Geordie bouncer bodyslams man, caught on camera

ruthloss · 14-10-2013 08:34AM

BillyMitchel wrote: »

Bouncers aren't the only ones that put up with drunken eejits on a daily basis but yet people in other professions keep their cool.

There is zero excuse for the bouncer to react like this.

Hope that fella got himself a good solicitor.

And that my friend, is why 'other professions' keep their cool. Not that they wouldn't love to slap the heads off the drunken eejits.

Artful_Badger · 14-10-2013 08:35AM

Smidge wrote: »

If you don't care about it, why do you sound so annoyed?

Also, think about it?
After the drunkard has a row with whoever it may be barman/bouncer/chip shop server and so and gets sent on his drunken way but is now riled up to the hilt, who is his last post of call?
A taxi, that's who*

*I am not/never have been a taxi driver btw:D

I'm not annoyed just making clear I am not condoning the bouncers behavior but at the same time dont really care that some drunken idiot got slammed after starting a fight with him.

Last person to deal with drunks may be taxi drivers, but its not a hands on job and they are not forcing people off a premises. They dont physically deal with people and as such are less likely to have a physical altercation with them. Still happens but no way in hell it happens more often than with bouncers.

Artful_Badger · 14-10-2013 08:36AM

MonaPizza wrote: »

Really? Funny all the hypothetical situations people come up with. Last weekend I was walking home through temple bar after popping to Centra.
Outside Fitzsimons there was a rake of commotion. Two of the doormen/bouncers had taken a guy to the pavement and were restraining him in what looked like a fairly effective position. The guy was clearly drunk and very aggressive. He was also big...much bigger than the guy who got slammed into the pavement yet the two bouncers had him well restrained on his back, weight on legs, knee on shoulder and other arm pinned. Guy's girlfriend was also kicking off and was being dealt with by a third doorman. The Guards arrived (they had been alerted by the bouncers) and then the guy was let up and handed to the police. He was then taken aside and forced to explain himself to them. What the outcome was I didn't wait to find out.

These two cocksuckers in the video could easily have done the same but no. This guy just wanted an excuse to inflict some low-risk extreme violence on an easy target.

What has any of that got to do with me or hypothetical situations ? I never said the guy did the right thing but bouncers cant restrain people and call the cops willy nilly. They can only do it once it kicks off and the person gets violent. You take a lot of situations where there is a lot of mouthing off and then a physical altercation and its just simply unrealistic to think it will end perfectly 100% of the time. The odd occasion someone loses the cool which seems to have happened here. As much as you want bouncers to be the perfect human beings its never gonna happen. They are just huge blokes on the door of shítty pubs and clubs that get a lot of hassle.

Oranage2 · 14-10-2013 08:42AM

Certain jobs attract certain people and due to the nature of the job, bouncing attracts your typical not so smart big alpha male type.

There needs to be proper rules in place, come down hard on bouncers that assault members of the public and also come down hard on people that attack bouncers.

bumper234 · 14-10-2013 08:52AM

The doorman's actions (while he may have been defending himself) are disgraceful. Saying that on the other hand the second doorman is as much to blame for this incident getting to the stage it did by not stepping in straight away and helping to restrain the guy. Not a great night for any involved imo.

Oranage2 · 14-10-2013 09:05AM

bumper234 wrote: »

The doorman's actions (while he may have been defending himself) are disgraceful. Saying that on the other hand the second doorman is as much to blame for this incident getting to the stage it did by not stepping in straight away and helping to restrain the guy. Not a great night for any involved imo.

Bouncers are just members of the public, their job is to police the clubs right of admission. The second bouncer is as much to blame as any other member of the public witnessing it, which is none at all.

bumper234 · 14-10-2013 09:08AM

Oranage2 wrote: »

Bouncers are just members of the public, their job is to police the clubs right of admission. The second bouncer is as much to blame as any other member of the public witnessing it, which is none at all.

The second doorman should have intervened and helped his colleague to restrain the guy then it would not have come to its life threatening conclusion, while the second doorman may not be legally obliged to intervene he most certainly is "expected" to help his work colleague.

Oranage2 · 14-10-2013 09:17AM

bumper234 wrote: »

The second doorman should have intervened and helped his colleague to restrain the guy then it would not have come to its life threatening conclusion, while the second doorman may not be legally obliged to intervene he most certainly is "expected" to help his work colleague.

Judging by the video the bouncer just ran out and started assaulting the guy, we don't know what the other bouncers relationship is to the first one, it's not his job to stop street fights.

bumper234 · 14-10-2013 09:20AM

Oranage2 wrote: »

Judging by the video the bouncer just ran out and started assaulting the guy, we don't know what the other bouncers relationship is to the first one, it's not his job to stop street fights.

It doesn't matter it's called professional courtesy. If you see another doorman (whether he is working the same bar as you or not) in a situation and you are able to step in and help then you do just that no questions asked.

14-10-2013 09:23AM

Both were in the wrong. The guy who started it deserved a slap.

The bouncer went too far, let's face it he could have killed him or paralysed him.

Saying that I find it hard to have too much sympathy for the guy on the ground. He won't try that again

14-10-2013 09:27AM

MonaPizza wrote: »

How do you know this or are you just guessing?
And why do you say mobile phone recordings are a scourge? Because they have the potential to expose excessive brutality, violence, criminality?

For someone who refers to their combat training at every possible opportunity you certainly have a poor grasp of the philosophy behind the martial arts. Using someone's motion and mistakes to defend yourself and bring the threat (if there is one) to a conclusion is not exactly the same thing as ramming someone full force onto a concrete pavement.

He has a good point. You don't know what went on before this recording was made. It might only be 50% of the altercation.

Gambas · 14-10-2013 09:33AM

The root problem here is the drink culture and people getting pissed and becoming aggressive. Take the alcohol away and this thread doesn't happen. The bouncers behaviour is a secondary consequence.

General General · 14-10-2013 09:36AM

I can't take this seriously as they are not wearing costumes.

FTA69 · 14-10-2013 10:19AM

MonaPizza wrote: »

For someone who refers to their combat training at every possible opportunity you certainly have a poor grasp of the philosophy behind the martial arts. Using someone's motion and mistakes to defend yourself and bring the threat (if there is one) to a conclusion is not exactly the same thing as ramming someone full force onto a concrete pavement.

I'm sorry but you haven't a clue what you are on about. "Martial arts" aren't flowery systems rooted in philosophy, they're methods of fighting, end of story. Boxing is a martial art and its purpose is to punch people, hurt them and not get hit yourself. That Karate Kid nonsense you're on about doesn't exist in the real world. Fighting isn't this aesthetic art form whereupon you have time to debate momentum and leverage, it's far more nasty and violent than that unfortunately.

The fact is we don't know enough of what's going on here. Your man may have multiple times approached the door giving people sh*t, attempting to slap or hit the doormen in which case the bouncer would have been reasonably justified in what he did.

However, it could also be the case that the doorman is an arsehole who lost the rag when he should have been professional and kept his cool.

everlast75 · 14-10-2013 10:53AM

I reckon there's a fair chance something happened in the build up to this. It seems a little odd that the recording happens at a point which suits the guy trying to get in.

We don't know the full facts but if the clip is the 'be all and end all' it was a disproportionate response by the bouncer.

Czarcasm · 14-10-2013 11:15AM

FTA69 wrote: »

I'm sorry but you haven't a clue what you are on about. "Martial arts" aren't flowery systems rooted in philosophy, they're methods of fighting, end of story. Boxing is a martial art and its purpose is to punch people, hurt them and not get hit yourself. That Karate Kid nonsense you're on about doesn't exist in the real world. Fighting isn't this aesthetic art form whereupon you have time to debate momentum and leverage, it's far more nasty and violent than that unfortunately.

Martial Arts have always been rooted in philosophy and self-discipline, and the combat element is about self defence. The word "Judo" itself means "gentle way". Boxing too btw isn't just about fighting and beating the other guys brains out, it's also about self-discipline.

Shigeru Egami, Chief Instructor of Shotokan Dojo, opined "that the majority of followers of karate in overseas countries pursue karate only for its fighting techniques ... Movies and television ... depict karate as a mysterious way of fighting capable of causing death or injury with a single blow ... the mass media present a pseudo art far from the real thing." Shoshin Nagamine said "Karate may be considered as the conflict within oneself or as a life-long marathon which can be won only through self-discipline, hard training and one's own creative efforts."

For many practitioners, karate is a deeply philosophical practice. Karate-do teaches ethical principles and can have spiritual significance to its adherents. Gichin Funakoshi ("Father of Modern Karate") titled his autobiography Karate-Do: My Way of Life in recognition of the transforming nature of karate study. Today karate is practiced for self-perfection, for cultural reasons, for self-defense and as a sport.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karate

What's on display in that clip isn't martial arts, it's some thick as pigshít baboon who lacks the self-discipline that is required in his profession. It's cnuts like him who give security staff a bad name. Security staff are employed to protect the establishment and the patrons therein. They are not employed to fight. They are employed to protect.

The fact is we don't know enough of what's going on here. Your man may have multiple times approached the door giving people sh*t, attempting to slap or hit the doormen in which case the bouncer would have been reasonably justified in what he did.

However, it could also be the case that the doorman is an arsehole who lost the rag when he should have been professional and kept his cool.

There is NO reasonable justification whatsoever for what that bouncer did and I'd hate for anyone to be given the impression that the bouncer used any technique from the martial arts. That was a scrappy, brute force attack (a piss poor attempt at a leg sweep, followed by dragging the guy around in a head lock and finishing by pile driving him into the pavement!), and that's the sort of thing you'll see when a guy tries to copy what he's seen on TV.

There was no attempt by the bouncer at any point to restrain the guy, and even in the pile driver movement there was no attempt to protect the guys head, neck nor spine-

The piledriver is generally considered a dangerous maneuver in wrestling because of the potential impact on the head and compression of the neck. A properly executed standard piledriver has the opponent's head barely touching the ground, if at all. When the head is not in the proper position, serious injury or paralysis can occur. Perhaps most famously, at the 1997 WWF SummerSlam pay-per-view, Owen Hart botched a reverse piledriver in his match against Stone Cold Steve Austin. Austin suffered a broken neck and, while he would still go on to his main event push, the injury ultimately contributed to Austin's in-ring retirement in 2003. CM Punk delivered one against John Cena in 2013 for the No.1 Contender spot against The Rock for the WWE Championship at Wrestlemania 29, likely with prior permission.

The piledriver was banned in WWE in 2000, unless the wrestler has special permission to use the move. In a discussion in 2007, Stephanie McMahon said that only two wrestlers were allowed to use the move, "two of the stronger guys", Undertaker and Kane. In fact, The Undertaker's tombstone piledriver continues to be his finishing move. The piledriver is also banned in many other promotions and certain cities. It is also considered an automatic disqualification in professional wrestling matches held in Memphis, Tennessee, as the move is banned in that city.In some promotions in the United Kingdom, the move can result in not only a disqualification, but a fine. In Mexico, the piledriver (called a martinete) is an automatic disqualification.

In short - I hope the bastard does time for assault and never is never employed as a security staff member again. The less cnuts like him there are in the profession, the more people will realise that security staff are there to protect them, they're there to see that everybody enjoys their night out in a safe environment. They're not there to pick fights with anyone or respond to being challenged by drunken idiots.

bumper234 · 14-10-2013 11:19AM

Czarcasm wrote: »

Martial Arts have always been rooted in philosophy and self-discipline, and the combat element is about self defence. The word "Judo" itself means "gentle way". Boxing too btw isn't just about fighting and beating the other guys brains out, it's also about self-discipline.

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Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karate

What's on display in that clip isn't martial arts, it's some thick as pigshít baboon who lacks the self-discipline that is required in his profession. It's cnuts like him who give security staff a bad name. Security staff are employed to protect the establishment and the patrons therein. They are not employed to fight. They are employed to protect.

There is NO reasonable justification whatsoever for what that bouncer did and I'd hate for anyone to be given the impression that the bouncer used any technique from the martial arts. That was a scrappy, brute force attack (a piss poor attempt at a leg sweep, followed by dragging the guy around in a head lock and finishing by pile driving him into the pavement!), and that's the sort of thing you'll see when a guy tries to copy what he's seen on TV.

There was no attempt by the bouncer at any point to restrain the guy, and even in the pile driver movement there was no attempt to protect the guys head, neck nor spine-

In short - I hope the bastard does time for assault and never is never employed as a security staff member again. The less cnuts like him there are in the profession, the more people will realise that security staff are there to protect them, they're there to see that everybody enjoys their night out in a safe environment. They're not there to pick fights with anyone or respond to being challenged by drunken idiots.

Quick question. What training do you think doormen go through to become doormen? Not everyone has spent 10 years learning martial arts and in fact the majority of doormen are just guys trying to earn some money. As stated already we only see a small clip of what happened how do we know that the bouncer has not been assaulted previously by this guy in the minutes preceding what we see?

chopper6 · 14-10-2013 11:27AM

MonaPizza wrote: »

Agreed. The bouncer faces serious retribution now. He'll never work as a bouncer (or probably anything) ever again...maybe an enforcer for some gang after he gets out. The club and security company also better have serious liability insurance.

Lol...do you know anything about doorwork?

The bloke got what he was asking for end of...the fact that the doorman's colleague didnt assist in any way was the real scandal.

tin79 · 14-10-2013 11:28AM

Czarcasm wrote: »

Martial Arts have always been rooted in philosophy and self-discipline, and the combat element is about self defence. The word "Judo" itself means "gentle way". Boxing too btw isn't just about fighting and beating the other guys brains out, it's also about self-discipline.

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Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karate

What's on display in that clip isn't martial arts, it's some thick as pigshít baboon who lacks the self-discipline that is required in his profession. It's cnuts like him who give security staff a bad name. Security staff are employed to protect the establishment and the patrons therein. They are not employed to fight. They are employed to protect.

There is NO reasonable justification whatsoever for what that bouncer did and I'd hate for anyone to be given the impression that the bouncer used any technique from the martial arts. That was a scrappy, brute force attack (a piss poor attempt at a leg sweep, followed by dragging the guy around in a head lock and finishing by pile driving him into the pavement!), and that's the sort of thing you'll see when a guy tries to copy what he's seen on TV.

There was no attempt by the bouncer at any point to restrain the guy, and even in the pile driver movement there was no attempt to protect the guys head, neck nor spine-

In short - I hope the bastard does time for assault and never is never employed as a security staff member again. The less cnuts like him there are in the profession, the more people will realise that security staff are there to protect them, they're there to see that everybody enjoys their night out in a safe environment. They're not there to pick fights with anyone or respond to being challenged by drunken idiots.

That's all well and good but what he did was no where near a pile driver. A pile driver is vertical. That was more of a falling powerslam.

FTA69 · 14-10-2013 11:34AM

Martial Arts have always been rooted in philosophy and self-discipline, and the combat element is about self defence.

Martial means military. Sword-fighting, wrestling etc were all developed as a means to effectively harm someone, i.e. they had practical uses on a battlefield. Self-discipline also came about because you needed that to train and practice effectively, as well as the culture of respect and fraternity you with the people you train with. Regardless of the philosophy behind martial arts, their purpose remains the same.

Security staff are employed to protect the establishment and the patrons therein. They are not employed to fight. They are employed to protect.

Very true. That is the raison d'etre of a doorman. However, as I said before, you don't know what went on before that video was switched on. Your man might have been a persistent nuisance or he may not have been. Even if it was the former the two lads should have hopped on him and restrained him. The bouncer came out immediately to strike him and that to me would indicate he was throwing his weight around.

I'd hate for anyone to be given the impression that the bouncer used any technique from the martial arts. That was a scrappy, brute force attack (a piss poor attempt at a leg sweep, followed by dragging the guy around in a head lock and finishing by pile driving him into the pavement!), and that's the sort of thing you'll see when a guy tries to copy what he's seen on TV.

Seemed like a low kick to me followed by him attempting a guillotine. All fights look messy by the way, whether or not the participants are trained or not.

For all I know your man in question may have fully deserved a hiding, if he had previously struck members of staff then unfortunately that sort of thing is what's going to happen to him. Or maybe the bouncer was a nutter. We just don't know really. Personally I'd lean toward the latter.

chopper6 · 14-10-2013 11:34AM

Here's a good example of what happens when somebody requires a beating to stop them causing any more damage.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=dcc44a4051

The bloke was a danger to everybody in range and wouldnt back off despite the bouncers locking him outside.

Czarcasm · 14-10-2013 11:36AM

bumper234 wrote: »

Quick question. What training do you think doormen go through to become doormen? Not everyone has spent 10 years learning martial arts and in fact the majority of doormen are just guys trying to earn some money. As stated already we only see a small clip of what happened how do we know that the bouncer has not been assaulted previously by this guy in the minutes preceding what we see?

It's a long time now since I did my training in Athlone, I don't know is the course still available, actually just did a quick google there, you have this one -

Door Security Procedures- 4N1114

and this one -

Private Security Personnel

and there are numerous courses provided by private security firms such as this one -

Door Security Procedures

The majority of security staff (I hate to just say door men because there are female security staff also) aren't just there to earn money, they take their profession and their jobs seriously. That's why I'm saying that guys like the idiot in the above clip that lack discipline and self control don't belong in the business. It doesn't matter how big and brawny you are, the most important tool when doing your job properly as a member of security staff is that you engage your brain before you engage your fists.

bumper234 · 14-10-2013 11:39AM

Czarcasm wrote: »

It's a long time now since I did my training in Athlone, I don't know is the course still available, actually just did a quick google there, you have this one -

Door Security Procedures- 4N1114

and this one -

Private Security Personnel

and there are numerous courses provided by private security firms such as this one -

Door Security Procedures

The majority of security staff (I hate to just say door men because there are female security staff also) aren't just there to earn money, they take their profession and their jobs seriously. That's why I'm saying that guys like the idiot in the above clip that lack discipline and self control don't belong in the business. It doesn't matter how big and brawny you are, the most important tool when doing your job properly as a member of security staff is that you engage your brain before you engage your fists.

I agree but some posters in here think that doorstaff go through years of training including all sorts of martial arts before they start work. The truth of the matter is that as long as you don't have a serious conviction you can become a fully licensed doorman within a week with no training whatsoever.

FTA69 · 14-10-2013 11:47AM

Czarcasm wrote: »

The majority of security staff (I hate to just say door men because there are female security staff also) aren't just there to earn money, they take their profession and their jobs seriously.

I always took my job seriously and was full-time at it for a while, but the majority of doorstaff in Ireland are part-time and they do it because they enjoy the work and the hourly rate can be decent.

That's why I'm saying that guys like the idiot in the above clip that lack discipline and self control don't belong in the business

I'd agree with you to be honest. As I said, we don't know the full picture here but to me the doormen in the above clip were both useless.

It doesn't matter how big and brawny you are, the most important tool when doing your job properly as a member of security staff is that you engage your brain before you engage your fists.

Very true.

pundy · 14-10-2013 12:15PM

Drunk scum gets what he deserves. pity it was filmed. hopefully the scrote who was filming got a hiding aswell. sick of scumbags getting away with murder because of this new fad of filming everything.

sure, how do we know they didnt provoke the whole thing to get compo for a slap and their plan backfired when he got smashed on the ground.

someone should have spat on him while he was down too.

Moneymaker · 14-10-2013 12:24PM

IT'S STILL REAL TO ME, DAMMIT!

Duck Soup · 14-10-2013 01:08PM

Bodyslam Bouncer Is Revealed As Fearsome Mixed Martial Arts Fighter

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=466_1381383468

The bouncer caught on camera bodyslamming a troublesome drinker onto the pavement can be revealed today as Lewis Barrow, a trained martial arts fighter.

It is understood Mr Barrow, 30, has been suspended as a doorman whilst his employer carries out an investigation into the incident.

Sky Tyne and Wear has discovered film footage of one of Barrow's fights, a ferocious title bout in which he is the one who ends up motionless on the ground after having his head pounded by opponent Stevie Lynch.

He caused furore when a video emerged of him picking up and slamming a man head-first to the ground outside Idols bar in Newcastle's Newgate Street.

There are gasps and cries of horror as the reveller - who has still not come forward to make a complaint to the police - hits the ground with a sickening thud.

Barrow's friends and associates say the incident was out of character and that he was attacked repeatedly by the man he briefly left unconscious on the floor.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=658_1381713104

bumper234 · 14-10-2013 01:15PM

Duck Soup wrote: »

Bodyslam Bouncer Is Revealed As Fearsome Mixed Martial Arts Fighter

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=466_1381383468

The bouncer caught on camera bodyslamming a troublesome drinker onto the pavement can be revealed today as Lewis Barrow, a trained martial arts fighter.

It is understood Mr Barrow, 30, has been suspended as a doorman whilst his employer carries out an investigation into the incident.

Sky Tyne and Wear has discovered film footage of one of Barrow's fights, a ferocious title bout in which he is the one who ends up motionless on the ground after having his head pounded by opponent Stevie Lynch.

He caused furore when a video emerged of him picking up and slamming a man head-first to the ground outside Idols bar in Newcastle's Newgate Street.

There are gasps and cries of horror as the reveller - who has still not come forward to make a complaint to the police - hits the ground with a sickening thud.

Barrow's friends and associates say the incident was out of character and that he was attacked repeatedly by the man he briefly left unconscious on the floor.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=658_1381713104

The worse part of this is that people will automatically avoid seeing this

he was attacked repeatedly by the man

And concentrate solely on

Lewis Barrow, a trained martial arts fighter.

Crooked Jack · 14-10-2013 01:20PM

This is not a general statement on all bouncers, but thus far in my life I have never met a bouncer who wasn't a complete and utter arsehole. Perhaps I have just been unlucky.

Dempsey · 14-10-2013 01:22PM

bumper234 wrote: »

The worse part of this is that people will automatically avoid seeing this

he was attacked repeatedly by the man

And concentrate solely on

Lewis Barrow, a trained martial arts fighter.

He should have called the cops, not slammed him head first into the pavement

Geordie bouncer bodyslams man, caught on camera

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