Season 4, Episode 2 - Infected [Spoilers]

Mr E

Cracking episode... I hope the Love/Hate cat execution moaners don't get wind of it, though.

"I couldn't believe it, Joe. Dey just cut de pig, Joe."

Hande hoche!

Indeed it was a good episode. They seem to be going through the red shirts Woodbury people at a fast pace.

Kirby

Surely that massive prison generator we saw last season has enough juice to electrify the fence? It would solve the problem of them piling up. Zaaaaaaaaap.

Junco Partner

they should have taken a leaf out of the medieval times/vietcong jungle warfare books and built a whopping big moat/ pungee pit around the fence before the zeds started to build up.

really liked the episode they finally find the perfect balance of action,story, and character development.

rick burning his shirt and pig sty ,giving carl back his gun sacrificing his pigs and strapping the hand cannon to his waist once more. very "subtle" way of showing us that farmer/pacifist rick is gone and sheriff grimes from the good old ricktatorship days is back

I'm assuming michonne bawling with lil asskicker means she lost a kid in the outbreak

wonder what will cause the prison to fall the flu or the little girl feeding rats to nick and his buddies

Cue PETA in 3... 2... 1...

thegreengoblin

What a superb episode. That was as good as I've seen since the start/middle of last season. There was lots going on but it wasn't uneven like in some episodes before, it was very well-balanced. There was such a sense of dread about it too, which I don't think we've felt too often in recent times.

It's taken it's time to get going again but when the show is as good as this there's very little out there that can beat it. Can't wait for next week.

viztopia

who do you think is feeding the walkers the rats? also who burnt the two bodies at the end? could it be the governer?

DeepBlue

Those poor liddle piglets......:(

Gotta feeling that Carol teaching the kids how to kill is gonna come back and bite her in the ass.......ahem.....metaphorically speaking....:o

LOSTfan57

Junco

Kirkman and Gimple wanted a moat around the prison but when production/set tried that they discovered quick sand thus they abandoned it for the Morgan styled spikes

Cantona's Collars

Great episode,especially with the new threat of illness.Bit odd though when the woman lay down to sleep & zombie Patrick was literally feet away she didn't here him shuffling along,I mean she'd only put her head on the pillow and she seemed to be in a coma??

One gripe:

The constant pile up of walkers at the fences annoys me,there's constant runs for supplies to nearby towns etc.Surely by now they'd have found a few JCB's or similar & dug trenches around the prison.Herschel and his family are farmers & I'm sure there's a few more among the group that could have come up with that plan.
Even beefing up one of the vehicles A-Team style and just ploughing the walkers out of it should have been simple enough for one of them to come up with,they have a bus parked at the prison,why not use that?
Anyhow,why let common sense get in the way of a good scene.

Junco Partner

LOSTfan57 wrote: »

quicksand around prison

They could have worked that into the story some way and it would have worked well. wasn't there quicksand near hershels farm in season two? the walker that carl found stuck in it and ran from that ended up killing dale?

Don't really understand how there isn't an enforced rule about closing the cell doors at night. They know that you don't need to be bitten to turn. Someone has a heart attack or dies of an illness during the night and...... boom! a new walker wandering about freely yet every single cell lies open with nothing but a sheet hanging down. Seems a silly oversight by the survivors. But then again as zerks said why let common sense get in the way of a scene

viztopia wrote: »

who do you think is feeding the walkers the rats? also who burnt the two bodies at the end? could it be the governer?

I reckon it's the older of the two sisters carol was taking care of whos father got turned thats feeding the rats to the walkers. they spend a lot of time out by the fence and she seemed awful attached to nick the zed to the point where you can see drawings with a stick figure nick in them. As the younger of the two said "shes not weak shes messed up.

the burned bodies is a bit more vague. I thought it was a suicide pact at first seeing as they probably knew they were going to turn but thinking about it again there was way too much blood.

viztopia

the burned bodies is a bit more vague. I thought it was a suicide pact at first seeing as they probably knew they were going to turn but thinking about it again there was way too much blood.[/quote]

And remember the trail marks as if the bodies wete dragged out.

Junco Partner

viztopia wrote: »

And remember the trail marks as if the bodies wete dragged out.

yeah thats the blood i meant its an odd one i doubt its the governor anyway dont think hell be back till they inevitably abandon the prison and hit the road again. besides the girl the only other person giving of weird vibes is the guy who knocked over the booze shelf in the supermarket. tyreese's daughter doesn't seem to like him much.

LOSTfan57

Junco Partner wrote: »

They could have worked that into the story some way and it would have worked well. wasn't there quicksand near hershels farm in season two? the walker that carl found stuck in it and ran from that ended up killing dale?

Don't really understand how there isn't an enforced rule about closing the cell doors at night. They know that you don't need to be bitten to turn. Someone has a heart attack or dies of an illness during the night and...... boom! a new walker wandering about freely yet every single cell lies open with nothing but a sheet hanging down. Seems a silly oversight by the survivors. But then again as zerks said why let common sense get in the way of a scene

I reckon it's the older of the two sisters carol was taking care of whos father got turned thats feeding the rats to the walkers. they spend a lot of time out by the fence and she seemed awful attached to nick the zed to the point where you can see drawings with a stick figure nick in them. As the younger of the two said "shes not weak shes messed up.

the burned bodies is a bit more vague. I thought it was a suicide pact at first seeing as they probably knew they were going to turn but thinking about it again there was way too much blood.

That was a marshy swamp rather than quicksand...quicksand made digging in that area difficult and off course there is also the sheer cost if they tried to rig a trap or something. I think it was just the awkward complications (and timeframe that they had to set it up) that restricted them. Fair point about the gates they were lucky Charlie self-locked himself in their, I agree about Lizzie aswell being responsible.

degrassinoel

re: the rats and burned bodies
Speculation ahoy!

I reckon it's either Carol or the screwed up kid.

Carol because she's taking it on herself to teach the kids how to survive in any way possible, I think the death of her own child hit her harder and gave her more resolve to be capable of such an act as to endanger everyone to make a point about keeping the kids safe.

Screwed up kid, because her dad just died and she was more worried about Nick the walker being dead than anything else, i also squirmed a bit when she took the knife from Carol, that scene was more scary to me than any of the scenes with zombies in them. I thought she was going to stab Carol for a moment, but it would make sense that having gone through the trauma of having lost her dad and nick (lol) that she'd go and make sure nobody else turned inside the prison by eliminating the threat of the two sick people in isolation.


I thought for sure that when Glen took the picture of Maggie, she was gonna die in this episode
Great episode though, roll on next week

briany

zerks wrote: »

One gripe:

The constant pile up of walkers at the fences annoys me,there's constant runs for supplies to nearby towns etc.Surely by now they'd have found a few JCB's or similar & dug trenches around the prison.Herschel and his family are farmers & I'm sure there's a few more among the group that could have come up with that plan.
Even beefing up one of the vehicles A-Team style and just ploughing the walkers out of it should have been simple enough for one of them to come up with,they have a bus parked at the prison,why not use that?
Anyhow,why let common sense get in the way of a good scene.

What happens, though, with trenches when they fill up? The oncoming zombie hordes would simply walk across the trenches now filled with hundreds, if not thousands, of yet more clamouring undead, most of whom would still be 'alive'. They'd all still have to be spiked-through-the-head-ed and then disposed of elsewhere to prevent disease and keep the trench fit for it's intended purpose. Also, yeah, the whole slaying them at the fence thing keeps the SFX artists who work in the production in a job, setting up all those juicy spear though eyesocket shots. They're churning those out at a near industrial rate these days.

LOSTfan57

degrassinoel wrote: »

re: the rats and burned bodies
Speculation ahoy!

I reckon it's either Carol or the screwed up kid.

Carol because she's taking it on herself to teach the kids how to survive in any way possible, I think the death of her own child hit her harder and gave her more resolve to be capable of such an act as to endanger everyone to make a point about keeping the kids safe.

Screwed up kid, because her dad just died and she was more worried about Nick the walker being dead than anything else, i also squirmed a bit when she took the knife from Carol, that scene was more scary to me than any of the scenes with zombies in them. I thought she was going to stab Carol for a moment, but it would make sense that having gone through the trauma of having lost her dad and nick (lol) that she'd go and make sure nobody else turned inside the prison by eliminating the threat of the two sick people in isolation.


I thought for sure that when Glen took the picture of Maggie, she was gonna die in this episode
Great episode though, roll on next week

she also says back in episode one to Carl that she did see someone turn

mother maybe?

so she could have already been unhinged before Ryans death, Mika tells Carol that her sister is screwed up

retalivity

the zombies at the fence scene really annoyed me.
Maggie was standing looking at them and the fence starting to buckle and did nothing. Rick, daryll, michonne were all wandering around outside and did nothing. Only when it was half bent did anyone think "oh hey, maybe we should go kill a few of these".

Cantona's Collars

briany wrote: »

What happens, though, with trenches when they fill up? The oncoming zombie hordes would simply walk across the trenches now filled with hundreds, if not thousands, of yet more clamouring undead, most of whom would still be 'alive'. They'd all still have to be spiked-through-the-head-ed and then disposed of elsewhere to prevent disease and keep the trench fit for it's intended purpose. Also, yeah, the whole slaying them at the fence thing keeps the SFX artists who work in the production in a job, setting up all those juicy spear though eyesocket shots. They're churning those out at a near industrial rate these days.

Simple solution,when the trench gets full just spray 'em with kerosene and you've a nice bonfire.Then fill it back in as you dig another.
A tractor with a hedge cutter would be a nice solution to the zombies at the fence,

briany

zerks wrote: »

Simple solution,when the trench gets full just spray 'em with kerosene and you've a nice bonfire.Then fill it back in as you dig another.
A tractor with a hedge cutter would be a nice solution to the zombies at the fence,

Might not want to wait until the trench gets full because they mightn't have anywhere near the fuel needed to burn zombies in those numbers, instead doing a particular section when it gets crowded.

Even though it's not ideal, the characters seem to be relatively content with the status quo of a perimeter fence and lancing the zombies at it. These characters don't seem to do that well out in the open. You'd just know, in a scene or episode where they try to dig a trench, JCB or no, someone's going down.

What about if they tried to corral into an area or areas with bait and built some kind of crude gas powered machine that would automate the lion's share of zombie killing work? It might allow them to do other work to defend the prison, like better fortifying the perimeter fences or digging that trench without being under constant attack.

Dempsey

All those people sitting around in D block not earning their keep! They should all be out killing the zombies at the fences and building reinforcements for the fencing. If this is to be their home long term, they dont seem too fussed about the fencing getting worn down.

As said, the fact that cells are not closed at night could have been dealt with better, e.g. someone pointing out that people were told to close their cells and just getting drawn into a false sense of security.

PhiloCypher

Best episode since Clear(the morgan episode?) for me, while I cared not one jot for the cannon fodder their deaths weren't just empty FX but actually led directly and indirectly to some pretty compelling scenes with our main cast.

Attack on cell block D : I was sure the **** was gonna hit the fan as soon as Patrick stumbled out of the shower and into somebody cell so was pleasantly surprised they waited until the daylight hours with patrick hearing people stirring before it all kicked off. Sidenote: its probably just me but i got a total Aliens vibe watching that scene, whether Bear was using similar musical cues or it was just the sheer pandemonium of it, it brought to mind the Aliens attack on the Marines under the cooling towers.

Carol mercy killing 101 : While I cared not a jot for his passing the death of the father of the two girls was affecting in its effect on his girls(now orphans presumably) and Carol who he entrusts his girls two. Based on subsequent scenes it looks like Carol will be equal parts kindly parental guardian who will make you a flower garland and drill Sargent who will tell you you are weak. Sidenote: loved that because he was fresh and not months old and decomposing Carol had to go through a softer part of the skull(behind the ear/jaw. Its just a little detail but I appreciated it even if it wasn't consistently applied.

Manning the fences : Logic gaps aside this was another good scene with a great payoff as Rick kills two birds with one stone by using the possibly infected pigs to attract the zombies away from the fence and allow the others to shore it up with more supports.

Binding bonding & Babies : I must confess when Michonne started grimacing at the baby crying initially I took it to mean she had a strong dislike for babies in general until the scene later where she holds her and cries suggested she may once have had one herself.

The end of Rick the farmer : For us(thankfully) Ricks sojourn as a farmer may only have lasted one episode (tho presumably he'd been at it for a month) but the scene where he puts back on his gun still worked in spades for me.

They knocked it out of the park on all fronts with this episode for me from the fx with that fence zombie face being diced , the music , the direction and the acting.

zerks wrote: »

One gripe:

The constant pile up of walkers at the fences annoys me,there's constant runs for supplies to nearby towns etc.Surely by now they'd have found a few JCB's or similar & dug trenches around the prison.Herschel and his family are farmers & I'm sure there's a few more among the group that could have come up with that plan.
Even beefing up one of the vehicles A-Team style and just ploughing the walkers out of it should have been simple enough for one of them to come up with,they have a bus parked at the prison,why not use that?
Anyhow,why let common sense get in the way of a good scene.

I agree with this , its fair enough to leave an obvious issue like this unaddressed for the sake of drama once or twice but past that it becomes damaging to the characters credibility that they would still not be addressing the problem.

Gehad_JoyRider

I found the big scene sad.... I like them

I thought the show was good, I'liked the way they maintained a some what slow beginning that really set it of for me in terms of anticipation!

The last episode was kinda like they were all living in dream world with the food counter and the way every one was happy it just seemed like they were due some bad fortune so the flip from episodes kinda helped.

I like the way Rick has kinda re stood up to what he is some one who gets things done. Minchone is tstarting to show a new side like last year a lot of people dissliked her I find my self liking her more.

Tyreese is on an interesting spiral I can see him turning into a bad ass. maybe? insted of the sensitive bumbling baby man child he is at the moment. Think he really needs to toughen up.

over all I think the past few shows have given the show some more pace, its building up and its only E2 S4 so over all the series is looking good may leave it alone now for a few weeks so I have a good couple of hours to watch it.

The burned bodies I was sure she was going to stick around and kill the governer

LOSTfan57

A JCB would actually attract a ridiculous herd aswell so is highly impractical actually. The system they had with Karen and David and their squad of about 6 keeping fences clear was a good idea that fuctioned very well, obviously the fences would be busiest in the morning tho so they had no chance to clear them as usual due to Patricks mayhem and the quarantine of two of the senior "clearers"...its not as faulty as people make out actually

expectationlost

would you not have locked yourself in your prison cell while you slept overnight before this all happened

LOSTfan57

expectationlost wrote: »

would you not have locked yourself in your prison cell while you slept overnight before this all happened

Well do you lock yourself into your own room at night? 99% of people would say no the other 1% would be the sleepwalker Charlie who did lock himself in his cell at night. Patrick was the first victim off this previously unknown flu so therefore he had a chance to cause the mayhem he did, definitely wont happen again and they could not have predicted this would happen until Patrick died

expectationlost

LOSTfan57 wrote: »

Well do you lock yourself into your own room at night? 99% of people would say no the other 1% would be the sleepwalker Charlie who did lock himself in his cell at night. Patrick was the first victim off this previously unknown flu so therefore he had a chance to cause the mayhem he did, definitely wont happen again and they could not have predicted this would happen until Patrick died

unlike when they were camping, they were actually in a place where you give yourself that extra layer of protection in case some zombies got in from outside or something, I think i would.

LOSTfan57

expectationlost wrote: »

unlike when they were camping, they were actually in a place where you give yourself that extra layer of protection in case some zombies got in from outside or something, I think i would.

Fair point but I just think its that they wanted to try and bring back a bit normalness into their lives. Thats why Rick didn't want himself or Carl using guns, thats why Rick was putting so much effort into rearing the pigs and the land thats what Rick wants, what we saw last night was Rick admitting that there is no chance of normality the darkness of this world will always find them and damage them, its one of the things that drives the pig scene, Rick is giving up and killing the fruits of his labour to these monsters then he gives Carl his gun while also having his own Colt back. Rick is abandoning 7-8 months of hard work and the hopes and dreams he had for the prison and his family.

Wanderer2010

I think the person who fed the walkers the rats is that new guy who seems to be an alcoholic and a bit over-keen to pay his way, as when he offered to tag along to the supermarket last week. He also seemed to want to know more about this virus and how it affects the remaining survivors. Its surely him who is feeding the walkers and who burnt the bodies, maybe hes a mole and wants to know more/study the people in the prison. Its too obvious to be the kid.

On that note Carol is a right insensitive bitch this season. Firstly being ok with a kid killing her father and then only a day later grabbing same kid to shout in her face that she was weak for not following through! Jesus, we know the kids have to toughen up in this new world but her jump from caring mother figure to cruel bitch was a bit much for me.

Strong episode overall, Rick is slowly coming apart again theres only so much one man can take. The new virus strain is an interesting addition. My only fear is that they are gonna spend all season in the prison which I would find a tad boring but then I dont know how they can write a change in location into this season as they have what they need (mostly) at the prison.

Cantona's Collars

LOSTfan57 wrote: »

A JCB would actually attract a ridiculous herd aswell so is highly impractical actually. The system they had with Karen and David and their squad of about 6 keeping fences clear was a good idea that fuctioned very well, obviously the fences would be busiest in the morning tho so they had no chance to clear them as usual due to Patricks mayhem and the quarantine of two of the senior "clearers"...its not as faulty as people make out actually

Just look at what was done at Woodbury with vehicles being used as barricades,surely somebody would've thought "that's a good idea" & just line up vehicles nose to tail outside the fence.The zombies aren't too clever and it'd keep at least 99% of them away from the fence.
I love the show but the ignoring of the bleeding obvious by those in the prison is unreal.They made a great system of stakes,double gates etc. at the entrance but neglected to fortify the rest of the fence.

Anyhow the "on next weeks Walking Dead" left me with some questions like why Herschel and the rest were in the woods and will our latest male black character get killed off after he gets a few lines in the show?

Paddy Cow

How did Charlie manage to lock himself in his cell? I would have thought that prison cells are locked through a computer system? Can't imagine there are individual keys for all the cells.

PhiloCypher

zerks wrote: »

Just look at what was done at Woodbury with vehicles being used as barricades,surely somebody would've thought "that's a good idea" & just line up vehicles nose to tail outside the fence.The zombies aren't too clever and it'd keep at least 99% of them away from the fence.
I love the show but the ignoring of the bleeding obvious by those in the prison is unreal.They made a great system of stakes,double gates etc. at the entrance but neglected to fortify the rest of the fence.

Anyhow the "on next weeks Walking Dead" left me with some questions like why Herschel and the rest were in the woods and will our latest male black character get killed off after he gets a few lines in the show?

That's a lot of fence to stake and being that they had been 30 days without incident they obviously didn't see it as a pressing concern and had become complacent . Unfortunately now that the herd has been thinned by the massacre in cellblock D they have the motivation but maybe not the manpower.

gavmcg92

viztopia wrote: »

who do you think is feeding the walkers the rats? also who burnt the two bodies at the end? could it be the governer?

I would imagine it's the little girl. She seemed to have a fascination with that particular walker.

Have to say I really enjoyed this week. Had no idea how it was going to play out. If the bit at the end is anything to go by, next week is going to be a cracker too.

Staplor

Are they using a load of green screen backgrounds this season or is the lighting really strange? Especially internal shots, seems almost Sharknado quality

gavmcg92

Staplor wrote: »

Are they using a load of green screen backgrounds this season or is the lighting really strange? Especially internal shots, seems almost Sharknado quality

Didn't notice it tbh. Episode 1 had particularly poor CGI but didn't notice anything poor this episode (other than the first pig slaughter)

GavRedKing

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

I think the person who fed the walkers the rats is that new guy who seems to be an alcoholic and a bit over-keen to pay his way, as when he offered to tag along to the supermarket last week. He also seemed to want to know more about this virus and how it affects the remaining survivors. Its surely him who is feeding the walkers and who burnt the bodies, maybe hes a mole and wants to know more/study the people in the prison. Its too obvious to be the kid.

On that note Carol is a right insensitive bitch this season. Firstly being ok with a kid killing her father and then only a day later grabbing same kid to shout in her face that she was weak for not following through! Jesus, we know the kids have to toughen up in this new world but her jump from caring mother figure to cruel bitch was a bit much for me.

Strong episode overall, Rick is slowly coming apart again theres only so much one man can take. The new virus strain is an interesting addition. My only fear is that they are gonna spend all season in the prison which I would find a tad boring but then I dont know how they can write a change in location into this season as they have what they need (mostly) at the prison.

That's what I was thinking too, what are the chances someone has stayed loyal to the govenor and wanted to infiltrate the group.

Didnt they say at the start he was found only a week ago and he was very keen to lend a hand.

expectationlost

the fence was actually a good safe way to kill the walkers, aslong as they kept it under control and didn't have somebody making it worse.

NufcNavan

What annoyed me was how casual everybody was about security. In the first episode they made a point of showing us how organised and regimented the group was in protecting the perimeter etc. Yet in this episode it's the opposite.

Think about it. If somebody dies suddenly in the middle of the night then everybody is in danger. Yet not one person even closes a door in the cell block, nobody stands guard, and despite having guards in the towers round the clock, nobody bothers to thin the horde of walkers pressed against the fence until it's way too late.

All the problems in this episode would have been resolved if one person in the whole show had a brain. The only reason it bothers me is that like I said in episode 1 they make it clear that the group is on top of things.

LisaLee

Really enjoyed this episode. Initially I was a disappointed with the season premiere, but it makes sense now as there was so much to set up for the Milhouse/Patrick storyline.

I think the eldest of the two little girls is a little unhinged, (she was quick to offer to put a knife in her Dad before he became a walker, before changing her mind) and I reckon she's the one giving the 'pet' walkers midnight rat snacks. But I wonder if that's a bit too obvious? (As an aside, the younger girl's facial expressions and one liners were great!) I also think there might be a mole in the prison whose goal it is is to take down the prison from the inside. Perhaps working with the Governor, but maybe not?

I don't think the two charred bodies were suicides, simply because of the bloody streaks on the floor where they've been dragged out of the cells. Did the succumb to the virus or were they killed as a precaution? The former makes a little more sense, but why the others weren't notified either way was a bit odd. Or maybe they were killed and made to look like they got ill first?

Is anyone else wincing at the hygiene issue since the virus theory came about? I keep thinking of Daryl licking his fingers before shaking hands, kissing, pig blood on Rick's face etc. They're going to need to have some sort of hygiene safeguard plan otherwise the prison will be completely contaminated.

Ditto security, think it's time for everyone to start locking their cell doors at night as a precaution. Solo sleeping too.

The poor pigs though. I know they were discussing how flu and viruses often start with animals, but that was tough to watch. Couldn't they just fire up a generator and turn the external fence into an electric fence? A zombie zapper, if you will.

Paddy Cow

I don't think it's the little girl feeding the walkers. Whoever it was, shone a light directly into the walkers face and when they put the rat through the fence the walker was able to bite it without bending down. She's not tall enough for that. Plus she would have to be able to find the rats which would mean a lot of time on her own and she is always with her sister. It's more likely an adult that can come and go as they please without arousing suspicion. Could be the loner dude from last week deliberately trying to sabatoge the prison.

oxygen

Really like that episode, good balance of minimal dialogue, character development and action. I thought the direction was seriously up a notch from previous episodes. Specifically the piglet plan, the truck mounted camera, Andrew Lincolns excellent acting, the spray of blood on his face, the loss of sound halfway through, all very good.

I did think the Carol toughening the two girls was way too rushed. They should have given that plot at least a couple of episodes to grow. Suddenly telling a young girl she is weak for not stabbing her father in the brain, ffs.

Have to say, I’m hopeful about the rest of the season. Saying that, if the governor returns as a pantomime villain it will ruin it all.


Also for the posters recommending a moat... The effort involved in that would be massive, and it would be completely filled with a sea of zombies within a couple of weeks. The dispatching of individual zombies was very effective, until someone started feeding them in one specific location and they started grouping

GavRedKing

One thing that annoyed me actually now I think of it, when the young guy, Patrick is it? starts wondering around and feasts on his first victim, its clearly a change from night to morning by the time he chews through the guy, as soon as he hears a new noise hes up and looking for a new victim, then the guy hes eating just gets up, I mean if you re-animate after you die shouldnt the guy have turned very quickly after getting killed and not at the exact time Patrick wondered off into cell block D the next morning after possibily a few hours?

Paddy Cow

oxygen_temp wrote: »

I did think the Carol toughening the two girls was way too rushed. They should have given that plot at least a couple of episodes to grow. Suddenly telling a young girl she is weak for not stabbing her father in the brain, ffs.

I think it's delayed grief from what happened to Sophia. Carol is one of the few characters who has kept it together, despite being a victim of domestic violence and losing her daughter. Carol herself started off quite weak but has ended up pretty tough. She's projecting what happened to herself and Sophia onto the little girl and is due an emotional breakdown. Either she will realise on her own that she needs to cop on or Daryl will see what's happening and tell her to reign it in.

oxygen

Paddy Cow wrote: »

I think it's delayed grief from what happened to Sophia. Carol is one of the few characters who has kept it together, despite being a victim of domestic violence and losing her daughter. Carol herself started off quite weak but has ended up pretty tough. She's projecting what happened to herself and Sophia onto the little girl and is due an emotional breakdown. Either she will realise on her own that she needs to cop on or Daryl will see what's happening and tell her to reign it in.

Ah ok, that makes sense. Its a rushed action from the character not the writers. That make a much better story all right.

Penn

GavRedKing wrote: »

One thing that annoyed me actually now I think of it, when the young guy, Patrick is it? starts wondering around and feasts on his first victim, its clearly a change from night to morning by the time he chews through the guy, as soon as he hears a new noise hes up and looking for a new victim, then the guy hes eating just gets up, I mean if you re-animate after you die shouldnt the guy have turned very quickly after getting killed and not at the exact time Patrick wondered off into cell block D the next morning after possibily a few hours?

I think they already said that the time varies for reanimation. Usually quick but can sometimes take a few hours. Besides, half an hour is really all you need for it to go from dark to bright, and they did show Rick was up at 6 so it would have been around dawn.

Hyzepher

I think it's Rick feeding the Walkers

IvySlayer

Did Rick get sprayed in the face by the piggies blood at the end?

Whoever was in the tower on watch did a **** job if they didnt hear someone come out and see their torch. It wasn't one of the kids feeding them, not high enough

LisaLee

IvySlayer wrote: »

Whoever was in the tower on watch did a **** job if they didnt hear someone come out and see their torch. It wasn't one of the kids feeding them, not high enough

I wondered that too. What could Maggie and Glen be doing up there to distract them from nightwatch? *ahem*

They wouldn't be difficult to spot, especially with a torch as a beacon.

I think the older girl might be too obvious a choice, but it's hard to know. Everyone is a suspect, there's plenty of trauma to go round!

Gbear

It does feel a touch silly that they're having problems with defending a bleedin prison.

There's an infinite number of things they could be doing to protect themselves better. It's not like most of them have all that much to do the whole time.

Pits, traps, reinforcing the fence. Whatever. It just seems like they said, "ah sure that's safe enough lads".

Was it made clear that the pigs needed to be killed?
Because I would've thought that driving slowly away from them while dangling a pig in front of them would've done the same trick as feeding them to the walkers.

It was a good episode but there really is an awful lot of silly stuff that's very hard to suspend your disbelief for.

Leaving all the cells open is the worst.

The only thing I can think of is that all the people from the old group do lock their doors and it's only the Woodburyites who're maybe a bit more naive about what needs to be done and the old group largely left them to their own devices.

Junco Partner

With few supply runs to hardware stores and building supply warehouses they could have gathered enough bricks and mortar and other supplies to build a perimeter wall. Unlike the fence which could have and has started collapse with the weight of zeds against it. A wall with foundations would have stood up to an awful mass of zeds. They could have built observation towers and walkways to keep the perimeter clear. they had more than enough man power to hand everyone a shovel and have it knocked out in a week or so. I suppose that an impenetrable fortress makes for boring drama though; although it would allow for a walker version of Helm's Deep. For the sake of the story the prison needs to fall I suppose.

expectationlost

having a see through double line of fences isn't a bad thing meansthey can watch from a more central point with less people, but where are all these zombies coming from?

I'll guess we'll see in the next ep