Does Gerry Adams deserve more credit?

Nodin · 19-10-2013 09:29PM

razorgil wrote: »

will never happen. adams and co. believe they have earned their chance at democracy through the "sacrifices" they made in the past. adams has no intention of maoving aside. he bullied his way into the dáil for fúck sake, and he is of the (misgiuded) opinion that because of his pira past, he has some relevance to modern or future ireland, bullshít.

He was elected to the Dail, like the rest.

dirtyden · 19-10-2013 09:31PM

wazky wrote: »

You mentioned how previous leaders lied to grease their own pockets but not necessarily about murder, I pointed out that Charles Haughey was once involved with gun running.

Now gun running is where you acquire arms through illegal means usually for criminals, gangs, paramilitaries etc etc.

And guns fire little lead bullet which usually kill people.

Now do you see why I quoted you?

Haughey was acquitted of gun running you know?

funt cucker · 19-10-2013 09:32PM

dirtyden wrote: »

Haughey was acquitted of gun running you know?

He still did it, he bought the system. Had everyone in his pocket.

Lingua Franca · 19-10-2013 09:36PM

I liked the part when his niece told him that her dad had been raping her so the next day he reported her mother to Social Services for keeping a dirty house.

Any shred of respect I could ever have had for the man is lost.

He should do the decent thing and resign.

razorgil · 19-10-2013 09:37PM

Nodin wrote: »

He was elected to the Dail, like the rest.

of course he was. arthur morgan, three years his junior, and only in the dáil since 2002, out of the blue decides not to run for re-election, and in steps gerry, who, then resigns his seat in parliament. co-incidence i suppose.

Stabshauptmann · 19-10-2013 09:40PM

Question from OP: Does Adams deserve credit for his part in the peace process?

Answer from AH: No, because he played a part in the Troubles

Me thinks the point is lost of the great unwashed. Does the gunman who puts down his gun and gets his comrades to do the same deserve a bit of credit? imo, yes.

Banjo String · 19-10-2013 09:40PM

dirtyden wrote: »

Haughey was acquitted of gun running you know?

Whereas Gerry wasn't so lucky.

Oops. Wait.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 19-10-2013 09:40PM

first doyle wrote: »

Because the media has a habit of highlighting British victims of the troubles just as much as they have a habit of highlighting Adams role in the troubles while at the same time being completely ignorant of Irish victims and Britain's role.

Taking your own thread off topic?
Your own feelings towards the murderers who ruined this country for so many years and SF are clear from your contributions to other threads.

Adams should admit his involvement. As someone who lived through the horror of the "troubles" and had it visit his own neighbourhood on several occasions, I wouldn't give him credit for anything except prolonging the pain and delaying the political solution in the North for decades. Credit? Never!

Manassas61 · 19-10-2013 09:41PM

Charlie Rock wrote: »

And did they ever need to stop loyalists from doing this type of thing while the RUC looked on.

Make no mistake about it it was guns in the hands of Republicans that put an end to that shit. Loyalists weren't so interested when they realised there was a chance they'd get some of their own medicine and then began their sectarian murder campaign against innocent unarmed Catholics.

While the PIRA bombed pubs to try and kill innocent people, including children. Great heroes indeed.

To answer the OP, no he shouldn't. The very fact that he turned an eye to his child abusing brother is beyond belief. Probably the worst politician the Island has produced.

Manassas61 · 19-10-2013 09:41PM

Wattle wrote: »

If he was behind the order to disappear Jean McConville I'd find that very hard to forgive.

You won't be forgiving.

mattjack · 19-10-2013 09:43PM

Stabshauptmann wrote: »

Question from OP: Does Adams deserve credit for his part in the peace process?

Answer from AH: No, because he played a part in the Troubles

Me thinks the point is lost of the great unwashed. Does the gunman who puts down his gun and gets his comrades to do the same deserve a bit of credit? imo, yes.

So he was a gunman ....

wazky · 19-10-2013 09:44PM

dirtyden wrote: »

Haughey was acquitted of gun running you know?

Adams was never convicted of planting bombs but people always connect the two.

first doyle · 19-10-2013 09:44PM

Manassas61 wrote: »

While the PIRA bombed pubs to try and kill innocent people, including children. Great heroes indeed.

To answer the OP, no he shouldn't. The very fact that he turned an eye to his child abusing brother is beyond belief. Probably the worst politician the Island has produced.

You forgot to mention his role in the murder of Jean McConville and the Northern Bank Robbery.

What will they blame him for next, creating cancer?

The only thing Adams is guilty of is being an Irish Republican and that's what they hate about him most, what he represents.

Banjo String · 19-10-2013 09:46PM

Adeline Abundant Penniless wrote: »

Taking your own thread off topic?
Your own feelings towards the murderers who ruined this country for so many years and SF are clear from your contributions to other threads.

Adams should admit his involvement. As someone who lived through the horror of the "troubles" and had it visit his own neighbourhood on several occasions, I wouldn't give him credit for anything except prolonging the pain and delaying the political solution in the North for decades. Credit? Never!

Yeah. We should've just let the Brits walk all over the catholic population in the north. The cheek of them. Wanting civil rights and that.

Balmed Out · 19-10-2013 09:46PM

Charlie Rock wrote: »

If there's one thing Gerry Adams isn't it's a coward. The man spent the best part of his adult life on the run from the Brits and Loyalists.

One of the most accidentally funny things I've read in a long time.

Eight Ball · 19-10-2013 09:47PM

Huge respect for the guy given what he achieved when he turned his back on bullets and bombs.

Banjo String · 19-10-2013 09:47PM

Manassas61 wrote: »

While the PIRA bombed pubs to try and kill innocent people, including children. Great heroes indeed.

To answer the OP, no he shouldn't. The very fact that he turned an eye to his child abusing brother is beyond belief. Probably the worst politician the Island has produced.

Welcome back Keith me auld mucker.

funt cucker · 19-10-2013 09:49PM

I think what will happen in the near future is that Gerry will retire from politics, Sinn Fein probably want this anyway, It will distance them from the past. A bit like Mick O' Leary trying to change RYR at the moment, it will be tough.

But when it happens, maybe then the Irish electorate will not associate them with murder etc... It's all about perception. Then the Irish voters will vote them in and the evil overlords in Brussels will summon them to give them their agenda for the following year.

And we will go round and round in circles again..

mikeym · 19-10-2013 09:50PM

Slighty off topic but its inevitable that Sinn Fein will be the biggest opposition party in the Dail.

Labour Are Fine Gaels glove puppets and are going to suffer like the Greens and the PD's.

wazky · 19-10-2013 09:51PM

mikeym wrote: »

Labour Are Fine Gaels glove puppets and are going to suffer like the Greens and the PD's.

Safe to say that Enda's hand is firmly up Gilmore's arse.

dirtyden · 19-10-2013 09:51PM

wazky wrote: »

Adams was never convicted of planting bombs but people always connect the two.

Fair enough.

He was a member of the army council. He was an active IRA leader in Belfast. He has never admitted his involvement.

Martin McGuinness is someone I would have more time for integrity wise. I think Gerry is a bit of a snake. The only reason he does not acknowledge his involvement is because of some very ugly things that happened in Belfast when he was a senior provisional IRA leader. Now he has accused many of the people who have written about this of libel but he has never taken the trouble to take it to a court of law for some reason.

yoloc · 19-10-2013 09:55PM

Stabshauptmann wrote: »

Question from OP: Does Adams deserve credit for his part in the peace process?

Answer from AH: No, because he played a part in the Troubles

Me thinks the point is lost of the great unwashed. Does the gunman who puts down his gun and gets his comrades to do the same deserve a bit of credit? imo, yes.

Jesus **** you people are ****ing thick. Do you think if adams and the ira didnt do what they done, things would be ok up north for the catholics you idiots need to remember what it was all abou and do we think you or your ones across the border would do anything for us, not a ****ibg chance! The IRA are heros IMO for what they acheived for their people. Yes they might have been into some dodgy stuff like selling dodgey disel but look at why that price is set so ****ing high in tge first place. And that other idiot who posted after you about them blowing up innocent kids, **** sake are we ever going to hear something different from you peoplw yes innocent kids did die at the hands of the ira but there was a war ob and innocent kids where never tgeir target. Fcuk sake, the ira where well know for giving 1 and 2 hour warnings for their bombs to try and not kill anyone ffs. As for the op, gerry adams is a true fighting irish man and will go down in history as one. I even take ny hat of to him for only taking 300£ a week for his time. You wouldnt see bertie or any other of them scummy bastards settle for a normal wage, not a ****ing chance!

is now waiting for a reply from the idiots " O but what about his house in donegal and louth" lol

razorgil · 19-10-2013 09:59PM

yoloc wrote: »

Jesus **** you people are ****ing thick. Do you think if adams and the ira didnt do what they done, things would be ok up north for the catholics you idiots need to remember what it was all abou and do we think you or your ones across the border would do anything for us, not a ****ibg chance! The IRA are heros IMO for what they acheived for their people. Yes they might have been into some dodgy stuff like selling dodgey disel but look at why that price is set so ****ing high in tge first place. And that other idiot who posted after you about them blowing up innocent kids, **** sake are we ever going to hear something different from you peoplw yes innocent kids did die at the hands of the ira but there was a war ob and innocent kids where never tgeir target. Fcuk sake, the ira where well know for giving 1 and 2 hour warnings for their bombs to try and not kill anyone ffs. As for the op, gerry adams is a true fighting irish man and will go down in history as one. I even take ny hat of to him for only taking 300£ a week for his time. You wouldnt see bertie or any other of them scummy bastards settle for a normal wage, not a ****ing chance!

is now waiting for a reply from the idiots " O but what about his house in donegal and louth" lol

i'm speechless....

wazky · 19-10-2013 10:02PM

yoloc wrote: »

*Mad Rant*

Posters like this that give supporters of Adams/Sinn Fein/etc a bad name.

Stabshauptmann · 19-10-2013 10:03PM

razorgil wrote: »

i'm speechless....

Ditto, not only because of what (s)he posted, but also for failing to grasp that I'm one of the few people on this thread who thinks the man does deserve credit for embracing the ballot box

foggy_lad · 19-10-2013 10:03PM

first doyle wrote: »

Gerry Adams gets a lot of stick for being part of the PIRA's armed campaign during the troubles but he rarely if ever gets credit for his role in the peace process. Just recently he was at a commemoration marking the Warrington Bombing which is testament to the strength of the man's character. However not all were happy at his presence.

People who deserve just as much media attention as the Warrington victims are Irish victims of British atrocities. But this thread is not about that.

Like it or not, Gerry Adams is the main reason why the PIRA ended it's armed campaign in the first place and a lot of the peace and prosperity in the north of Ireland is owed to him.

Do you think Gerry Adams deserves more credit than he gets? To paint Gerry Adams as the main architect of all IRA violence in Ireland and Britain is to deny Britain's part in Ireland's conflict and is also offensive to Irish people who have lost their lives at the hands of Britain's security forces.

Corrected a bit there and the reason he attends things like that Warrington commemoration is to continue the subtle intimidation that all shinner politicians seem to be experts at.

Charlie Rock wrote: »

If there's one thing Gerry Adams isn't it's a coward. The man spent the best part of his adult life on the run from the Murdering innocent Brits and Loyalists.

Can you imagine any of the watery ****s we have in the Dail being interested in the job if they had a similar level of stress? No.

Don't you just hate it when democracy produces the 'wrong' result? So tough shit on you.

I just hate that so many murdering terrorist "heros" of Ireland are still lying to the Irish people and still trampling over the decisions of the majority with their "32 county republic" rubbish.

wazky wrote: »

Adams was never convicted of planting bombs but people always connect the two.

There is no smoke without a bloody big bomb and he had his thumbs firmly planted on the detonators of many a big bomb!

funt cucker · 19-10-2013 10:04PM

wazky wrote: »

Posters like this that give supporters of Adams/Sinn Fein/etc a bad name.

Absolutely agreed, what in the feck was all that shíte about anyway, I just saw a wall of text with no paragraphes?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 19-10-2013 10:04PM

first doyle wrote: »

You forgot to mention his role in the murder of Jean McConville and the Northern Bank Robbery.

What will they blame him for next, creating cancer?

The only thing Adams is guilty of is being an Irish Republican and that's what they hate about him most, what he represents.

Hang on a minute. You are confusing being a Republican with being involved in an armed struggle. I will admit to hating him but I most certainly do not hate the Irish Republic nor the notion of a United Ireland.

Your question was does he deserve credit for a part in the peace process. Attrocites by others, the ruination of the state by others are superfluous to your question. Does he deserve credit? No. He was one of the architects of the violence. His "support" for republicanism in an armed guise only delayed the peace process. He ended up with no more than Sunningdale allowed years before. And is not much further in achieving what these so called republicans sought for so many years and killed so many for. We now have a changed constitution that watered down our claim to the six counties, Westminster still governs the north, and Stormount is the seat of power for a lameduck assembly.
The civil rights movement, SDLP, successive governments etc. deserve some credit but Gerry Adam? No. Not in my book. But look, everyone to their own bias and delusions. I'm done with this because I can see it turning nasty - more a politics thread than After Hours really.

Manassas61 · 19-10-2013 10:06PM

Stabshauptmann wrote: »

Ditto, not only because of what the OP did, but also for failing to grasp that I'm one of the few people on this thread who thinks the man does deserve credit for embracing the ballot box

Why give him any credit though? You didn't see John Hume doing the things Gerry Adams did and the recent scandal with him is outrageous. I can't believe he is still a TD to be perfectly honest.

Imagine it was Enda Kenny and the response to it.

mattjack · 19-10-2013 10:09PM

yoloc wrote: »

Jesus **** you people are ****ing thick. Do you think if adams and the ira didnt do what they done, things would be ok up north for the catholics you idiots need to remember what it was all abou and do we think you or your ones across the border would do anything for us, not a ****ibg chance! The IRA are heros IMO for what they acheived for their people. Yes they might have been into some dodgy stuff like selling dodgey disel but look at why that price is set so ****ing high in tge first place. And that other idiot who posted after you about them blowing up innocent kids, **** sake are we ever going to hear something different from you peoplw yes innocent kids did die at the hands of the ira but there was a war ob and innocent kids where never tgeir target. Fcuk sake, the ira where well know for giving 1 and 2 hour warnings for their bombs to try and not kill anyone ffs. As for the op, gerry adams is a true fighting irish man and will go down in history as one. I even take ny hat of to him for only taking 300£ a week for his time. You wouldnt see bertie or any other of them scummy bastards settle for a normal wage, not a ****ing chance!

is now waiting for a reply from the idiots " O but what about his house in donegal and louth" lol

I'm pretty impressed by Gerry's financial talents , £300 a week and managed to buy two houses.

Does Gerry Adams deserve more credit?

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