Travellers leave dead horse beside main road after Sulky race crash.

SEPT 23 1989 · 02-10-2013 11:44AM

wearing high visibility jackets, anti-roll bars ffs:rolleyes:

how about forcing them to get insurance to race on a tax payer funded public road

no insurance cert = no medieval race

FTA69 · 02-10-2013 11:45AM

Travellers probably wouldn't want to join such a club in my opinion and even if they did, they'd still race on the roads as there is a massive gambling and pride culture around sulky racing.

MarkR · 02-10-2013 11:45AM

I suppose the owner of the polo is out of pocket so? Horses not having insurance disc and all.

epicmoe · 02-10-2013 11:45AM

Other sports require dedicated areas, or in the case of rallying, at least roads that are shut to public access during.

vicwatson · 02-10-2013 11:46AM

As already said, one rule for them, another for the rest of us.

pbthevet · 02-10-2013 11:50AM

Thats sickening to see. Ban completely and hurry up about it.

Will car owner get insurance money for that? Car parked side of road and all that? Looks like he will have a fight on his hands.

02-10-2013 11:50AM

jobyrne30 wrote: »

This was posted earlier today and was locked.

It's racist to mention Travelers in a negative manner, even if their actions deserve it.

One of the few real irks of modern day society is that we cant call a spade a spade any more. Being part of an ethnic group should not excuse cruelty to animals in any way shape or form. There is several different forms of governance for the various social groups of citizens today and its fúcking totally wrong. :mad:

Every citizen should get respect on condition that they give respect back in return and that is to other people and the animals and property of others.

Ive no problem with travellers and id imagine there is no shortage of good decent citizens amongst them but the minority of idiots will have to be stopped from descending into total barbarism and using 'culture' as a convenient shield. Pressure needs to put on them to conform to some sort of societal norms

Savoir.Faire · 02-10-2013 11:52AM

FTA69 wrote: »

Travellers probably wouldn't want to join such a club in my opinion and even if they did, they'd still race on the roads as there is a massive gambling and pride culture around sulky racing.

Martin Collins from Pavee Point was on the Last Word last week. Even he admitted that they don't recognise this as part of the traveller culture. It has only appeared in the last 40 to 50 years, as we tended not to have roads that stood up to horse and cart racing at high speed.

It's cruel and barbaric.

RikkFlair · 02-10-2013 11:53AM

Like I said in the closed thread, how long before a human life is lost? Suppose a child was sitting in the back of that car? Or someone happened to be putting something in the boot?

No doubt the powers that be will take action then, a classic case of closing the barn door after the horse has bolted, pardon the pun.

Alibear · 02-10-2013 11:55AM

It's absolutely sickening

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 02-10-2013 11:56AM

vicwatson wrote: »

As already said, one rule for them, another for the rest of us.

Really?
do explain.

valknut · 02-10-2013 12:01PM

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

Really?
do explain.

Do you really need an explanation to that statement.

Your trying to give nodin a good run for the bleeding hearted liberal title me thinks!

anncoates · 02-10-2013 12:03PM

seamus wrote: »

Why wouldn't they? You do know that if a traveller applied to join and was refused because they were a traveller, the law will back them up?

I would imagine it's quite hard to enforce if they're smart about it, given that they can reserve the right to admission.

Maybe it does happen, but I don't think pubs ever suffer sanction for refusing traveller funerals and other social events.

RGDATA! · 02-10-2013 12:04PM

jobyrne30 wrote: »

This was posted earlier today and was locked.

It's racist to mention Travelers in a negative manner, even if their actions deserve it.

Don't play dumb. It's not racist to mention someone who is a Traveller in a negative manner. It is racist to blame or generalise about Travellers as a group based on the the actions of one or two in a specific case.

FTA69 · 02-10-2013 12:07PM

Savoir.Faire wrote: »

Martin Collins from Pavee Point was on the Last Word last week. Even he admitted that they don't recognise this as part of the traveller culture. It has only appeared in the last 40 to 50 years, as we tended not to have roads that stood up to horse and cart racing at high speed.

It's cruel and barbaric.

What I meant was "pride culture", as in families compete with each other over who has the best racers and the best horses etc. I didn't mean to say that this carry on was synonymous with Traveller culture per se.

seamus · 02-10-2013 12:12PM

anncoates wrote: »

Maybe it does happen, but I don't think pubs ever suffer sanction for refusing traveller funerals and other social events.

Oh they do...
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/travellers-make-equality-act-work-for-them-26025323.html (granted it's more than ten years old)

access to pubs is the biggest problem for Travellers, and a total of 215 of the 309 cases relate to this issue,

The more recent way pubs have had around this is to simply close the pub when a traveller wedding or funeral rolls into town.

valknut · 02-10-2013 12:18PM

iDave wrote: »

How does living in a caravan, not having a job and dressing your 8 year old like a hooker make you a different race FFS. A bit of cop on is needed. The 'R' is losing all meaning with anyone slightly different using it whenever they receive just criticism.

+1000

I hate the do gooders who try to portray them as misunderstood angels almost as much as travellers themselves. Always get a laugh when people call you racist for telling it like it about them.

02-10-2013 12:21PM

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iDave wrote: »

How does living in a caravan, not having a job and dressing your 8 year old like a hooker make you a different race FFS. A bit of cop on is needed. The 'R' is losing all meaning with anyone slightly different using it whenever they receive just criticism.

valknut wrote: »

+1000

I hate the do gooders who try to portray them as misunderstood angels almost as much as travellers themselves. Always get a laugh when people call you racist for telling it like it about them.

Don't post in this thread again.

MJ23 wrote: »

I f**king hate travellers.

Banned.

More of that and the thread will end up locked as per humanji's warning earlier.

BeerWolf · 02-10-2013 12:25PM

Travelers ar-urrk!!

*Gets gagged and dragged away*

Seriously though, they've got zero respect for anything outside their family circles...

Filibuster · 02-10-2013 12:26PM

It's their culture

Ghost Buster · 02-10-2013 12:32PM

With all due respect and fully expecting a slap for publicly questioning a moderators decision (but I feel its apt for the posters on this thread)
In what way are travellers a race?
They are white Irish and white Europeans. As much a race as people from Achill or apartment dwellers.
Would it be possible for an explanation as to their racial status before more bans are handed out?

such as the one Im about to get:(:(

Oh yeah EDIT- I get the bans and warnings for the tone of some posts but Im not sure if calling them racist postings is technically fair.

lkionm · 02-10-2013 12:33PM

Ghost Buster wrote: »

With all due respect and fully expecting a slap for publicly questioning a moderators decision (but I feel its apt for the posters on this thread)
In what way are travellers a race?
They are white Irish and white Europeans. As much a race as people from Achill or apartment dwellers.
Would it be possible for an explanation as to their racial status before more bans are handed out?

such as the one Im about to get:(:(

Are we all not one big human race?

Cantona's Collars · 02-10-2013 12:37PM

The thing I don't like is how the likes of Big Fat Gypsy wedding etc. glamourise them.Notice how 90% of the men in those shows stay out of the way or have their faces blurred out when in shot.

TV3's most recent stuff did try to scratch the surface of what really goes on & they found threats,silence & secrecy as they followed a trail of people having been scammed all over the world by traveller "workers".

clareames · 02-10-2013 12:38PM

i wonder are other countries equivilent to Travellers ie Gypsies etc protected and feared as much as some in Ireland. Here, they seem to think they can do what they want because they are travellers and there is rarely any repercussions... I see some in the town i work in and some of them are lovely and we have done work for severals of them (house fitting out etc) but whilst in one house the kids from a neighbouring house were out scouring the vans and vehicles tryin to rob tools materials. We were half afraid of them and they only 6 or 7 years old. and couldnt say a thing or the parents be out giving abuse. Im all for giving people respect but only where its due. Sickening to think they can get away with what they did to a poor horse. and they prob had plenty of money to treat the horse at a vets if they had any heart at all!!

Muise... · 02-10-2013 12:38PM

Ghost Buster wrote: »

With all due respect and fully expecting a slap for publicly questioning a moderators decision (but I feel its apt for the posters on this thread)
In what way are travellers a race?
They are white Irish and white Europeans. As much a race as people from Achill or apartment dwellers.
Would it be possible for an explanation as to their racial status before more bans are handed out?

such as the one Im about to get:(:(

The race or otherwise of Travellers is completely academic. Would you feel better if we all agreed to call it bigotry instead?

It's the sulky race I don't like.

FTA69 · 02-10-2013 12:39PM

Ghost Buster wrote: »

With all due respect and fully expecting a slap for publicly questioning a moderators decision (but I feel its apt for the posters on this thread)
In what way are travellers a race?
They are white Irish and white Europeans. As much a race as people from Achill or apartment dwellers.
Would it be possible for an explanation as to their racial status before more bans are handed out?

such as the one Im about to get:(:(

Nobody's getting banned from threads for comments like yours. They get banned for saying they are all filthy scum who should be killed. There's a big difference.

Travellers don't portray themselves as a separate "race", rather a separate ethnicity. An ethnicity is a people with shared history, language, heritage, customs and an identity which they view as distinct from others. For instance Russians in Latvia may be Latvian citizens, and also white Europeans, but also a different ethnicity.

Davidth88 · 02-10-2013 12:40PM

Those Sulkys always worry me , when I am driving I am really wary of them

I would lay odds there is no insurance involved , so if you had an accident with one god only knows what would happen ( I can guess ).

Really they should be banned from the roads , but I can't see it happening .

anncoates · 02-10-2013 12:41PM

If we're going to have a moratorium - under pain of banning - on highlighting any kind of persistent, generational anti-social behaviour amongst certain sections of working class Irish people for fear of making blanket assumptions about a community, I assume there will be similar mass banning the next time one of those multi-page scumbag threads is opened in AH and students/middle-class types are all lining up to outdo themselves with blanket condemnations, violence porn and snide generalisations?

goose2005 · 02-10-2013 12:41PM

anncoates wrote: »

Many people on AH wouldn't know this having never been brought up in proximity to travellers - being from Irish Times Letter Page suburbs, as it were.

Except that they have harness racing, in, loike, Portmornock? http://www.irishharnessracing.com/fixtures-and-results/portmarnock-raceway-02062013-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1/

flutered · 02-10-2013 12:41PM

Corkbah wrote: »

what speed must they have been doing to damage a parked car THAT badly ??

35mph or better, one of the sulkey horses are faster than a derby winner over a mile and a half

Travellers leave dead horse beside main road after Sulky race crash.

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