Geordie bouncer bodyslams man, caught on camera

darced · 15-10-2013 01:44AM

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Tombi! · 15-10-2013 01:47AM

darced wrote: »

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And that won't stop some people.
If a bouncer sees someone on the ground and someone stomping on their skull would you tell him to stay at his door and just watch?

Smidge · 15-10-2013 01:50AM

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

And that won't stop some people.
If a bouncer sees someone on the ground and someone stomping on their skull would you tell him to stay at his door and just watch?

Not much point in that.
It'll probably be his bouncer mate doing the stomping.

josip · 15-10-2013 02:16AM

MonaPizza wrote: »

What my employers trained me to do, i.e. use minimum force (not maximum which is what you seem to orgasm on) to keep the people in the club/pub who I am charged to protect, keep safe, and to keep undesirable clientele from attempting to gain access) Beyond the bounds of this simple task my workspace is confined to the premises wherein I am employed. Venture beyond the confines of said place of emploi negates my duties as security personnel. Engagement in affray, assault forthwith is prosecutable bereft of professional sanction and certainly beyond legal protection.

Does that COMPUTE?

I doubt that you'd use minimum force because your language and tone here are more escalatory than concilatory.

P.Walnuts · 15-10-2013 03:21AM

Madisyn Ambitious Snowmobile wrote: »

1. No you don't.

We've all said the second bouncer failed his mate, thats a given.. So how would you have dealt one on one with a violent punter?.. Me, I'd most likely have dumped him too.. So come on, you just said you know what a bouncers job entails so with your experience of working the doors and dealing with violent punters what would you have done?..

(btw I'm not really taking you serious at all but come on and I'll entertain you all the same).

I thought all bouncers were trained professionals, trained to restrain people in a (relatively) safe manner.

Guess not.

If your only course of action is to get into a street fight with the guy, then a bouncer you ain't.

bumper234 · 15-10-2013 06:52AM

P.Walnuts wrote: »

I thought all bouncers were trained professionals, trained to restrain people in a (relatively) safe manner.

Guess not.

If your only course of action is to get into a street fight with the guy, then a bouncer you ain't.

Trained by who?

bumper234 · 15-10-2013 08:01AM

20Cent wrote: »

Lifting another man in the air and smashing his head into concrete. Steroids cause rage and aggression. All those meathead guys use them.

The guy is not particularly big and is wearng a jacket, what makes you think he is a "meathead" on steroids? Adrenalin will give you strength you never knew you had.

20Cent wrote: »

Of course. Most people don't smash others headfirst into the pavement though. Real professional bouncers can't stand fella's like that puts them all in danger. Don't need a psycho on the door with them.

Where is your evidence the doorman is a psycho?

Dempsey wrote: »

Should you being a bouncer concern me?

LOL, what an ego trip! I'm well aware of what a bouncers job entails, thanks :rolleyes:

I would probably have worked with the other bouncer to restrain him and call the police. I think thats a fairly obvious way to handle the situation. I certainly wouldnt have done what he did. How would you have dealt with the situation?

Did you watch the video? It has been pointed out several times and is plain to see that the second doorman does nothing, You say it's an obvious way to deal with it but if you're in that situation where for whatever reason your backup fails then what do you do? What would YOU have done?

Dempsey wrote: »

:rolleyes:

The video and this hypothetical scenario have little in common, its a lame strawman argument. How a bouncer would handle a 1v1 situation with a dangerous drunk doesnt give any justification for what that bouncer did in the circumstances he faced. Somehow, the two of you think it does! Explain that one?

The circumstances where he has been repeatedly attacked you mean?

wprathead wrote: »

Because that is the only two options available..

I don't know, you are the bouncer, what does your training say you do in this situation? (Bare in mind, it is not "one on one" as there is a second bouncer available)

What training are you talking about here? Also i will point out yet again that the second security guy is not doing anything to help.

One thing that they have in England is called taxi bouncers. These are security guys who are hired by the county council to marshal the people queuing for taxi's so the second guy could be one of those. He could also be a security guard from the local burger joint and that's why he didn,t get involved, we don't see his badge so we cannot say for sure.

bumper234 · 15-10-2013 08:31AM

MonaPizza wrote: »

End of story?

I'm sure my meagre training in Wado-Ryu to the level of 4th Kyu may not save me from Maikokomis ear-biting and eye-gouging savagery but that doesn't qualify him to be an artist. And sneering at the destruction of an opponent qualifies him only as a hooligan.

And you "know" so much about the real world yet you spend half your diatribe guessing or wondering or speculating what might have happened. Shoddy speak for someone whose knowledge and experience is rooted in the "real world".

So if you were attacked by someone you would use rules, you would pull punches and kicks while all of the time the other guy is trying to use " ear-biting and eye-gouging savagery"? At what point do you meet like with like? If you end up on the ground do you think the guy will walk away happy or will he continue to kick seven shades out of you?

MonaPizza wrote: »

So you're a violent thug also? And proud of it?

What would you have done if he was still conscious after you "dumped him"? Perhaps a sokuto-fumikumi to the throat? Maybe after that if there was a gasp rattling out of his windpipe you might do the "American History X" Kerb dance on him and if that didn't finish him then maybe the old "head on a stick" blade to the spine?

Self defence, and all that "grasshopper".

He would probably do what the bouncer in the video did...walked away. Again i will ask what if the situation was reversed and it was the bouncer who had been slammed? Do you think mr blue shirt would have walked away or would he have done some of your "American History X" Kerb dance on him and if that didn't finish him then maybe the old "head on a stick" blade to the spine? Defending oneself from attack does not make you a violent thug:rolleyes:

darced wrote: »

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Maybe you should watch the video again, the guy is roughly the same size as the doorman, It's also been pointed out several times that the guy had allegedly attacked the doorman several times before this incident occurred so it was not just some "mouthy drunk" shouting abuse.

Czarcasm wrote: »

In that particular situation, tbh I'd have tried to talk to the guy first instead of taking a run at him to kick him in the leg like a cissy. If the guy wasn't open to verbal negotiation, then I'd have waited for him to throw the first punch so I could then restrain him.

These are some contributions from another thread that I'll leave here and you can make of them what you will -

What's to say the bouncer has not been trying to talk the guy down for the previous 20 minutes? Waiting for someone who is obviously approaching you in a confrontational matter to throw the first punch is a sure fire way of waking up in hospital.

Dyr · 15-10-2013 09:01AM

poor decision making by the bouncer, but then ya train a monkey to do something then that's what they'll do

Ebr sniper · 15-10-2013 09:01AM

Ok I speak as a bouncer here, my brothers and father are bouncers and security is the family business. We do not see the full story of what has gone on here so we can only comment on what we see. The other security officer in all black fails in support from what we see but we are not sure what else is going on at this time that he may be keeping an out for. The bouncer from what we see is OUT OF LINE!!! He has martial arts training it is OBVIOUS to see. It's a well placed calf kick to weaken the guy in the blue shirt. The then knees him in the stomach/ribs while bringing the guy in the blue shirts head down and bringing more momentum into the strike. Then he transitions into a choke hold before he body slams the guy into the kerb. That was a well measured attack and was purely WRECKLESS as it could have easily killed the guy. The was trained and could have easily restrained the guy but instead blew a fuse and endanangered a member of the publics life. He was the sober one and should have been thinking clearer than that. He brings a bad name to bouncers and the profession. It's a very tough job and idiots like that make it tougher. NO MATTER what happened before the clip started the bouncer is the attacker and aggressor so he deserves to be punished for his actions and should never work the doors again!
That is my opinion and I'm sure people will probably disagree with me but hey that's life!

wp_rathead · 15-10-2013 09:02AM

SIA Training

Im assuming there is something similar in Ireland - along with risk assessments and Code of Practice done so bouncers aren't put in this situation of, what some seem tl think, body slamming is only solution

Oranage2 · 15-10-2013 09:13AM

bumper234 wrote: »

The guy is not particularly big and is wearng a jacket, what makes you think he is a "meathead" on steroids? Adrenalin will give you strength you never knew you had.

Where is your evidence the doorman is a psycho?

Did you watch the video? It has been pointed out several times and is plain to see that the second doorman does nothing, You say it's an obvious way to deal with it but if you're in that situation where for whatever reason your backup fails then what do you do? What would YOU have done?

The circumstances where he has been repeatedly attacked you mean?

What training are you talking about here? Also i will point out yet again that the second security guy is not doing anything to help.

One thing that they have in England is called taxi bouncers. These are security guys who are hired by the county council to marshal the people queuing for taxi's so the second guy could be one of those. He could also be a security guard from the local burger joint and that's why he didn,t get involved, we don't see his badge so we cannot say for sure.

What training do bouncers get is a good question!

How do the bouncers here think running out like the karate Kid and beating a guy uconscience is better than trying to diffuse the situation and inform the guy that the police will be notified.

From reading this thread some bouncers sound like thugs who see bouncing as a platform to beat up drunks with their martial arts training.

bette · 15-10-2013 09:14AM

Lots of gutter wisdom being displayed here! Solomon was only an amateur compared to some of you clowns! If, if, if...

You weren't there nor do you see what is going on to the sides! The other bouncer may have been otherwise engaged. But hey, keyboard warriors, you arfe so wise in the ways of night club brawling. Did you study in Kings Inns?

bumper234 · 15-10-2013 09:29AM

Oranage2 wrote: »

What training do bouncers get is a good question!

How do the bouncers here think running out like the karate Kid and beating a guy uconscience is better than trying to diffuse the situation and inform the guy that the police will be notified.

From reading this thread some bouncers sound like thugs who see bouncing as a platform to beat up drunks with their martial arts training.

Ok

How would you have diffused the situation when the guy is approaching you in an aggressive manner? How would you diffuse the situation when the guy has already attacked you. At what point do you stop trying to diffuse the situation and defend yourself?

Also how do you not know the police have not already been called? He coauld have asked for police assistance ten minutes before this happened but on a busy night in a city center police cannot always be there in 3 minutes.

But hey you have watched the video and saw what the bouncer did (never mind what happened in the preceding minutes right?) and that's all your closed mind will ever see.

bette · 15-10-2013 09:35AM

bumper234 wrote: »

But hey you have watched the video and saw what the bouncer did (never mind what happened in the preceding minutes right?) and that's all your closed mind will ever see.

Just to add to that comment; a video such as this does not show exactly what happened. The only credible video would be directly from CCTV and from a sealed unit with a genuine timeline.

Hollywood supplies us with many interesting videos which clowns take as real. For God's sake, even that machine gunned cat had people incensed!

Ebr sniper · 15-10-2013 09:38AM

bumper234 wrote: »

Ok

How would you have diffused the situation when the guy is approaching you in an aggressive manner? How would you diffuse the situation when the guy has already attacked you. At what point do you stop trying to diffuse the situation and defend yourself?

Also how do you not know the police have not already been called? He coauld have asked for police assistance ten minutes before this happened but on a busy night in a city center police cannot always be there in 3 minutes.

But hey you have watched the video and saw what the bouncer did (never mind what happened in the preceding minutes right?) and that's all your closed mind will ever see.

Bumper none of us will ever know everything that happened but we judge the actions we see! The doorman does not just defend himself he uses excessive force which by any letter of the law is wrong! Unfortunately taking **** from drunks is part of the every night occurance for a door man. People are entitled to they're opinion it's not a case of "closed mindedness"!

bette · 15-10-2013 09:58AM

Ebr sniper wrote: »

Bumper none of us will ever know everything that happened but we judge the actions we see! The doorman does not just defend himself he uses excessive force which by any letter of the law is wrong! Unfortunately taking **** from drunks is part of the every night occurance for a door man. People are entitled to they're opinion it's not a case of "closed mindedness"!

As Dirty Harry once remarked; opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one and they all stink...

bumper234 · 15-10-2013 10:05AM

Ebr sniper wrote: »

Bumper none of us will ever know everything that happened but we judge the actions we see! The doorman does not just defend himself he uses excessive force which by any letter of the law is wrong! Unfortunately taking **** from drunks is part of the every night occurance for a door man. People are entitled to they're opinion it's not a case of "closed mindedness"!

Sniper...i agree....i cannot be insulted because no matter what someone says to me i have heard it at least 10 times before so insults are nothing, The moment someone attacks me then that's when i will use whatever force i deem necessary to ensure that i get home safely at night.

Most door men are just normal guys, with families trying to earn money, they don't have any martial arts or such training. I know for myself personally a long slow boring night was considered a successful night but on the odd occasion where i did have to use force/violence to defend myself i didn't hold back because i knew that the people attacking me were not going to.

FTA69 · 15-10-2013 11:09AM

MonaPizza wrote: »

If you would like to broadcast the fact that you are a Martial Artist, yet gleefully rejoice in the near killing of someone out of revenge or bloodlust, then refer to yourself as a thug, not an artist.

I don't recall either him or myself "rejoicing" at your man getting a hiding. Similarly I'm NOT saying that what went on was an ideal outcome, rather the fact that we don't fully know what went on in this situation and that the best response would have been for both doormen to restrain your man on the floor.

I'm sure my meagre training in Wado-Ryu to the level of 4th Kyu may not save me

I couldn't care less how many coloured belts you have in your drawer at home to be honest. It doesn't make you any more experienced about what it's like to be in this particular situation.

And you "know" so much about the real world yet you spend half your diatribe guessing or wondering or speculating what might have happened.

I'm a former full-time doorman who did that job for long enough; which is why I can sympathise to a degree with your man IF indeed it emerges that he was repeatedly attacked prior to the filming.

Pointing out that you shouldn't write someone off as a complete maniac unless you're familiar with the full story isn't me being shoddy or guessing. It's simply pointing out the fact that I'm not fully familiar with all the facts, the same way you aren't.

I think this situation was badly handled and unfortunate, so please stop trying to portray me as a thug with a bloodlust please.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 15-10-2013 11:54AM

Ebr sniper wrote: »

Ok I speak as a bouncer here,

I doubt it.. You also play soldiers with airsoft toys ~ you like to make believe.

Its funny that no one here except the guys who work the doors can say how they'd have handled the punter in a different manner ~ not one!.

Oh wait, here's how!.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z0_n7tGnK0

</insert rolly eyes>

bumper234 · 15-10-2013 11:57AM

Madisyn Ambitious Snowmobile wrote: »

I doubt it.. You also play soldiers with airsoft toys ~ you like to make believe.

Its funny that no one here except the guys who work the doors can say how they'd have handled the punter in a different manner ~ not one!.

Oh wait, here's how!.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z0_n7tGnK0

</insert rolly eyes>

I actually used that technique on a guy one night....ok i had just had onion rings and garlic chips maybe that had something to do with it

P.Walnuts · 15-10-2013 11:59AM

Madisyn Ambitious Snowmobile wrote: »

I doubt it.. You also play soldiers with airsoft toys ~ you like to make believe.

Its funny that no one here except the guys who work the doors can say how they'd have handled the punter in a different manner ~ not one!.

Oh wait, here's how!.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z0_n7tGnK0

</insert rolly eyes>

Honest question, do Bouncers in Ireland not have to be trained and certified before they go on the door?

bumper234 · 15-10-2013 12:00PM

P.Walnuts wrote: »

Honest question, do Bouncers in Ireland not have to be trained and certified before they go on the door?

They have to go on a training course but there is no physical training that teaches you how to deal with a violent person. (At least there wasn't when i did my licence).

arybvtcw0eolkf · 15-10-2013 12:04PM

bumper234 wrote: »

I actually used that technique on a guy one night....ok i had just had onion rings and garlic chips maybe that had something to do with it

Guinness farts work too.. btw, I'm out of this thread ~ its beyond stupid & dim.. If you have any contact for Justin or Jean I'd love to get it from you.. I'm just finishing up my lunch break, I'll PM you later..

Regards, and if you ever go back on the doors be safe.

P.Walnuts · 15-10-2013 12:14PM

bumper234 wrote: »

They have to go on a training course but there is no physical training that teaches you how to deal with a violent person. (At least there wasn't when i did my licence).

In this day and age where you have to go to a health and safety course to lift a bloody box in work, I think it's a bit of an oversight not to train bouncers how to safely restrain people, since that is one of the main tasks they will need to regularly complete.

truebluesac · 15-10-2013 12:31PM

Madisyn Ambitious Snowmobile wrote: »

Good ol' Chuck, is he still up in The Harp?.

Last time I seen him he was looking the worse for his years on the door.

Yeah he's still up there . Still drop the odd call to him but I'm off doors along time now so just drifted . Ya know how it is

dazberry · 15-10-2013 12:37PM

P.Walnuts wrote: »

In this day and age where you have to go to a health and safety course to lift a bloody box in work, I think it's a bit of an oversight not to train bouncers how to safely restrain people, since that is one of the main tasks they will need to regularly complete.

My wife has to regularly train in restraint techniques, once called "control and restraint", now called "care and responsibility". She doesn't work as a door person...

D.

MonstaMash · 15-10-2013 12:49PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

What training do bouncers get is a good question!

A FETAC Level 4 Minor Module in Door Supervisor Procedures is required for any door personnel in order to work in the industry in this country.

http://www.psa.gov.ie/Website/psa/psa.nsf/undefined/newsitems/29E2BB3D191F6EB0802571B90058F739?Opendocument

josip · 15-10-2013 12:51PM

dazberry wrote: »

My wife has to regularly train in restraint techniques, once called "control and restraint", now called "care and responsibility". She doesn't work as a door person...

Customer Care at Ryan Air?

truebluesac · 15-10-2013 12:51PM

We don't see the full story before or after the fact . The threat of immeniant force is classed as assualt whereas the act of hitting Sombody is called battery

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault

The blue topped man is the aggressor as he is verbally abuseing as he walk towards the doorman . He got his come up ins . Although the ending was a little OTT .

If this had of been 2 scummers on the side of the road we would be reading the title on you tube similar to bully gets owned or bully fail and wed all be laughing at him .

Similar to
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HX5xFwVz2tE

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Geordie bouncer bodyslams man, caught on camera

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