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    #122
    BeerWolf
    Registered Users Posts: 4,122 ✭✭✭BeerWolf


    shruikan2553 wrote: »
    So are you against farming animals?

    LINK

    Before he takes that as "people farming animals".


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    #123
    seamus
    Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    A fish tank is just a modern pond. A hamster cage is just a modern hedge.

    We could go on for hours.


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    #124
    Bannasidhe
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 19,219 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    kneemos wrote: »
    A house is perfectly natural.It's a modern cave.
    A fish is used to much more open space than a tank and a hamster likes to run about and burrow and in both cases interact with its environment and other animal's.

    With 'natural' concrete and foam and uVPC and ....

    Humans evolved in much more space than we currently occupy...we ran around being hunter/gatherers and lived a pretty nomadic lifestyle for most of our existence as a species.

    Should we all become become nomadic again and take to roaming around the country, perhaps with some form of mobile dwelling?

    I can see that going down well.


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    #125
    Frank Black
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,296 ✭✭✭Frank Black


    Eutow wrote: »
    Sheldon Cooper alert. "I'm not insane, my mom got me tested"

    You seem to think that someone who owns a pet cannot form friendships with other people. Strange thinking...... I think you are the one that is unfortunate.
    shruikan2553 wrote: »
    Interacting in this manner isnt exactly showing a person able to form bonds with members of your own species.
    pharmaton wrote: »
    If I were to assume as you do then I suspect you're probably a very lonely individual who doesn't have the capacity for joy, let alone real life friends. You could probably work on your people skills too.
    BeerWolf wrote: »
    At what point does being a pet owner make them 'unfortunate' ?

    I needn't mention any names, but there's plenty of celebrities and well known people that own pets - does that make them unfortunate ?

    Plenty of families with their family pets, that brings the kids joy to have and play with - does that make them unfortunate ?

    And what of the elderly ? They've had a great life, but their spouse has past away - are you telling me it's sad for them to have a pet to give them companionship while they're living alone ?

    Who the hell are you to judge and feel sorry for ? Cause frankly, the only sad person here is you.
    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Do you need to throw in the old personal digs?

    Makes me wonder if you have some issues.

    What difference does it make you if I or anyone else has a dog, cat, gerbil, hamster etc etc - yet here you are throwing around terms like 'misfit' and generally being the one is is acting in a socially inappropriate manner?
    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Oh dear, oh dear.

    You know, I really don't think you'd be all getting this upset, if deep down you didn't actually think I was right.

    The good news is it's not too late to change your lives. Go home tonight and let Tommy the hamster loose in the garden, drive Spot the dog 20miles away and throw him out of the car, flush Freddy the goldfish down the toilet.
    Pets are like drugs and the only way to quit the habit is to go cold turkey. From tomorrow approach people in the street and try to engage them in conversation, join a dating agency, take up a new sport or hobby, because tomorrow could be the first day of the rest of your lives.
    Good luck everyone.


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    #126
    OldNotWIse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    eisenberg1 wrote: »
    And another cost to Joe Public is the medical card for my dog...

    ...and the free er...boarding kennel one year placement they get :D Not to mention the owners constantly banging on about how expensive boarding fees are :)


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    #127
    Artful_Badger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,339 ✭✭✭Artful_Badger


    seamus wrote: »
    "People are choosing to do things which I would not choose to do, therefore they must be crazy, or stupid, or both".

    The problem is not people owning pets, the problem is people thinking they have any right to decide what is the right way for anyone else to live.

    It would certainly solve our social issues faster than wasting money by throwing it at the needy.

    Is there not a certain amount of irony in that given you are arguing in defence of owning another a creature to live as you see fit ?

    I'm not saying you should do anything btw but if you are aware of your actions contributing to a demand which results in suffering I think it immoral to choose to ignore it. We all have to be responsible not just for the immediate effects of our actions but also for the cumulative effects of our actions.


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    #128
    krudler
    Registered Users Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    kneemos wrote: »
    A house is perfectly natural.It's a modern cave.
    A fish is used to much more open space than a tank and a hamster likes to run about and burrow and in both cases interact with its environment and other animal's.

    some breeds of Hamsters are solitary animals though and they'll fight if near other ones.


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    #129
    OldNotWIse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    Frank Black wrote: »
    You know, I really don't think you'd be all getting this upset, if deep down you didn't actually think I was right.

    The good news is it's not too late to change your lives. Go home tonight and let Tommy the hamster loose in the garden, drive Spot the dog 20miles away and throw him out of the car, flush Freddy the goldfish down the toilet.
    Pets are like drugs and the only way to quit the habit is to go cold turkey. From tomorrow approach people in the street and try to engage them in conversation, join a dating agency, take up a new sport or hobby, because tomorrow could be the first day of the rest of your lives.
    Good luck everyone.


    ummmmmm.......I dont really like people...most of them make me wanna get sick in my mouth....and I dont think my girlfriend would be too happy if I joined a dating agency...and I dont have time to take up a new hobby what with a full time job and college and my existing hobbies...so what should I do? :D


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    #130
    kneemos
    Registered Users Posts: 20,415 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    With 'natural' concrete and foam and uVPC and ....

    Humans evolved in much more space than we currently occupy...we ran around being hunter/gatherers and lived a pretty nomadic lifestyle for most of our existence as a species.

    Should we all become become nomadic again and take to roaming around the country, perhaps with some form of mobile dwelling?

    I can see that going down well.
    o

    Humans are intelligent and adaptable.
    There's no justification for keeping wild animals in an unnatural environment or in a cage.


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    #131
    pharmaton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭pharmaton


    Frank Black wrote: »
    You know, I really don't think you'd be all getting this upset, if deep down you didn't actually think I was right.
    actually I just read through your previous boards contributions and once I realised you were an avid Liverpool supporter I wasn't able to consider the rest of your suppositions with any level of depth. Probably the most least qualified person to take "how to live right" advice from.


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    #132
    danniemcq
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    Frank Black wrote: »
    You know, I really don't think you'd be all getting this upset, if deep down you didn't actually think I was right.

    The good news is it's not too late to change your lives. Go home tonight and let Tommy the hamster loose in the garden, drive Spot the dog 20miles away and throw him out of the car, flush Freddy the goldfish down the toilet.
    Pets are like drugs and the only way to quit the habit is to go cold turkey. From tomorrow approach people in the street and try to engage them in conversation, join a dating agency, take up a new sport or hobby, because tomorrow could be the first day of the rest of your lives.
    Good luck everyone.


    MOD

    Frank don't post in this thread again


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    #133
    jimgoose
    Registered Users Posts: 20,176 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    ...Should we all become become nomadic again and take to roaming around the country, perhaps with some form of mobile dwelling?

    I can see that going down well.

    Do you actually want the place full of Dutch and Belgian caravan-ists? Is that what you want? Is it?? Hmmm??? Good God man, do you realise what you're saying? "Yish, where can ve buy de chocolate sprinkles, yish??" :D


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    #134
    Sulla Felix
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭Sulla Felix


    kneemos wrote: »
    o

    Humans are intelligent and adaptable.
    There's no justification for keeping wild animals in an unnatural environment or in a cage.
    They're not wild. They're domesticated and have been for thousands of years for the most part.


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    #135
    Bannasidhe
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 19,219 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    kneemos wrote: »
    o

    Humans are intelligent and adaptable.
    There's no justification for keeping wild animals in an unnatural environment or in a cage.

    My dogs are more domesticated than many of the people I know. Plus they are waaaaaay more adaptable. They don't sit gibbering in a corner when the broadband goes down or require an intoxicant of some sort to 'take the edge off'. ;)

    As for humans being 'intelligent' - given our history of destruction the jury is still out on that.


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    #136
    seamus
    Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Artful_Badger wrote: »
    Is there not a certain amount of irony in that given you are arguing in defence of owning another a creature to live as you see fit ?
    Unless you consider domesticated animals to be on an intellectual par with humans, then no. Domesticated animals are by definition adapted to share a domestic environment with humans. So you're not forcing anything upon them any more than having a child is forcing the child to live according to your rules.
    kneemos wrote: »
    There's no justification for keeping wild animals in an unnatural environment or in a cage.
    Agreed. That's why the majority of people choose domesticated animals over wild ones.


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    #137
    cena
    Registered Users Posts: 9,980 ✭✭✭cena


    Why would you get rid of the mans best friend.

    How about we get rid you op


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    #138
    BeerWolf
    Registered Users Posts: 4,122 ✭✭✭BeerWolf


    kneemos wrote: »
    o

    Humans are intelligent and adaptable.
    There's no justification for keeping wild animals in an unnatural environment or in a cage.

    I'd hardly consider the pets people keep as 'wild'. Domesticated animals don't really have much of a chance living out in the wild anyways...


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    #139
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    Frank Black wrote: »
    You know, I really don't think you'd be all getting this upset, if deep down you didn't actually think I was right.

    So being against what someone says/does means that you think they are right? Miley Cyrus must be a beacon of what is right then.
    Frank Black wrote: »
    The good news is it's not too late to change your lives. Go home tonight and let Tommy the hamster loose in the garden, drive Spot the dog 20miles away and throw him out of the car, flush Freddy the goldfish down the toilet.

    Dont have any pets but does any of those would kill the animal, glad to see you approve of randomly slaughtering animals.
    Frank Black wrote: »
    Pets are like drugs and the only way to quit the habit is to go cold turkey. From tomorrow approach people in the street and try to engage them in conversation,

    Im sure people wont think I'm trying to get money from them if I did that.
    Frank Black wrote: »
    join a dating agency,

    Should I break up with my girlfriend before or after? Cant see her being too happy about that.
    Frank Black wrote: »
    take up a new sport or hobby, because tomorrow could be the first day of the rest of your lives.
    Good luck everyone.

    Other than karate, taekwondo and archery what hobby or sport do you recommend I take up? Preferably something that doesnt take much time as with the above 3 Im quite busy.


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    #140
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,106 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    bluewolf wrote: »
    Dogs aren't entertainment, they're part of the family. :(
    And have been for a very very long time. At least 20,000 years and likely more like 40,000 since we said "you know Paddy, I reckon those big hairy dangerous things might be handy to keep around". The wolves said similar. Some have suggested it's why of all the other humans we won the we're taking over this planet race.

    Dog(cats too) owners live longer and are healthier, mentally and physically than non pet owners. They're also more sociable so there goes that ballsology for the high jump. Just the action of stroking your pet lowers blood pressure and calms us. It goes both ways too as tests on dogs and cats show it chills them out too.

    Then again maybe I'm just petting a troll? Not nearly as relaxing. Well god I hope he/she is a troll, the alternative is a tad concerning.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #141
    Bannasidhe
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 19,219 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    jimgoose wrote: »
    Do you actually want the place full of Dutch and Belgian caravan-ists? Is that what you want? Is it?? Hmmm??? Good God man, do you realise what you're saying? "Yish, where can ve buy de chocolate sprinkles, yish??" :D

    I'm happy in my 2 1/2 bed end of terrace with the excellent insulation and the broadband and the sky+ me (good woman that I am ;) ) but I'm also not claiming these things are 'natural' as oppossed to a fish tank which is 'unnatural'. Give me 'unnatural' things like manufactured antibiotics any day. :D

    I suspect if I had to live in a cave - or a mobile dwelling - the dogs would fare much better than I.

    You forgot about the German backpackers.....:eek:


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    #142
    OldNotWIse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    That must be what's up with all them chuggers. They are clearly following Frank's 12 steps to redemption and are at the stage where they have flushed Franky down the loo and are beginning to approach strangers in the street...


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    #143
    Eutow
    Registered Users Posts: 1,197 ✭✭✭Eutow


    Frank Black wrote: »
    You know, I really don't think you'd be all getting this upset, if deep down you didn't actually think I was right.

    The good news is it's not too late to change your lives. Go home tonight and let Tommy the hamster loose in the garden, drive Spot the dog 20miles away and throw him out of the car, flush Freddy the goldfish down the toilet.
    Pets are like drugs and the only way to quit the habit is to go cold turkey. From tomorrow approach people in the street and try to engage them in conversation, join a dating agency, take up a new sport or hobby, because tomorrow could be the first day of the rest of your lives.
    Good luck everyone.

    Ah, you are one of those fools from Concern

    Edit: OldNotWise got in there first


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    #144
    Tiddlypeeps
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,103 ✭✭✭Tiddlypeeps


    Artful_Badger wrote: »
    I'm not sure where we differ here yet you seem adamant I'm preaching while holding a poorly thought out view.

    You acknowledge that a lot can be considered immoral. All I ever said was that it was immoral. You acknowledge that all anyone can do is avoid these things when they can if they are aware of it. I'm not proposing anything else.

    :confused:

    I'm not even sure you are reading my posts. You say creating a demand for something that can be in anyway associated with immoral activity is itself immoral. I very much disagree for reasons I've stated already. Owning a pet that has been bread correctly is no more immoral than eating free range eggs.


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    #145
    kneemos
    Registered Users Posts: 20,415 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Sulla Felix wrote: »
    They're not wild. They're domesticated and have been for thousands of years for the most part.

    Fish,rabbits,lizards,snakes,pigeons,spiders...etc are domesticated?
    Keeping a bird of any sort in a cage is sinful.


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    #146
    OldNotWIse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    Eutow wrote: »
    Ah, you are one of those fools from Concern

    Edit: OldNotWise got in there first

    :D


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    #147
    dr.bollocko
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    mod:

    Frank Black Banned.


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    #148
    Sulla Felix
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭Sulla Felix


    kneemos wrote: »
    Fish,rabbits,lizards,snakes,pigeons,spiders...etc are domesticated?
    Keeping a bird of any sort in a cage is sinful.
    Sinful? Well if we're going down that route, didn't god give adam dominance over everything on land, in the air and under the sea? Seems the exact opposite of sinful.


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    #149
    kneemos
    Registered Users Posts: 20,415 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Sulla Felix wrote: »
    Sinful? Well if we're going down that route, didn't god give adam dominance over everything on land, in the air and under the sea? Seems the exact opposite of sinful.

    Who now?


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    #150
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,106 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    dr.bollocko wrote: »
    mod:

    Frank Black Banned.
    Ah no. :( Can we not keep him? We'll feed him and walk him and pet him and love him, even pay for the neutering. Pleeeeeease. It's not fair!! *stamps feet* :(:(:(

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #151
    Bannasidhe
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 19,219 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Ah no. :( Can we not keep him? We'll feed him and walk him and pet him and love him, even pay for the neutering. Pleeeeeease. It's not fair!! *stamps feet* :(:(:(

    You say that now but in a few months when the novelty has worn off and he's too big, or too yappy, or too smelly, or too expensive to keep it'll be stuff him in a plastic bag which will be flung in a river up some boreen where there is no phone coverage.

    It's more humane this way.


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