Does Gerry Adams deserve more credit?

first doyle · 19-10-2013 08:45PM #1

Gerry Adams gets a lot of stick for supporting the PIRA's armed campaign during the troubles but he rarely if ever gets credit for his role in the peace process. Just recently he was at a commemoration marking the Warrington Bombing which is testament to the strength of the man's character. However not all were happy at his presence.

People who deserve just as much media attention as the Warrington victims are Irish victims of British atrocities. But this thread is not about that.

Like it or not, Gerry Adams is the main reason why the PIRA ended it's armed campaign in the first place and a lot of the peace and prosperity in the north of Ireland is owed to him.

Do you think Gerry Adams deserves more credit than he gets? To paint Gerry Adams as the main architect of all IRA violence in Ireland and Britain is to deny Britain's part in Ireland's conflict and is also offensive to Irish people who have lost their lives at the hands of Britain's security forces.

D1stant · 19-10-2013 08:46PM

If Gerry Adams admitted he was a senior IRA leader until recently I would respect him a lot more. The man is a coward and a liar. The fact he is a TD sickens me.

Vito Corleone · 19-10-2013 08:47PM

No.

patty o chair 55 · 19-10-2013 08:47PM

More credit? £32 million wasn't it?

mattjack · 19-10-2013 08:48PM

Is he with Vodafone or Meteor ? I like Vodafone myself .Their four euro Super Top Up credit thing is handy.

Jawgap · 19-10-2013 08:49PM

Yes - his childcare policies have been egregiously overlooked.

funt cucker · 19-10-2013 08:51PM

D1stant wrote: »

If Gerry Adams admitted he was a senior IRA leader until recently I would respect him a lot more. The man is a coward and a liar. The fact he is a TD sickens me.

More than Haughey and Bertie? The two C%nts that really ruined this country. I would give Gerry a go at it, sure the junkies on O' Connell street greeting the tourists have better ideas.

Valetta · 19-10-2013 08:54PM

first doyle wrote: »

People who deserve just as much media attention as the Warrington victims are Irish victims of British atrocities. But this thread is not about that.

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Why did you mention it, so?

theblaqueguy · 19-10-2013 08:54PM

Ya I think he deserves more credit for what he did in helping getting peace in the north but he also did bad things too so I think that is why people dont give him the credit he deserves

My name is URL · 19-10-2013 08:58PM

I'd say that SF and the general republican movement would be better off without him at this stage tbh. And I say that as someone who actually has a certain amount of respect for the man. Himself and the other old-hats should move aside graciously and allow the rest of the party to try and become something which isn't automatically derided for the past actions of a handful of its members.

Banjo String · 19-10-2013 08:59PM

D1stant wrote: »

If Gerry Adams admitted he was a senior IRA leader until recently I would respect him a lot more. The man is a coward and a liar. The fact he is a TD sickens me.

Maybe he can't admit to something if it isn't true? Even if it id, the consequences to the peace process would be devastating.

I really don't see how it's relevant now in peaceful times.

Ditto Eamonn Gilmore for that matter.

Fr_Dougal · 19-10-2013 09:00PM

I think history books will look kindly on Adams.

sarabroderick · 19-10-2013 09:00PM

Yeah his strategy of blackmailing his way into office is to be admired. Likewise his loyalty and silence over his sex offender brother is admirable

Karl Stein · 19-10-2013 09:02PM

D1stant wrote: »

The man is a coward...

If there's one thing Gerry Adams isn't it's a coward. The man spent the best part of his adult life on the run from the Brits and Loyalists.

Can you imagine any of the watery ****s we have in the Dail being interested in the job if they had a similar level of stress? No.

The fact he is a TD sickens me.

Don't you just hate it when democracy produces the 'wrong' result? So tough shit on you.

coolhull · 19-10-2013 09:05PM

At this stage, if Adams swore he was leader of the IRA, I still wouldn't believe him.
A lot of the time, he's honest and truthful.......then he wakes up and starts talking

dirtyden · 19-10-2013 09:05PM

Banjo String wrote: »

Maybe he can't admit to something if it isn't true? Even if it id, the consequences to the peace process would be devastating.

I really don't see how it's relevant now in peaceful times.

Ditto Eamonn Gilmore for that matter.

Well I think someone who will lie about his past so flagrantly may not be the best person to trust with power. Now saying that many of our previous leaders have been liars but usually just about thievery rather than murder.

wazky · 19-10-2013 09:07PM

dirtyden wrote: »

Well I think someone who will lie about his past so flagrantly may not be the best person to trust with power. Now saying that many of our previous leaders have been liars but usually just about thievery rather than murder.

Sure wasn't Charlie and a few of the good oul boys involved with smuggling guns in?, ah but we will look past that because that's totally different.

Banjo String · 19-10-2013 09:08PM

dirtyden wrote: »

Well I think someone who will lie about his past so flagrantly may not be the best person to trust with power. Now saying that many of our previous leaders have been liars but usually just about thievery rather than murder.

Who says he's lying?

You'd think even the Brits would have pinned something on the man if they had something. Y'know, seeing as how they weren't exactly his greatest fans for the best part of fifty years.

If you've a source that actually proves otherwise, put it up.

Karl Stein · 19-10-2013 09:11PM

wazky wrote: »

the good oul boys involved with smuggling guns

And did they ever need to stop loyalists from doing this type of thing while the RUC looked on.

Make no mistake about it it was guns in the hands of Republicans that put an end to that shit. Loyalists weren't so interested when they realised there was a chance they'd get some of their own medicine and then began their sectarian murder campaign against innocent unarmed Catholics.

funt cucker · 19-10-2013 09:12PM

Banjo String wrote: »

Who says he's lying?

You'd think even the Brits would have pinned something on the man if they had something. Y'know, seeing as how they weren't exactly his greatest fans for the best part of fifty years.

If you've a source that actually proves otherwise, put it up.

Sure they were tapping him for long enough, to portray a persona as an IRA leader.

Banjo String · 19-10-2013 09:14PM

funt cucker wrote: »

Sure they were tapping him for long enough, to portray a persona as an IRA leader.

Yet not enough to convict/prosecute?

dirtyden · 19-10-2013 09:14PM

wazky wrote: »

Sure wasn't Charlie and a few of the good oul boys involved with smuggling guns in?, ah but we will look past that because that's totally different.

What? That is relevant to what I said how, or are you just randomly quoting me? What does that have to do with Gerry Adams refusing to admit he was on the IRA army council, and was a leading active member of the IRA in Belfast?

funt cucker · 19-10-2013 09:15PM

Banjo String wrote: »

Yet not enough to convict/prosecute?

Same as Bertie and Haughey.

first doyle · 19-10-2013 09:15PM

Valetta wrote: »

Why did you mention it, so?

Because the media has a habit of highlighting British victims of the troubles just as much as they have a habit of highlighting Adams role in the troubles while at the same time being completely ignorant of Irish victims and Britain's role.

Banjo String · 19-10-2013 09:16PM

dirtyden wrote: »

What? That is relevant to what I said how, or are you just randomly quoting me? What does that have to do with Gerry Adams refusing to admit he was on the IRA army council, and was a leading active member of the IRA in Belfast?

You didn't get me that source so

razorgil · 19-10-2013 09:17PM

My name is URL wrote: »

I'd say that SF and the general republican movement would be better off without him at this stage tbh. And I say that as someone who actually has a certain amount of respect for the man. Himself and the other old-hats should move aside graciously and allow the rest of the party to try and become something which isn't automatically derided for the past actions of a handful of its members.

will never happen. adams and co. believe they have earned their chance at democracy through the "sacrifices" they made in the past. adams has no intention of maoving aside. he bullied his way into the dáil for fúck sake, and he is of the (misgiuded) opinion that because of his pira past, he has some relevance to modern or future ireland, bullshít.

seminarian · 19-10-2013 09:18PM

No.

wazky · 19-10-2013 09:20PM

dirtyden wrote: »

What? That is relevant to what I said how, or are you just randomly quoting me?

You mentioned how previous leaders lied to grease their own pockets but not necessarily about murder, I pointed out that Charles Haughey was once involved with gun running.

Now gun running is where you acquire arms through illegal means usually for criminals, gangs, paramilitaries etc etc.

And guns fire little lead bullet which usually kill people.

Now do you see why I quoted you?

Wattle · 19-10-2013 09:20PM

If he was behind the order to disappear Jean McConville I'd find that very hard to forgive.

Banjo String · 19-10-2013 09:21PM

funt cucker wrote: »

Same as Bertie and Haughey.

I never mentioned either of them two?

But let's get this straight. He would have been under intense and unrivalled surveillance by the British government (RUC, MI5, various army regiments etc) widely accepted as some of the leading intelligence agencies in the world for nigh on fifty years and they never pinned anything on him to convict him of IRA Membership or activities.

Yet you reckon he is spoofing, based on what exactly?

A haunch is it?

funt cucker · 19-10-2013 09:27PM

Banjo String wrote: »

I never mentioned either of them two?

But let's get this straight. He would have been under intense and unrivalled surveillance by the British government (RUC, MI5, various army regiments etc) widely accepted as some of the leading intelligence agencies in the world for nigh on fifty years and they never pinned anything on him to convict him of IRA Membership or activities.

Yet you reckon he is spoofing, based on what exactly?

A haunch is it?

I think you are taking me up wrong here, I'm on your side, I said I'd give him a chance on the first page, because Bertie and co, are the result of our problems, I think Adams has more integrity than all off Fine Gael and Fianna Fail put together.

Does Gerry Adams deserve more credit?

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