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ShadowHearth · 01-10-2013 07:53PM

NTMK wrote: »

just had a game of it there and my fps never dropped below 50 and averaging 60-70 with everything on high/ultra and FOV set to 120 on a 780 so it might be a case of older nvidia cards not being optimised yet

It looks and sounds soooo much better than BF3 though i have to say and feels smoother animation wise to me

Buddy with Titan has a good sailing too. Looks like they focused on 7/7ish gen Cards. 680 is not a weak card and should run BF4 easily. It has enough horse power, but I hope Nvidia not going to bury it to die like this and force people in to gen 7...

NTMK · 01-10-2013 08:11PM

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Buddy with Titan has a good sailing too. Looks like they focused on 7/7ish gen Cards. 680 is not a weak card and should run BF4 easily. It has enough horse power, but I hope Nvidia not going to bury it to die like this and force people in to gen 7...

they wont but their driver guys only got bf4 code very recently and probably work back it also helps that the 780 and titan got a ton of horse power i havent heard how the 770 is coping yet

AMD's new flagship NDA is up the same day the same day the beta ends so they're definitely looking to make their numbers look better before launch hopefully that will push 7 series prices down and make Nvidia use Maxwell on the 8 series

ShadowHearth · 01-10-2013 08:25PM

NTMK wrote: »

they wont but their driver guys only got bf4 code very recently and probably work back it also helps that the 780 and titan got a ton of horse power i havent heard how the 770 is coping yet

AMD's new flagship NDA is up the same day the same day the beta ends so they're definitely looking to make their numbers look better before launch hopefully that will push 7 series prices down and make Nvidia use Maxwell on the 8 series

Dont know about price drops... Nvidia kept price up on 680 so damn long. AMD already had faster cards then 680 and for almost half the price. Nvidia have brain lag quite often.
It makes me sort of happy that Next gen consoles are AMD based, so almost any cross platform game will be better optimised on AMD. Green camp really needs to get their finger out...

NTMK · 01-10-2013 08:33PM

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Dont know about price drops... Nvidia kept price up on 680 so damn long. AMD already had faster cards then 680 and for almost half the price. Nvidia have brain lag quite often.
It makes me sort of happy that Next gen consoles are AMD based, so almost any cross platform game will be better optimised on AMD. Green camp really needs to get their finger out...

they will. They lost 3 console bids to AMD and their mobile processors are not going to dominate.

Now is do or die for Nvidia as AMD are guaranteed big big income for 5+ years and AMD can and will really push nvidia hard on the consumer side

ShadowHearth · 01-10-2013 08:51PM

NTMK wrote: »

they will. They lost 3 console bids to AMD and their mobile processors are not going to dominate.

Now is do or die for Nvidia as AMD are guaranteed big big income for 5+ years and AMD can and will really push nvidia hard on the consumer side

Nvidia need to stop fecking around with gimmicks and start doing proper gpus for normal price. The price tag race became a bit mad at this stage.
I really hope New Amd gpus going to be good. I would laugh if they would announce a titan sort of yoke for 1/3 of the price.

My 680 still should run everything on very respectable settings. So I might skip on upgrading this gen completely. So far only bf4 is acting out, but it's just due to beta and drivers being carp to everything that is not amd or 7 series.

deceit · 01-10-2013 10:54PM

I just played 20minutes there and was constantly getting 60fps with one dip down to 45fps for a few seconds.
I had it on ultra at 5760*1200. Is it just me or do the textures look worse than bf3?
I'm running a 3820k and two 7970's. All stock as I just reset my bios on my cpu and reinstalled

.
Hopefully the full release will have better textures.

NTMK · 01-10-2013 11:02PM

deceit wrote: »

I just played 20minutes there and was constantly getting 60fps with one dip down to 45fps for a few seconds.
I had it on ultra at 5760*1200. Is it just me or do the textures look worse than bf3?
I'm running a 3820k and two 7970's. All stock as I just reset my bios on my cpu and reinstalled .
Hopefully the full release will have better textures.

i find textures fine except for the skyscraper rubble but that might improve as the beta is the gamescom build from august

Sarz91 · 01-10-2013 11:03PM

deceit wrote: »

I just played 20minutes there and was constantly getting 60fps with one dip down to 45fps for a few seconds.
I had it on ultra at 5760*1200. Is it just me or do the textures look worse than bf3?
I'm running a 3820k and two 7970's. All stock as I just reset my bios on my cpu and reinstalled .
Hopefully the full release will have better textures.

Apart from the map and the damage it feels like more of the same. I dunno if it's just me but FPS's just aren't as exciting as they used to be. Maybe it's due to the fact that I sunk about 1000 hours into bfbc2.:rolleyes:

Headshot · 01-10-2013 11:03PM

I really miss ww2 shooters, hate all this futuristic crap

ShadowHearth · 02-10-2013 06:51AM

Sarz91 wrote: »

Apart from the map and the damage it feels like more of the same. I dunno if it's just me but FPS's just aren't as exciting as they used to be. Maybe it's due to the fact that I sunk about 1000 hours into bfbc2.:rolleyes:

In fairness bc2 had a lot more interesting destruction tactic wise. You had maps in bc2, which could be completely leveled with the ground. How many times I was sitting in a house and praying for tank to go pass by, but instead the wall that I was hiding behind would turn to ashes and I would run for my life in to other structure. It was like big bad wolf and 3 piggies....

Vietnam was great too. I spent hours and hours playing that!

Genghiz Cohen · 02-10-2013 12:00PM

GeForce GTX BattleBox's

NVidia partnered with Scan and Overclockers and the like to sell prebuild SLI gaming rigs.

Scan 3XS Z87 Cyclone SLI
Intel Core i7 4770K overclocked to 4.6GHz
2 x 3GB EVGA GeForce GTX 780
16GB Corsair Vengeance Pro 2,133MHz
Asus RoG Maximus IV Formula
500GB Samsung Evo SSD
Water-cooled CPU, motherboard and graphics cards
From: 4,170.15€

OcUK GeForce BattleBox
Intel Core i7 4770K overclocked to 4.5GHz
Intel Z87 Chipset
16GB 2133MHz DDR3
Samsung 250GB SSD
2TB HDD
2x Nvidia GeForce GTX 780 in SLI
Corsair 850W PSU
Creative SB Cinema 7.1 HD Audio
2,836.42€

NTMK · 02-10-2013 12:25PM

that scan system isnt a terrible price :eek: (for whats in it anyway)

£2500 for parts and os on their own exlcuding WC gear (~£500).

so £3000 on parts plus the labour and warranty

£3700~ isnt terrible value for a prebuilt.

ofc you can build it cheaper yourself and not use ram that costs £150:pac:

Gumbi · 02-10-2013 12:32PM

They must be binning pretty highly those 4770ks to get 4.6ghz overclocks. Or They're probably not optimally overclocked either. Haswell is a tricky beast to master.

deceit · 02-10-2013 12:33PM

The scan system is alot dearer as it has a full watercooled loop cpu/gpus/motherboard. This significantly adds to the price when you consider the 4 blocks alone are about 400+ then you need a better case and all the other watercooling gear.

Genghiz Cohen · 02-10-2013 02:26PM

Gumbi wrote: »

They must be binning pretty highly those 4770ks to get 4.6ghz overclocks. Or They're probably not optimally overclocked either. Haswell is a tricky beast to master.

Maybe they might start selling the ones that can't clock that high as Special Item or something? Since they'd have to open them to find out.

NTMK · 02-10-2013 03:27PM

Genghiz Cohen wrote: »

Maybe they might start selling the ones that can't clock that high as Special Item or something? Since they'd have to open them to find out.

They're bought in tray form (no cooler) which you occasionally find HWVS. they test all the chips and those that pass go into their superclocked systems those that dont go into non overclocked pcs.

Chances are they're using some heavy voltage to keep some stable at 4.6ghz too

Dave147 · 03-10-2013 01:49AM

Anyone have any experience booting off a bootable USB key on an ASUS UEFI mobo? Spent the last few hours upgrading my PC only to find the 1155 mobo doesn't support IDE (no surprise really), but I forgot my DVD drive is an old piece of **** that isn't SATA, made a bootable Windows USB key but even though it's being recognised as bootable it's just being ignored and Windows keeps attempting to start.

Also in situations such as this, with a new motherboard, is it possible to not delete all files and put my old files into Windows.old or does it just wipe the whole lot? That'll be a real pain in the hole!

If nobody knows how to sort this I'll just buy a SATA DVDRW tomorrow lol.

raymix · 03-10-2013 02:42AM

Just to clarify:
When making it bootable, did you set USB drive as active?
Are you using NTFS?
Did you properly apply bootsect /nt60 on formated drive before copying files over?
Is legacy USB enabled in BIOS?

Boot priority can be overriden on demand without messing with BIOS with F8, F11 or F12, depends on a mobo. If it's F8, make sure you bash it fast enough, otherwise SAFE mode screen will appear instead... quite annoying choice of hotkey by Asus.

You don't need to buy a DVD, it's probably something minor you overlooked, man. Been there, done that.

Dave147 · 03-10-2013 02:45AM

raymix wrote: »

Just to clarify:
When making it bootable, did you set USB drive as active?
Are you using NTFS?
Did you properly apply bootsect /nt60 on formated drive before copying files over?
Is legacy USB enabled in BIOS?

Boot priority can be overriden on demand without messing with BIOS with F8, F11 or F12, depends on a mobo.

You don't need to buy a DVD, it's probably something minor you overlooked, man. Been there, done that.

Cheers for reply, I am using FAT32, I used a guide to format the drive, which gave me a BOOTMGR error so I used a program called 'Rufus' to do it again, this time instead of giving a BOOTMGR error, it just attempted to run Windows and reached the "Windows did not shutdown properly" screen. To which I CTRL+ALT+DEL'd out of it back to BIOS. I made the USB key the main boot drive.

raymix · 03-10-2013 02:55AM

If you are trying to make bootable windows installation USB drive, this is the best guide to go with:
http://unlockforus.blogspot.ie/2008/09/how-to-makecreate-bootable-usb-flash.html

Microsoft has a tool for it, but it doesn't work well with all ISO files, if you know what I mean...

Thing about your second question - upon making big changes in hardware like motherboard or CPUs, there will be problems with HAL, this layer is optimizing itself for current hardware config upon installation, when you change it, it might adjust to new changes, but it won't be optimized well enough. This is why people just wipes HDD clean and start fresh when upgrading.
However, if you are changing to a similar motherboard, you should be fine.

Dave147 · 03-10-2013 02:57AM

My old mobo was Gigabyte and it was AM3 Socket, this is ASUS and is 1155. I've a lot of stuff that I'd like to keep on my HDD, but I can just download it again if I must.

raymix · 03-10-2013 03:04AM

Dave147 wrote: »

My old mobo was Gigabyte and it was AM3 Socket, this is ASUS and is 1155. I've a lot of stuff that I'd like to keep on my HDD, but I can just download it again if I must.

This one's easy, keep your stuff and tell Installer to do a clean install over current installation. You will lose everything under Program Files, Program Data and Windows folders, not sure about Documents (including Desktop), but those are easy to back up in seperate folder. Just make sure that you DON'T format your HDD when asked, simple as that.

The reason why your USB is not recognized could be also because it is initialized after everything else is done. Try to find override button (could be F8 for your Asus board, too), it always works with properly made bootable drives. This way you can also keep your HDD as primary at all times, just in case you accidentally leave any of your USB drives in a PC, in which case upon boot it will give you error and stop booting. Quite funny thing to happen, a mini heart attack ))

raymix · 03-10-2013 03:17AM

Guys, if you were to make a small home server that would also act as an Apache Webserver, HTPC and (local only) Network storage, would you:

1) Go with Linux, Windows 7 or Windows Server?
2) Go with Xeon and ECC modules or standard low TDP CPU?
3) APU or GPU on PCIe?
4) ITX or M-ATX?

Thanks

uberpixie · 03-10-2013 04:20AM

raymix wrote: »

Guys, if you were to make a small home server that would also act as an Apache Webserver, HTPC and (local only) Network storage, would you:

1) Go with Linux, Windows 7 or Windows Server?
2) Go with Xeon and ECC modules or standard low TDP CPU?
3) APU or GPU on PCIe?
4) ITX or M-ATX?

Thanks

Went with a HP microserver (1.3ghz turion) using 4 gig standard ddr 3 and x2 3gig WD Red hard drives. Runs debian Linux and used as a Plex media server and file storage.

OS choice is down to what you want to use, you can easily spec anything you want. The HP microservers are handy in that they are low power usage, small foot print, quiet and take x4 hard drives. The cpus are it the most powerful but they do the job. Milage may vary if you want to watch very high Def content though.

http://m.dabs.ie/products/hp-proliant-microserver-turion-ii-neo-n54l-2-2ghz-2gb-ram-250gb-hdd-8JPK.html?q=HP microserver&src=16

Serephucus · 03-10-2013 10:20AM

I run an mATX Ivy-bridge system. Standard components, nothing actually server-grade. I run Windows just because I had a spare copy, but it is nice that everything is Windows, meaning file and folder sharing between machines is a ten second affair to set up. At present I'm just running a few hard drives with 1:1 nightly backups, but I'll be switching to a RAID 5/6 array as soon as WD brings a 5TB Red to market.

You shouldn't need any GPU at all. I had a G550 in my server (2.6GHz dual core, no HT) and it played back 1080p content with absolutely no problems, and that was with four Minecraft servers running in the background. It couldn't do much more than that though; usage was up at around 90% most of the time, IIRC.

Shiminay · 03-10-2013 11:37AM

eurgh - that horribly awkward and embarrassing moment when you realised that your Crossfire bridge hasn't been plugged in for months.

the_syco · 03-10-2013 12:07PM

Anyone know a site that sells cards preconfigured with watercooling? OC.Uk do, but they start off at £441, so well over what I'd plan to spend. Going to wait until the next gen comes out, so the other gen will drop in price a bit, but shall be getting watercooling for it, so thought I'd get one with watercooling already on it.

Can't find any sites that specialise in this, in Ireland/EU, though

Serephucus · 03-10-2013 12:15PM

I'm not sure exactly what you mean, but if you buy a card with a waterblock installed, you must install it in a loop. If you run it like an air-cooled card, you'll fry it.

the_syco · 03-10-2013 12:44PM

Serephucus wrote: »

I'm not sure exactly what you mean, but if you buy a card with a waterblock installed, you must install it in a loop. If you run it like an air-cooled card, you'll fry it.

Pretty much, yeah. Don't see the point in having a fancy fan on it if I plan to watercool it. Would be looking to spend either €200 on a card, or €300 on a card and rad combo, or would €100 get me a decent watercooling setup (fluid, rad & tubes)? Find the TRUE120 does a decent job cooling my CPU, and can even OC it from 2.8 to a stable 3.2 so don't see the need for a rad that would be able to cool both the CPU and gfx card until I upgrade complete rig.

Genghiz Cohen · 03-10-2013 01:05PM

the_syco wrote: »

Pretty much, yeah. Don't see the point in having a fancy fan on it if I plan to watercool it. Would be looking to spend either €200 on a card, or €300 on a card and rad combo, or would €100 get me a decent watercooling setup (fluid, rad & tubes)? Find the TRUE120 does a decent job cooling my CPU, and can even OC it from 2.8 to a stable 3.2 so don't see the need for a rad that would be able to cool both the CPU and gfx card until I upgrade complete rig.

So you have an air cooled system, currently.
You will be watercooling everything in the near future.
So, you want a graphics card with a waterblock attached so as not to pay for an air cooler that will got like 6 months use.

And while waiting to watercool the rest of your system you want a small, cheap, temporary loop for the graphics card.

Do I have you?

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