Sew up your pockets

Hootanany · 20-10-2013 12:06PM

So you think Noonan off the cuff remark was Ok then?

Miss Lockhart · 20-10-2013 12:17PM

ted1 wrote: »

How can you understand budgets and moan about taxes?.

Plenty of economists worldwide manage it just fine. Sounds like you're as ignorant on the topic as those you are deriding.

I hate people who behave like the guy behind the camera but I also hate Noonan's smug, condescending attitude. One doesn't excuse the other.

have2flushtwice · 20-10-2013 12:20PM

ted1 wrote: »

How can you understand budgets and moan about taxes?
I got a job during college so was able to finish my course . I'm also at college during night to do my masters.

it is possible to understand budgets and moan about taxes!budget is about financial management. taxes are about us funding the budget. understand this, how much are we overspending in the hse? howmuch are we pumping into Dublin bus? should these and others be dealt with properly then the taxes may not be as severe.

i cant remember complaining about either though...

ted1 · 20-10-2013 12:26PM

have2flushtwice wrote: »

it is possible to understand budgets and moan about taxes!budget is about financial management. taxes are about us funding the budget. understand this, how much are we overspending in the hse? howmuch are we pumping into Dublin bus? should these and others be dealt with properly then the taxes may not be as severe.

i cant remember complaining about either though...

There's a difference between moaning about taxes and giving alternative solutions. Without giving an alternative implies that you don't have an opinion and are just a moaner

have2flushtwice · 20-10-2013 12:28PM

ted1 wrote: »

How can you understand budgets and moan about taxes?
I got a job during college so was able to finish my course . I'm also at college during night to do my masters.

it is possible to understand budgets and moan about taxes!budget is about financial management. taxes are about us funding the budget. understand this, how much are we overspending in the hse? howmuch are we pumping into Dublin bus? should these and others be dealt with properly then the taxes may not be as severe.

i cant remember complaining about either though...

have2flushtwice · 20-10-2013 12:31PM

ted1 wrote: »

There's a difference between moaning about taxes and giving alternative solutions. Without giving an alternative implies that you don't have an opinion and are just a moaner

are you reading the post, two examples given.
never argue with and idiot. they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. where's my hat!

Miss Lockhart · 20-10-2013 12:36PM

ted1 wrote: »

There's a difference between moaning about taxes and giving alternative solutions. Without giving an alternative implies that you don't have an opinion and are just a moaner

There's a difference between saying you agree with taxes and think the budget is fair and explaining how they have been successful in dealing with budget deficits. Without giving that explanation implies you don't have an opinion and are just a government sycophant.

Makes about as much sense. Nitpicking and looking for an argument can work both ways.

You don't agree with protesters and that's fair enough but is there really a need for snide comments about employment status? Should we all have to prove our managerial experience to make a comment in AH?

FortuneChip · 20-10-2013 12:37PM

Hootanany wrote: »

So that is what he thinks of us:mad:

I really hope you're not using the cameraman to represent "Us" here

20-10-2013 12:45PM

"Sew up your pockets" was clearly a joke. Jesus.

As for the cameraman, if he actually wanted to make a difference he'd get involved in politics. Jamming a camera in a man's face as he's trying to get down the street is harassment.

As for the "poor little Ronan" thing, that's despicable. If you oppose the things the government is cutting, try actually doing something constructive about it. Shouting at a man on the street as though he's personally out to get kids with Down's is pretty low, and if the cameraman ever did have a point, he lost all chance of getting it across with that comment.

Teyla Emmagan · 20-10-2013 12:48PM

Lisha wrote: »

The guy filming was wrong to do so. He accosted someone walking to work and was wrong to do so and post it in the net.

However Michael Noonan was wrong to reply 'sew up your pockets' as a first response. It is a smart nasty comment that Noonsn used to humiliate and silence the protester.

No it was just a quip. He was clearly trying to make a joke and move on. He had probably said the same thing a million times to every smart arse or heckler he met coming up to budget day. He can hardly stop and have an indepth chat about finance to the butcher, the baker and the candlestick maker. There was nothing personal in it, he was just trying to get away from yet another tosser

Hootanany · 20-10-2013 01:01PM

But he is answerable to public and should not treat people with such contempt .

Days 298 · 20-10-2013 01:05PM

Hootanany wrote: »

But he is answerable to public and should not treat people with such contempt .

He was being treated with contempt. What do you expect him to do?
Stop and allow the guy to tear into him. Do you think he'd rather not cut services or do you think he's doing it for the schadenfreude?

20-10-2013 01:18PM

Hootanany wrote: »

But he is answerable to public and should not treat people with such contempt .

Being answerable to the public means getting letters, meetings, and on occasion organised public protests. There are appropriate ways to become involved in politics and to contact politicians.

He wasn't treating anyone with contempt, he was trying to walk down the street. It didn't help that the angry cameraman had absolutely nothing relevant to say. He didn't make any point at all, and he wasn't attempting to get answers. He just wanted to shout abuse at someone. Because it's easier to just grab your camera and try to humiliate someone and feel like a big man than actually get off your ass and try to make a real difference. Big man, shouting from the comfortable position of taking no responsibility himself.

Lapin · 20-10-2013 01:40PM

have2flushtwice wrote: »

i think fair play to the camera man. he is right in his comment that rte give favourable press. we all sit and moan about tax and the rest but this guy went and asked the questions with the intention of showing us the answers he got.
is it any different to other people leaving court for example, not guilty and the camera in their face? rte do this also, so keep your powder dry lads!

or we can do this:
lets all sit patently and wait for the minister to come onto the radio or tv and get scripted questions and deliver prepared answers.

i say well done to the camera man. he got more balls than the rest of the keyboard bandits.

Ministers Noonan and Howlin went on RTÉ radio the following morning and took unscripted questions from the public.

Lapin · 20-10-2013 01:40PM

Hootanany wrote: »

But he is answerable to public and should not treat people with such contempt .

He is indeed answerable to the public. Not some twit with a camera on the side of the road claiming to represent the public. (Thankfully he doesn't).
He was on his way to work where he answers to the public every day.

He responded to a joker with a joke. (A bad joke yes - but contempt, no).

I'm no fan of Noonan but I'd rather have him in finance than all of the previous 3 ministers combined, (Lenihan, Cowen & McCreevy).

Its because of their budgets that Noonan is forced to play the hand he has now.

The only thing this gobshíte wannabe Charlie Bird on the pavement will force Noonan to do is start using the state Mercs to get to work again.

Standard Toaster · 20-10-2013 02:03PM

Was he implying the camera-phone man was a pick pocket type 'character' from his accent? (eg scummer)

He only said that as soon as he opened his mouth?
Can't say I ever heard of that expression before.

20-10-2013 02:13PM

Standard Toaster wrote: »

Was he implying the camera-phone man was a pick pocket type 'character' from his accent? (eg scummer).

No. The guy says something along the lines of "so how are you going to screw the Irish people today?" and he says "sew up your pockets", and then tries to laugh off the camera guy as best he can. It was a joke. It means sew up your pockets so I can't screw money out of you, which was what he was being accused of.

Standard Toaster · 20-10-2013 02:15PM

true-or-false wrote: »

No. The guy says something along the lines of "so how are you going to screw the Irish people today?" and he says "sew up your pockets", and then tries to laugh off the camera guy as best he can. It was a joke. It means sew up your pockets so I can't screw money out of you, which was what he was being accused of.

Ah ok then. A sh1t joke so.

Hootanany · 20-10-2013 02:17PM

Lapin wrote: »

He is indeed answerable to the public. Not some twit with a camera on the side of the road claiming to represent the public. (Thankfully he doesn't).
He was on his way to work where he answers to the public every day.

He responded to a joker with a joke. (A bad joke yes - but contempt, no).

I'm no fan of Noonan but I'd rather have him in finance than all of the previous 3 ministers combined, (Lenihan, Cowen & McCreevy).

Its because of their budgets that Noonan is forced to play the hand he has now.

The only thing this gobshíte wannabe Charlie Bird on the pavement will force Noonan to do is start using the state Mercs to get to work again.

You have a short memory google Hepititus scandal and Vat on children's shoes will show you his form.

Lapin · 20-10-2013 02:43PM

Hootanany wrote: »

You have a short memory google Hepititus scandal and Vat on children's shoes will show you his form.

What a way to through a topic way off course and take it out of all context.

I don't need to Google them. I remember both cases very well.

Don't see what either has to do with last weeks budget though.

Neither does the pavement interviewer apparentely as he never mentioned them either.

hatrickpatrick · 21-10-2013 12:55PM

amdublin wrote: »

realies wrote: »

How do you make that out

Ridiculous post.

^^^

Ridiculous post.

^ Ridiculous post.

Clandestine · 21-10-2013 12:57PM

Yeah.. walk up to him and blanket him with stupid questions. That'll change a lot

Diabhal Beag · 21-10-2013 01:00PM

Yer man who was recording was absolutely hoping we'd think he's cool. My tryhardometer was off the charts watching it.

DeanAustin · 21-10-2013 01:08PM

Christ, can't believe people having a go at Noonan here for that quip. It was a joke. Whether funny or not isn't the point, the man didn't mean any harm and it wasn't an attempt to hold the electorate in contempt.

This emotional blackmail about that kid is bullsh!t too. Every time there is a budget like we've had since 2008, there will be isolated sad stories. It's unavoidable when you're budgeting for the country. Noonan has a very tough job and is making a good fist of it from where I'm standing. He's not above or beyond criticism but he shouldn't have to endure this clown harassing him on his way to work.

pharmaton · 21-10-2013 01:17PM

whare's me bleedin medical card wha?

Sew up your pockets

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