Its simple enough, just takes a bit of planning, you go kidnap him back. Its been done before. No Official gov help.

leo2a6 · 21-10-2013 10:02PM

at least the guy let the mother see her son...

clairefontaine · 21-10-2013 10:04PM

EmptyTree wrote: »

That’s a fair few women to be calling stupid I’d imagine…..

A fair few, happy in a committed relationship / amicably separated, people…..

So you propose the conversation goes “you’re the love of my life, I’ve never met anyone like you, I am so happy when I am with you, I want you to be the father of my children, but I was down the library today, reading up on international law (as you do) and turns out bit of a tricky legal situation between our two countries….”

Yes I would call them stupid too.

andala · 21-10-2013 10:12PM

There's hardly anything the Irish government or the mother can do. According to the Egyptian law, the father had all the right to get his child back. The mother, as she is not an Egyptian national, stands no chance in Egyptian court if she wants to get the custody.
An interesting read about family law in Egypt and children abducted by Egyptian citizens.

EmptyTree · 21-10-2013 10:15PM

clairefontaine wrote: »

Yes I would call them stupid too.

That's a bit like saying "a swimmer once drowned, therefore, anyone who goes near water is an idiot".

Perhaps the best thing to do is not to reproduce with any men in the first place, better safe then sorry and all that.

clairefontaine · 21-10-2013 10:16PM

EmptyTree wrote: »

That's a bit like saying "a swimmer once drowned, therefore, anyone who goes near water is an idiot".

Perhaps the best thing to do is not to reproduce with any men in the first place, better safe then sorry and all that.

Hey. She picked him.

EmptyTree · 21-10-2013 10:21PM

clairefontaine wrote: »

Hey. She picked him.

Indeed, pity she didn't have the same foresight you do.....

tritium · 21-10-2013 10:23PM

KenSwee wrote: »

What really pi**es me off is that if this was Madeleine McCann and she was found in a county like Egypt, do you think that for one second, the British Government would hide behind the Hauge Convention and say sorry, we can get her home?

Because this is so like the Madeline McCann case,........

clairefontaine · 21-10-2013 10:23PM

EmptyTree wrote: »

Indeed, pity she didn't have the same foresight you do.....

I'm only pointing out her share of accountability here.

Obviously whomever came up with the custody arrangement is the most to blame.

Some accountability on passport control too.

EmptyTree · 21-10-2013 10:38PM

clairefontaine wrote: »

I'm only pointing out her share of accountability here.

I don't think she can be in any way held responsible for his actions.

To be fair, I do see where you are coming from, however, I don’t think it’s reasonable to call all women who have children with men from non-Hague convention countries “stupid”

Ace2007 · 21-10-2013 10:40PM

EmptyTree wrote: »

I don't think she can be in any way held responsible for his actions.

Well she didn't put his name of the birth cert, that could be a reason why we are where we are today.

Playboy · 21-10-2013 10:51PM

Weirdly enough I have been through something very similar recently. My wife is Egyptian and we both live in the UK. Her Uncle who is Egyptian and has lived in Egypt all his life married a lady with dual Dutch/Egyptian citizenship. They had two kids together. Marriage wasn't great, big age difference and she was a gold digger. One day she takes a small fortune in cash (Egypt is a cash country) and the two kids and disappears to Holland. He has spent years trying to get the kids back, is totally heart broken but she didn't care. Finally with our help we pursued her though the courts in Holland as a child abduction case. Even though Egypt isn't signed up to The Hague convention, strangely enough you can still use it to pursue the return of your kids if they are taken to a country who has signed it. Anyways had an expensive lawyer, rock solid case, mother was a loon and a fantasist and was caught lying in court multiple times yet still the father lost the case. And guess what... The Egyptian government are powerless to do anything to help this man. The Dutch government would rather the kids stayed in holland with their mother on welfare rather than in Egypt with a father who could afford to privately educate them and offer them a much higher standard of living.

Fathers in the west have little to no rights to their children and it's a travesty. And our educated judges and law makers still will pick an unemployed lying mother over a good father because of ridiculous bias of the importance of a mother over a father and a bias against the people from evil and backward countries like Egypt. There are two sides to every story and we aren't as superior as we think we are in cases such as these

Pug160 · 21-10-2013 10:53PM

There's always a risk of this happening when a woman has a child with a man from that part of the world. The Africans, on the other hand, tend to just run off and leave the mother with her child, which is probably the lesser of the two evils. But hey that's what happens when you mix lust, low self esteem (sometimes) and have very little in common culturally.

Amirani · 21-10-2013 11:25PM

Pug160 wrote: »

There's always a risk of this happening when a woman has a child with a man from that part of the world. The Africans, on the other hand, tend to just run off and leave the mother with her child, which is probably the lesser of the two evils.

Egypt is in Africa.

wes · 21-10-2013 11:38PM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Nonetheless it should be noted that no Middle Eastern (except Israel) or North African countries are signatories.

http://www.hcch.net/index_en.php?act=conventions.authorities&cid=24#U

Jordan is in the Middle East, and on the list you linked....

**edit**
Actually, there on this list:

http://www.hcch.net/index_en.php?act=states.listing#I

Guess there are 2 lists.

Nodin · 21-10-2013 11:58PM

Pug160 wrote: »

There's always a risk of this happening when a woman has a child with a man from that part of the world. The Africans, on the other hand, tend to just run off and leave the mother with her child, which is probably the lesser of the two evils. But hey that's what happens when you mix lust, low self esteem (sometimes) and have very little in common culturally.

An ignorant remark.

Pug160 · 22-10-2013 12:36AM

NiallSparky wrote: »

Egypt is in Africa.

You might want to check that again, Niall. Part of it is in Africa and part of it is in Asia.

22-10-2013 12:39AM

Pug160 wrote: »

There's always a risk of this happening when a woman has a child with a man from that part of the world. The Africans, on the other hand, tend to just run off and leave the mother with her child, which is probably the lesser of the two evils. But hey that's what happens when you mix lust, low self esteem (sometimes) and have very little in common culturally.

Ah yeah, just like the Irish sonovab1tch I bore 2 daughters to. Up and left them when they were small and never bothered about them again. I wish he attempted to abduct them, least it would show he cared.

Amirani · 22-10-2013 12:48AM

Pug160 wrote: »

You might want to check that again, Niall. Part of it is in Africa and part of it is in Asia.

500,000 of Egypt's 84,500,000 live in Asia. Are the other 84 million not African?

Cody Pomeray · 22-10-2013 12:54PM

leo2a6 wrote: »

By the way, the kid is also Egyptian.

What's the got to do with it?

He is an Irish citizen.

And he is called Faris not an irish name

Actually, he is called Daniel Faris Heaney. In court he has been referred to as "Daniel".

Why would that even be relevant, anyway?

if divorced fathers had more rights on their children, such things would not happen...

Do you actually have it as fact that the father did not share custody?

Given that the mother was delivering him to the father's apartment on a Monday evening for a routine visit, I don't think you have any reason to suggest the father did not already share custody or guardianship. The child stayed overnight with his father from time to time, like most children where the parents live apart.

this wasn't a case where the mother was depriving the father of his child, as he has done to her.

AngeGal · 22-10-2013 01:51PM

leo2a6 wrote: »

at least the guy let the mother see her son...

Yeah his generosity is boundless. Are you smoking something?

Six-year-old Irish boy abducted by his father and brought to Egypt

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