FUKUSHIMA

Capt'n Midnight · 09-10-2013 09:37PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-24332346

Prof Kurokawa blames what he calls "regulatory capture", a process by which the nuclear power industry "captured" the bureaucracy that was supposed to regulate it.

Put crudely, the "poachers" and the "gamekeepers" were far too close. Many senior bureaucrats from Japan's Nuclear Industry Safety Agency would take lucrative jobs in the nuclear industry after leaving government.

...
An investigation by Japan's NHK broadcaster last year found that simple equipment, things like mobile generators and battery packs that could have helped prevent the meltdowns, were sitting at a depot just 25 miles (40km) from the Fukushima plant.

After the tsunami knocked out the plant's electrical system there was still time to bring in the back-up equipment. Army helicopters were on standby. But there was no plan. Chaos ensued.

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In the large town of Minamisoma, 19 miles (30km) north of the plant, they are cleaning virtually every house. I watch a team of men using high-power sprayers to clean the roof of a farmhouse, surrounded by plastic sheets to catch the waste water, which is then pumped into a nearby tanker.

Another team of men is removing topsoil from the garden and putting it in huge plastic bags. The garden is then covered in a 2in (5cm) layer of fresh sand. Behind the house, shrubs and bamboo are being cut down and bagged. It will take a team of 20 men two days to finish this one house.
...

Finally let me end by quoting again Tatsujiro Suzuki, the deputy head of Japan's Atomic Energy Commission. I asked him why, if the nuclear industry knows there is a possibility of a disaster, does it continue to tell the public nuclear power is safe?

"We need to be prepared for the worst case. We need to tell the public this is the worst case. But if we tell the worst case, the public says ,'Don't build the reactor near here.' So that was the dilemma. And if you want to continue building nuclear power plants you have to keep telling people the reactors should be safe. But now that myth is gone."

tl;dr version

"there was no plan for how to deal with such a large and complex disaster"

General General · 16-10-2013 12:07PM

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/fukuppy-fukushima-industries-new-mascot-is-branding-disaster-8881883.html

Fantastic.

ZiabR · 16-10-2013 12:31PM

General General wrote: »

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/fukuppy-fukushima-industries-new-mascot-is-branding-disaster-8881883.html

Fantastic.

You have to love the Japs!

Voodoo_rasher · 18-10-2013 03:28PM

November..

http://www.channel4.com/news/fukushima-japan-nuclear-biggest-month-2011

The Pheasant2 · 18-10-2013 03:31PM

In fairness who the hell builds a nuclear power plant on a fault line

RandomName2 · 18-10-2013 03:41PM

shane9689 wrote: »

well,
what do you all make of this?
Chernobyl all over again?

i believe so anyways, i dont see how they can possibly contain it if its already this bad, except this is worse because japan is a very crowded island unlike free roaming ukraine

http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0901/471498-fukushima-radiation/

It's nothing near as bad as Chernobyl.

The explosion was tiny, the population was evacuated when the main danger was posed, the radiation was significantly lower. Most important, perhaps, there wasn't the same sort of state secrecy as seen in the USSR.

Fukishima was a really very badly designed plant though. It needed constant power to ensure it didn't go out of control. The tsunami flood waters knocking out the power generator make it go FUBAR.

Capt'n Midnight · 18-10-2013 08:11PM

RandomName2 wrote: »

It's nothing near as bad as Chernobyl.

LOL

One big problem the nuclear industry has is that we keep getting told the worst is over and then things get worse. And that goes for prices, construction delays, shutdowns, as well as for the times they spill the old glow in the dark.

It's also extremely hard to believe that the Nuclear Industry learns from it's mistakes. Nearly 2% of nuclear power plants worldwide have had to shut down reactors because of jellyfish. Finally after 16 years the Koreans are developing robots that will slice the jellyfish into tiny pieces.

Of course pieces of jellyfish can still gum up the works and releasing lots of eggs into a now nutrient rich environment may mean you have thousands of hungry little critters. It's almost as if they didn't think it through or ask any biologists.
http://deepseanews.com/2013/10/jelly-killing-machine-tested-in-korea/

BTW

Kiev is 140Km from Chernobyl.

Dublin is 120Km away from Wylfa.

Capt'n Midnight · 18-10-2013 08:21PM

RandomName2 wrote: »

Fukishima was a really very badly designed plant though. It needed constant power to ensure it didn't go out of control. The tsunami flood waters knocking out the power generator make it go FUBAR.

When you look into failings at nuclear plants you'll usually find a cascade of failures where there were numerous points at which the incident should have been headed off.

I've posted before about several other nuclear power plants in Japan that were lucky, IIRC another one lost all generators and all but one of the backup power lines, Another had the sea wall upgraded recently. I can dig it up only if you are prepared to accept that the Japanese got lucky that just Fukishima was affected rather than the oft trotted out story that they were unlucky.

Lots of ways this could have been prevented
Looking at historical data would have told them the risks on the site
Building a higher sea wall.
Having a proper disaster plan so the right backup equipment would get brought to site first instead of some days later.

18-10-2013 08:39PM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

When you look into failings at nuclear plants you'll usually find a cascade of failures where there were numerous points at which the incident should have been headed off.

I've posted before about several other nuclear power plants in Japan that were lucky, IIRC another one lost all generators and all but one of the backup power lines, Another had the sea wall upgraded recently. I can dig it up only if you are prepared to accept that the Japanese got lucky that just Fukishima was affected rather than the oft trotted out story that they were unlucky.

Lots of ways this could have been prevented
Looking at historical data would have told them the risks on the site
Building a higher sea wall.
Having a proper disaster plan so the right backup equipment would get brought to site first instead of some days later.

But you just said above that it was "lucky" that another had recently improved their sea wall. Was it luck or proper engineering?

Capt'n Midnight · 18-10-2013 09:06PM

Deleted User wrote: »

But you just said above that it was "lucky" that another had recently improved their sea wall. Was it luck or proper engineering?

Luck.

Because proper engineering would mean doing it properly in the first place.

Voodoo_rasher · 23-10-2013 07:30PM

supposedly to the Pacific..

http://thetruthwins.com/archives/28-signs-that-the-west-coast-is-being-absolutely-fried-with-nuclear-radiation-from-fukushima

http://enenews.com/sailor-after-we-left-japan-it-felt-as-if-the-ocean-itself-was-dead-nothing-alive-for-over-3000-miles-no-longer-saw-turtles-dolphins-sharks-birds-saw-one-whale-it-appeared-to-be-hel

http://enenews.com/biologist-finds-pink-salmon-that-are-canary-yellow-on-canadas-pacific-coast-insides-also-yellow-heart-parts-gill-arches-spines-cartilage-in-head-spleens-swollen-livers-spotted-some-with

shedweller · 23-10-2013 07:58PM

I read about that lad in the boat that said there was little or no sea life out there. That stuff is worrying. We as a species need to cop on or we'll go the way of the easter islanders.

Voodoo_rasher · 28-10-2013 08:22PM

here's whats happening to starfish.

http://enenews.com/tv-like-theyre-melting-a-lot-of-melting-sea-stars-out-there-says-seattle-biologist-its-concerning-in-under-a-week-roughly-60-of-species-are-sick-or-dying-says-veterinarian-same-th

someone there comments; "what is so complicated about the death of our food chain the loss of 70& or more of our worlds oxygen by the massive extinction of planckton…If our Oceans die we die." (edited).

More To follow..

http://enenews.com/ap-experts-fear-giant-underground-reservoir-of-extremely-contaminated-water-is-on-verge-of-entering-pacific-at-fukushima-plant-just-about-to-reach-coast-a-race-against-the-clock-no

F-plant - "built on a river"...

http://enenews.com/wsj-they-dont-know-where-fukushimas-melted-fuel-cores-are-or-in-what-state-expert-its-important-to-think-of-worst-case-scenario-might-be-even-more-heavily-contaminated-water-coming-th

NuckingFacker · 28-10-2013 09:23PM

Another little thought is the effects of the last two great Tsunamis. A wall of sea water smashes into the land, sweeping all before it..then receedes. Have a thought on what receeded with it, include bulk pesticides, vast quantities of fuel oils..and every other chemical, noxious and toxic as you like..mmm. Sure what harm could all that have done?

And the Japanese have such a track record of openeness, humanity and transparency, sure who wouldn't believe them when they say everything is under control at their monumental fcuk-up of a reactor? I have little idea why the international community have not swamped the place with impartial observers..unless there are either too many vested interests, or the reality is so fcuked that there is no way they want the public to know what is/has occurred.

UCDVet · 28-10-2013 09:34PM

When it first happened, I remember being on another site (Fark) and a few 'nutcases' were saying, 'They are lying! It is way worse than what they are saying....

And everyone called them crazy.

NuckingFacker · 28-10-2013 09:38PM

UCDVet wrote: »

When it first happened, I remember being on another site (Fark) and a few 'nutcases' were saying, 'They are lying! It is way worse than what they are saying....

And everyone called them crazy.

I remember when some people were saying a property crash was on the way and they were called whingers and told to go kill themselves. Time usually reveals the reality. I reckon it will with this utter fcuking kip of a reactor, excuse my french. BTW, it's worth a goo at who built it, that is quite revealing regarding vested interests.

Voodoo_rasher · 30-10-2013 10:23AM

"..unless there are either too many vested interests, or the reality is so fcuked that there is no way they want the public to know what is/has occurred."

Think you're correct on both counts. What sort of corruption led to the

siting of F####shima where it is, or that seven reactor complex thats built

atop a faultline..

Its believed that the manufacturers (not naming the C#rp#ration) sold faulty

reactors to Japan, knowing

that they would fail in a seismically active zone.

astrofool · 30-10-2013 11:19AM

I think some of the last few posts belong in the Conspiracy Theories forum rather than here.

NegativeCreep · 30-10-2013 11:22AM

Voodoo_rasher wrote: »

"..unless there are either too many vested interests, or the reality is so fcuked that there is no way they want the public to know what is/has occurred."

Think you're correct on both counts. What sort of corruption led to the

siting of F####shima where it is, or that seven reactor complex thats built

atop a faultline..

Its believed that the manufacturers (not naming the C#rp#ration) sold faulty

reactors to Japan, knowing

that they would fail in a seismically active zone.

Why are you blocking out fukushima and corporation with #'s?
Do you think it's a secret uncrackable code or something?

MRnotlob606 · 30-10-2013 11:28AM

i blame hirohito

MRnotlob606 · 30-10-2013 11:30AM

FUK U SHIMA IM LEAVING FOR A THAI LADY BOY

Jonny7 · 30-10-2013 11:34AM

Voodoo_rasher wrote: »

Its believed that the manufacturers (not naming the C#rp#ration) sold faulty

reactors to Japan, knowing

that they would fail in a seismically active zone.

They "sold" a reactor to a heavily earthquake prone country knowing it was going to fail in an earthquake?

Can we have the source for that?

weisses · 30-10-2013 11:40AM

General General wrote: »

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/fukuppy-fukushima-industries-new-mascot-is-branding-disaster-8881883.html

Fantastic.

Do they come with batteries included ?

Voodoo_rasher · 31-10-2013 08:56PM

Jonny7 wrote: »

They "sold" a reactor to a heavily earthquake prone country knowing it was going to fail in an earthquake?

Can we have the source for that?

they knowingly sold reactors that were faulty to Japan that were bound to fail. Its anecdotal, just stirred up a memory of hearing this one time before, sorry.

donegal__road · 14-01-2014 02:31AM

oysters perishing in huge numbers in Pacific.

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/2014960/mass-oyster-deaths-frighten-growers/?cs=305

osarusan · 14-01-2014 03:27AM

donegal__road wrote: »

oysters perishing in huge numbers in Pacific.

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/2014960/mass-oyster-deaths-frighten-growers/?cs=305

no link to Fukushima in that article, just mention of a mystery disease.

Cookie_Monster · 14-01-2014 04:19AM

donegal__road wrote: »

oysters perishing in huge numbers in Pacific.

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/2014960/mass-oyster-deaths-frighten-growers/?cs=305

and?...

disease, not radiation. And that is a restricted area of Australia, not all over the Pacific. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

M5 · 14-01-2014 05:27AM

http://skeptoid.com/blog/2013/10/28/more-fukushima-scaremongering-debunked/

In summary, Huge leak into ridiculously large body of water = dilution to a point where a banana is more radioactive*. There will be no "Blinkeys" in the Pacific!

*the area around Fukushima being the exception

Autonomous Cowherd · 14-01-2014 09:43AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CI_KExaudxk

Don't know how to embed....titled ''This 11 minute video shows us everything we need to know about Fukushima''

Even if the information included is exaggerated, somewhat exaggerated, or completely speculative (which i doubt) It amazes me that a leaking, bust-up, core-maybe-melting-down nuclear reactor is not daily news on our shared planet.

Back to your headlines about property prices and so on.....

Jonny7 · 14-01-2014 09:50AM

Autonomous Cowherd wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CI_KExaudxk

Don't know how to embed....titled ''This 11 minute video shows us everything we need to know about Fukushima''

Even if the information included is exaggerated, somewhat exaggerated, or completely speculative (which i doubt) It amazes me that a leaking, bust-up, core-maybe-melting-down nuclear reactor is not daily news on our shared planet.

Back to your headlines about property prices and so on.....

Without watching it (in work) I am going to take a wild guess that this is an objective, well sourced, informed, totally impartial look at the situation..

FUKUSHIMA

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