Travellers leave dead horse beside main road after Sulky race crash.

Cantona's Collars

Travellers had been racing the horse on the N8 road, connecting Cork with Dublin, it is claimed
They crashed the animal into the back of a parked Volkswagen Polo
They then left the horse to die on the side of the road - with blood pouring from its head, neck and front legs

In recent weeks, Cork County Council has proposed strengthening current legislation on 'sulky' racing in order to make the sport safer.

Its recommendations include racers wearing high visibility jackets, anti-roll bars being fitted on to carriages and riders requiring permission prior to travelling on public roads.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2440291/Distressing-moment-travellers-leave-horse-dead-Irish-country-road.html#ixzz2gYZSrzih

Don't click on pics if you are easily distressed by dead animals.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/10/01/article-2440291-186F1B1700000578-933_634x599.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/10/01/article-2440291-186F1B3800000578-204_634x703.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/10/01/article-2440291-186F1B2A00000578-968_634x697.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/10/01/article-2440291-1870B58100000578-594_634x500.jpg

Feck this, "sure it's our tradition boss",if you or I took to racing on a public road,we'd be in court.

Within the last few months down my way we've had 2 cases of them dumping dead horses by the roadside.

AnonoBoy

Silly people. They could have got cash for that down in Tesco.













Are we still doing Tesco jokes?

No?

Mr McBoatface

This was posted earlier today and was locked.

It's racist to mention Travelers in a negative manner, even if their actions deserve it.

tin79

5 daily mail links in one post!

My eyes!

Corkbah

what speed must they have been doing to damage a parked car THAT badly ??

Professey Chin

In recent weeks, Cork County Council has proposed strengthening current legislation on 'sulky' racing in order to make the sport safer.

Its recommendations include racers wearing high visibility jackets, anti-roll bars being fitted on to carriages and riders requiring permission prior to travelling on public roads.

Or ban the sh!t completely and stop pandering to them

tin79

Corkbah wrote: »

what speed must they have been doing to damage a parked car THAT badly ??

Horses are big heavy animals. They do a lot of damage.

goose2005

The Dark Lord Cthulu wrote: »

Or ban the sh!t completely and stop pandering to them

It's quite a bizarre thing for the council to say, racing on public roads has never been legal

bumper234

Mods should leave this one open. Sick of the way travelers can get away with this crap and we are not supposed to talk about it in case someone gets offended :mad:

gobnaitolunacy

goose2005 wrote: »

It's quite a bizarre thing for the council to say, racing on public roads has never been legal

The official organisation for sulky racing and trotting rep said as much in interview...they race on grass tracks and none too pleased with the 'road racing' participants.

I don't know how an activity that came out of nowhere 15-20 years ago counts as 'tradition'.

Cantona's Collars

tin79 wrote: »

5 daily mail links in one post!

My eyes!

4 are pictures,did you click on them?

Didn't spot anything in the Irish media about it.

seamus

goose2005 wrote: »

It's quite a bizarre thing for the council to say, racing on public roads has never been legal

Well it's not strictly illegal to race sulkies on the roads unless they're acting dangerously.

Now of course, sulky racing and dangerous illegal behaviour go hand in hand, but from a pure perspective, the racing itself is not inherently illegal because speed limits don't apply to them, and the law doesn't ban racing on public roads (for any type of vehicle).

Really the Gardai should be moving in to lock this stuff down as soon as it happens, but as we saw from the video last year, the travelling community enables and encourages this illegal behaviour by protecting those involved.

Femme_Fatale

bumper234 wrote: »

Mods should leave this one open. Sick of the way travelers can get away with this crap and we are not supposed to talk about it in case someone gets offended :mad:

I reckon if people could just discuss the problems within traveller culture without using OTT derogatory language (no matter how deserved it's felt it is) and recommending all travellers be culled, these threads might be kept open.
I don't think it's the discussion of the issues in and and of itself that causes the thread shutdowns.

humanji

jobyrne30 wrote: »

This was posted earlier today and was locked.

It's racist to mention Travelers in a negative manner, even if their actions deserve it.

Well yes, negative generalisations about an entire ethnic group is pretty much one of the definitions of racism.

bumper234 wrote: »

Mods should leave this one open. Sick of the way travelers can get away with this crap and we are not supposed to talk about it in case someone gets offended :mad:

If people can talk about it without being racist and without demanding violent action be taken, then there'll be no locked threads. History has shown this to be near impossible. Please prove me wrong.

bumper234

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

I reckon if people could just discuss the problems within traveller culture without using OTT derogatory language (no matter how deserved it's felt it is) and recommending all travellers be culled, these threads might be kept open.
I don't think it's the discussion of the issues in and and of itself that causes the thread shutdowns.

I agree but the last thread had about 6 or 7 posts in it and was closed before it could be discussed. Saying that i am sure mods are sick to death of having to deal with the crap that you have pointed out gets almost religiously posted in these threads

josip

Getting my post in before, well you know...

Was the car parked in off the road? It looked like it from the picture. You'd want to be a pretty poor sulky driver to hit it there.

Cee-Jay-Cee

gobnaitolunacy wrote: »

The official organisation for sulky racing and trotting rep said as much in interview...they race on grass tracks and none too pleased with the 'road racing' participants.

Pardon the pun but that's horsesh*t! Can someone tell me where their is a racetrack that sulky racing takes place on? It's done on the roads around here and everyone knows it.

Bog Standard User

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Silly people. They could have got cash for that down in Tesco.

findus are still buying the meat

gobnaitolunacy

CJC999 wrote: »

Pardon the pun but that's horsesh*t! Can someone tell me where their is a racetrack that sulky racing takes place on? It's done on the roads around here and everyone knows it.

Irish Harness Racing Club, which operate grass tracks in Portmarnock, Co Dublin, West Cork and Annaghmore in Co Armagh.



http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/sulky-racing-recommendations-nonsensical-243510.html

anncoates

CJC999 wrote: »

Pardon the pun but that's horsesh*t! Can someone tell me where their is a racetrack that sulky racing takes place on? It's done on the roads around here and everyone knows it.

Many people on AH wouldn't know this having never been brought up in proximity to travellers - being from Irish Times Letter Page suburbs, as it were.

valknut

Poor animal, pity it wasn't the sulky racer itself.

They regularly race where I am from on quite county roads and are a danger to motorists an children. And travellers are NOT a race by the way to those who think otherwise.

bumper234

gobnaitolunacy wrote: »

Irish Harness Racing Club, which operate grass tracks in Portmarnock, Co Dublin, West Cork and Annaghmore in Co Armagh.



http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/sulky-racing-recommendations-nonsensical-243510.html

I ask this in the NICEST possible way....do you really think that this club would allow travelers to join and race?

gobnaitolunacy

bumper234 wrote: »

I ask this in the NICEST possible way....do you really think that this club would allow travelers to join and race?

Why don't you email them and find out?

iDave

One rule for them one for the rest of us. Sickening.

seamus

bumper234 wrote: »

I ask this in the NICEST possible way....do you really think that this club would allow travelers to join and race?

Why wouldn't they? You do know that if a traveller applied to join and was refused because they were a traveller, the law will back them up?

Larbre34

Why in the name of J does legislation need to be 'strengthened' to deal with these illegal activities on the road?? Please tell me all the bloody volumes of road traffic legislation is sufficient to deal with , speeding, crossing white lines, dangerous driving, failing to yield, failing to indicate, failing to control livestock on the road, tax and insurance offences.

Give me a bloody break about this. I was in Singapore last year, if you commit a serious enough road traffic offence you get a five figure fine, a 6 month prison term, and caned in a way that leaves permanent scars!!

vicwatson

In recent weeks, Cork County Council has proposed strengthening current legislation on 'sulky' racing in order to make the sport safer.

Its recommendations include racers wearing high visibility jackets, anti-roll bars being fitted on to carriages and riders requiring permission prior to travelling on public roads.

This is balls.

They should be made illegal on Public roads FULL STOP, not encouraged to wear high vis jackets.

I pay hefty road tax for this sh1te ??

kowloon

This is going to sound like I'm taking the pi55, but I'm not.

Is the 'driver' of the horse responsible for crashing into the back of a car in the same way as a car owner, or is it treated as the horse ran into a car so the owner of the horse is responsible for the actions of the horse?

seamus

kowloon wrote: »

This is going to sound like I'm taking the pi55, but I'm not.

Is the 'driver' of the horse responsible for crashing into the back of a car in the same way as a car owner, or is it treated as the horse ran into a car so the owner of the horse is responsible for the actions of the horse?

Yes, in this case the usual road traffic provisions would apply. The driver of the sulky is liable for all costs, and also guilty of leaving the scene of an accident. Further charges of dangerous driving would probably also apply.

Outside of road traffic legislation, there's probably an animal welfare law they've broken, but Ireland's animal welfare laws are so pathetic as to be practically non-existent.

Zzippy

CJC999 wrote: »

Pardon the pun but that's horsesh*t! Can someone tell me where their is a racetrack that sulky racing takes place on? It's done on the roads around here and everyone knows it.

There are official racetracks (off road). Look at aerial photography of any rural area on osi.ie and you'll see private practice tracks in fields all over the country.

Just 2 examples

http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,541863,736106,6,0 - Co. Galway

http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,710525,744895,6,0 - Co. Dublin

gobnaitolunacy

vicwatson wrote: »

This is balls.

They should be made illegal on Public roads FULL STOP, not encouraged to wear high vis jackets.

I pay hefty road tax for this sh1te ??

Well, look at it this way, if it's too much trouble for 'fly-by-night' racers to comply with the law...they'll get put off the road anyway.
(in theory..)

SEPT 23 1989

wearing high visibility jackets, anti-roll bars ffs:rolleyes:

how about forcing them to get insurance to race on a tax payer funded public road

no insurance cert = no medieval race

FTA69

Travellers probably wouldn't want to join such a club in my opinion and even if they did, they'd still race on the roads as there is a massive gambling and pride culture around sulky racing.

MarkR

I suppose the owner of the polo is out of pocket so? Horses not having insurance disc and all.

epicmoe

Other sports require dedicated areas, or in the case of rallying, at least roads that are shut to public access during.

vicwatson

As already said, one rule for them, another for the rest of us.

pbthevet

Thats sickening to see. Ban completely and hurry up about it.

Will car owner get insurance money for that? Car parked side of road and all that? Looks like he will have a fight on his hands.

jobyrne30

jobyrne30 wrote: »

This was posted earlier today and was locked.

It's racist to mention Travelers in a negative manner, even if their actions deserve it.

One of the few real irks of modern day society is that we cant call a spade a spade any more. Being part of an ethnic group should not excuse cruelty to animals in any way shape or form. There is several different forms of governance for the various social groups of citizens today and its fúcking totally wrong. :mad:

Every citizen should get respect on condition that they give respect back in return and that is to other people and the animals and property of others.

Ive no problem with travellers and id imagine there is no shortage of good decent citizens amongst them but the minority of idiots will have to be stopped from descending into total barbarism and using 'culture' as a convenient shield. Pressure needs to put on them to conform to some sort of societal norms

Savoir.Faire

FTA69 wrote: »

Travellers probably wouldn't want to join such a club in my opinion and even if they did, they'd still race on the roads as there is a massive gambling and pride culture around sulky racing.

Martin Collins from Pavee Point was on the Last Word last week. Even he admitted that they don't recognise this as part of the traveller culture. It has only appeared in the last 40 to 50 years, as we tended not to have roads that stood up to horse and cart racing at high speed.

It's cruel and barbaric.

RikkFlair

Like I said in the closed thread, how long before a human life is lost? Suppose a child was sitting in the back of that car? Or someone happened to be putting something in the boot?

No doubt the powers that be will take action then, a classic case of closing the barn door after the horse has bolted, pardon the pun.

Alibear

It's absolutely sickening

Sir Humphrey Appleby

vicwatson wrote: »

As already said, one rule for them, another for the rest of us.

Really?
do explain.

valknut

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

Really?
do explain.

Do you really need an explanation to that statement.

Your trying to give nodin a good run for the bleeding hearted liberal title me thinks!

anncoates

seamus wrote: »

Why wouldn't they? You do know that if a traveller applied to join and was refused because they were a traveller, the law will back them up?

I would imagine it's quite hard to enforce if they're smart about it, given that they can reserve the right to admission.

Maybe it does happen, but I don't think pubs ever suffer sanction for refusing traveller funerals and other social events.

RGDATA!

jobyrne30 wrote: »

This was posted earlier today and was locked.

It's racist to mention Travelers in a negative manner, even if their actions deserve it.

Don't play dumb. It's not racist to mention someone who is a Traveller in a negative manner. It is racist to blame or generalise about Travellers as a group based on the the actions of one or two in a specific case.

FTA69

Savoir.Faire wrote: »

Martin Collins from Pavee Point was on the Last Word last week. Even he admitted that they don't recognise this as part of the traveller culture. It has only appeared in the last 40 to 50 years, as we tended not to have roads that stood up to horse and cart racing at high speed.

It's cruel and barbaric.

What I meant was "pride culture", as in families compete with each other over who has the best racers and the best horses etc. I didn't mean to say that this carry on was synonymous with Traveller culture per se.

seamus

anncoates wrote: »

Maybe it does happen, but I don't think pubs ever suffer sanction for refusing traveller funerals and other social events.

Oh they do...
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/travellers-make-equality-act-work-for-them-26025323.html (granted it's more than ten years old)

access to pubs is the biggest problem for Travellers, and a total of 215 of the 309 cases relate to this issue,

The more recent way pubs have had around this is to simply close the pub when a traveller wedding or funeral rolls into town.

valknut

iDave wrote: »

How does living in a caravan, not having a job and dressing your 8 year old like a hooker make you a different race FFS. A bit of cop on is needed. The 'R' is losing all meaning with anyone slightly different using it whenever they receive just criticism.

+1000

I hate the do gooders who try to portray them as misunderstood angels almost as much as travellers themselves. Always get a laugh when people call you racist for telling it like it about them.

iDave

Mod

iDave wrote: »

How does living in a caravan, not having a job and dressing your 8 year old like a hooker make you a different race FFS. A bit of cop on is needed. The 'R' is losing all meaning with anyone slightly different using it whenever they receive just criticism.

valknut wrote: »

+1000

I hate the do gooders who try to portray them as misunderstood angels almost as much as travellers themselves. Always get a laugh when people call you racist for telling it like it about them.

Don't post in this thread again.

MJ23 wrote: »

I f**king hate travellers.

Banned.

More of that and the thread will end up locked as per humanji's warning earlier.

BeerWolf

Travelers ar-urrk!!

*Gets gagged and dragged away*



Seriously though, they've got zero respect for anything outside their family circles...

Filibuster

It's their culture