Season 4, Episode 2 - Infected [Spoilers]

Indeed it was a good episode. They seem to be going through the red shirts Woodbury people at a fast pace.

they should have taken a leaf out of the medieval times/vietcong jungle warfare books and built a whopping big moat/ pungee pit around the fence before the zeds started to build up.

really liked the episode they finally find the perfect balance of action,story, and character development.

rick burning his shirt and pig sty ,giving carl back his gun sacrificing his pigs and strapping the hand cannon to his waist once more. very "subtle" way of showing us that farmer/pacifist rick is gone and sheriff grimes from the good old ricktatorship days is back

I'm assuming michonne bawling with lil asskicker means she lost a kid in the outbreak

wonder what will cause the prison to fall the flu or the little girl feeding rats to nick and his buddies

What a superb episode. That was as good as I've seen since the start/middle of last season. There was lots going on but it wasn't uneven like in some episodes before, it was very well-balanced. There was such a sense of dread about it too, which I don't think we've felt too often in recent times.

It's taken it's time to get going again but when the show is as good as this there's very little out there that can beat it. Can't wait for next week.

Those poor liddle piglets......:(

Gotta feeling that Carol teaching the kids how to kill is gonna come back and bite her in the ass.......ahem.....metaphorically speaking....:o

Great episode,especially with the new threat of illness.Bit odd though when the woman lay down to sleep & zombie Patrick was literally feet away she didn't here him shuffling along,I mean she'd only put her head on the pillow and she seemed to be in a coma??

One gripe:

The constant pile up of walkers at the fences annoys me,there's constant runs for supplies to nearby towns etc.Surely by now they'd have found a few JCB's or similar & dug trenches around the prison.Herschel and his family are farmers & I'm sure there's a few more among the group that could have come up with that plan.
Even beefing up one of the vehicles A-Team style and just ploughing the walkers out of it should have been simple enough for one of them to come up with,they have a bus parked at the prison,why not use that?
Anyhow,why let common sense get in the way of a good scene.

Junco Partner wrote: »

They could have worked that into the story some way and it would have worked well. wasn't there quicksand near hershels farm in season two? the walker that carl found stuck in it and ran from that ended up killing dale?

Don't really understand how there isn't an enforced rule about closing the cell doors at night. They know that you don't need to be bitten to turn. Someone has a heart attack or dies of an illness during the night and...... boom! a new walker wandering about freely yet every single cell lies open with nothing but a sheet hanging down. Seems a silly oversight by the survivors. But then again as zerks said why let common sense get in the way of a scene

I reckon it's the older of the two sisters carol was taking care of whos father got turned thats feeding the rats to the walkers. they spend a lot of time out by the fence and she seemed awful attached to nick the zed to the point where you can see drawings with a stick figure nick in them. As the younger of the two said "shes not weak shes messed up.

the burned bodies is a bit more vague. I thought it was a suicide pact at first seeing as they probably knew they were going to turn but thinking about it again there was way too much blood.

That was a marshy swamp rather than quicksand...quicksand made digging in that area difficult and off course there is also the sheer cost if they tried to rig a trap or something. I think it was just the awkward complications (and timeframe that they had to set it up) that restricted them. Fair point about the gates they were lucky Charlie self-locked himself in their, I agree about Lizzie aswell being responsible.

zerks wrote: »

One gripe:

The constant pile up of walkers at the fences annoys me,there's constant runs for supplies to nearby towns etc.Surely by now they'd have found a few JCB's or similar & dug trenches around the prison.Herschel and his family are farmers & I'm sure there's a few more among the group that could have come up with that plan.
Even beefing up one of the vehicles A-Team style and just ploughing the walkers out of it should have been simple enough for one of them to come up with,they have a bus parked at the prison,why not use that?
Anyhow,why let common sense get in the way of a good scene.

What happens, though, with trenches when they fill up? The oncoming zombie hordes would simply walk across the trenches now filled with hundreds, if not thousands, of yet more clamouring undead, most of whom would still be 'alive'. They'd all still have to be spiked-through-the-head-ed and then disposed of elsewhere to prevent disease and keep the trench fit for it's intended purpose. Also, yeah, the whole slaying them at the fence thing keeps the SFX artists who work in the production in a job, setting up all those juicy spear though eyesocket shots. They're churning those out at a near industrial rate these days.

zerks wrote: »

Simple solution,when the trench gets full just spray 'em with kerosene and you've a nice bonfire.Then fill it back in as you dig another.
A tractor with a hedge cutter would be a nice solution to the zombies at the fence,

Might not want to wait until the trench gets full because they mightn't have anywhere near the fuel needed to burn zombies in those numbers, instead doing a particular section when it gets crowded.

Even though it's not ideal, the characters seem to be relatively content with the status quo of a perimeter fence and lancing the zombies at it. These characters don't seem to do that well out in the open. You'd just know, in a scene or episode where they try to dig a trench, JCB or no, someone's going down.

What about if they tried to corral into an area or areas with bait and built some kind of crude gas powered machine that would automate the lion's share of zombie killing work? It might allow them to do other work to defend the prison, like better fortifying the perimeter fences or digging that trench without being under constant attack.

Best episode since Clear(the morgan episode?) for me, while I cared not one jot for the cannon fodder their deaths weren't just empty FX but actually led directly and indirectly to some pretty compelling scenes with our main cast.

Attack on cell block D : I was sure the **** was gonna hit the fan as soon as Patrick stumbled out of the shower and into somebody cell so was pleasantly surprised they waited until the daylight hours with patrick hearing people stirring before it all kicked off. Sidenote: its probably just me but i got a total Aliens vibe watching that scene, whether Bear was using similar musical cues or it was just the sheer pandemonium of it, it brought to mind the Aliens attack on the Marines under the cooling towers.

Carol mercy killing 101 : While I cared not a jot for his passing the death of the father of the two girls was affecting in its effect on his girls(now orphans presumably) and Carol who he entrusts his girls two. Based on subsequent scenes it looks like Carol will be equal parts kindly parental guardian who will make you a flower garland and drill Sargent who will tell you you are weak. Sidenote: loved that because he was fresh and not months old and decomposing Carol had to go through a softer part of the skull(behind the ear/jaw. Its just a little detail but I appreciated it even if it wasn't consistently applied.

Manning the fences : Logic gaps aside this was another good scene with a great payoff as Rick kills two birds with one stone by using the possibly infected pigs to attract the zombies away from the fence and allow the others to shore it up with more supports.

Binding bonding & Babies : I must confess when Michonne started grimacing at the baby crying initially I took it to mean she had a strong dislike for babies in general until the scene later where she holds her and cries suggested she may once have had one herself.

The end of Rick the farmer : For us(thankfully) Ricks sojourn as a farmer may only have lasted one episode (tho presumably he'd been at it for a month) but the scene where he puts back on his gun still worked in spades for me.

They knocked it out of the park on all fronts with this episode for me from the fx with that fence zombie face being diced , the music , the direction and the acting.

zerks wrote: »

One gripe:

The constant pile up of walkers at the fences annoys me,there's constant runs for supplies to nearby towns etc.Surely by now they'd have found a few JCB's or similar & dug trenches around the prison.Herschel and his family are farmers & I'm sure there's a few more among the group that could have come up with that plan.
Even beefing up one of the vehicles A-Team style and just ploughing the walkers out of it should have been simple enough for one of them to come up with,they have a bus parked at the prison,why not use that?
Anyhow,why let common sense get in the way of a good scene.

I agree with this , its fair enough to leave an obvious issue like this unaddressed for the sake of drama once or twice but past that it becomes damaging to the characters credibility that they would still not be addressing the problem.

A JCB would actually attract a ridiculous herd aswell so is highly impractical actually. The system they had with Karen and David and their squad of about 6 keeping fences clear was a good idea that fuctioned very well, obviously the fences would be busiest in the morning tho so they had no chance to clear them as usual due to Patricks mayhem and the quarantine of two of the senior "clearers"...its not as faulty as people make out actually

expectationlost wrote: »

would you not have locked yourself in your prison cell while you slept overnight before this all happened

expectationlost wrote: »

unlike when they were camping, they were actually in a place where you give yourself that extra layer of protection in case some zombies got in from outside or something, I think i would.

LOSTfan57 wrote: »

A JCB would actually attract a ridiculous herd aswell so is highly impractical actually. The system they had with Karen and David and their squad of about 6 keeping fences clear was a good idea that fuctioned very well, obviously the fences would be busiest in the morning tho so they had no chance to clear them as usual due to Patricks mayhem and the quarantine of two of the senior "clearers"...its not as faulty as people make out actually

Just look at what was done at Woodbury with vehicles being used as barricades,surely somebody would've thought "that's a good idea" & just line up vehicles nose to tail outside the fence.The zombies aren't too clever and it'd keep at least 99% of them away from the fence.
I love the show but the ignoring of the bleeding obvious by those in the prison is unreal.They made a great system of stakes,double gates etc. at the entrance but neglected to fortify the rest of the fence.

Anyhow the "on next weeks Walking Dead" left me with some questions like why Herschel and the rest were in the woods and will our latest male black character get killed off after he gets a few lines in the show?