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When can Regional Support Units be armed?

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  • #32
    Zambia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭Zambia


    rovoagho wrote: »
    That would be very relevant if we weren't talking about a completely different country and police force, and whether or not they were armed. But our police force is, ostensibly, unarmed, and the discussion isn't about that. And they're not in Melbourne. All good things IMHO. Be tricky if they were in Melbourne. Call out times'd mad.

    There are thousands of Irish here all not caring the coppers are armed.

    The discussion is about an armed response officer carrying a gun. Who realised he was out of cash. Seems silly to me it even rates a mention


  • #33
    WIZE
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭WIZE


    Zambia wrote: »
    There are thousands of Irish here all not caring the coppers are armed.

    The discussion is about an armed response officer carrying a gun. Who realised he was out of cash. Seems silly to me it even rates a mention

    Do All Cops in OZ carry guns?

    Edit I answered my own Question
    Equipment and weaponry[edit]All officers are armed when on duty. The standard firearm is the Glock 22 pistol. Officers also carry the X-26 Taser Electronic Control Device (ECD), often described in the media as a "less-than-lethal-force" option.

    Because of the weight of equipment carried on officers' belts, Western Australian uniformed officers are being progressively issued with equipment vests fitted with pockets to safely contain equipment including ammunition magazines for the service pistol, pepper spray, baton, handcuffs, radio and mobile phone. The vests are navy blue in colour, although a fluorescent yellow version is worn for some operations.

    Further specialised equipment is utilised by the TRG, as detailed in that section below

    In Ireland Cops are not armed unless there is a reason for them to be. So it would be very strange as in so rare to see cops in Ireland with a gun unless they are on some type of mission. Im very surprized to hear of cops in ireland carrying guns to ATM machines


  • #34
    source
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,358 ✭✭✭source


    WIZE wrote: »
    Do All Cops in OZ carry guns?

    Edit I answered my own Question


    In Ireland Cops are not armed unless there is a reason for them to be. So it would be very strange as in so rare to see cops in Ireland with a gun unless they are on some type of mission. Im very surprized to hear of cops in ireland carrying guns to ATM machines

    Not true wize, pretty much all plain clothes members are routinely armed, it's just the regular uniformed members that are routinely unarmed.


  • #35
    Zambia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭Zambia


    WIZE wrote: »
    Do All Cops in OZ carry guns?

    Edit I answered my own Question


    In Ireland Cops are not armed unless there is a reason for them to be. So it would be very strange as in so rare to see cops in Ireland with a gun unless they are on some type of mission. Im very surprized to hear of cops in ireland carrying guns to ATM machines

    Here the guys who service ATM's have a private security guard minding them who is armed. Once again no one cares.

    In the op case the member was just getting cash out for himself.


  • #36
    rovoagho
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,151 ✭✭✭rovoagho


    Zambia wrote: »
    The discussion is about an armed response officer carrying a gun.

    In Ireland. Very specifically in Ireland. This isn't a thread about arming the Irish police force. If you want to talk about that, do it elsewhere please. As to the rest of the posts, as someone has already pointed out, we don't have open carry in Ireland except in particular circumstances. Detectives with concealed pistols are again irrelevant.

    I'm pretty sure queueing for dosh isn't one of those particular circumstances. Unless he was getting cash for doughnuts :) on the company card, he should've put it away before going on his personal business. IMHO.


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  • #37
    WIZE
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭WIZE


    source wrote: »
    Not true wize, pretty much all plain clothes members are routinely armed, it's just the regular uniformed members that are routinely unarmed.
    Maybe with Guns hidden among the clothes but slung over there shoulder?

    Also Zambia none of this thread can be compared to any other country.


  • #38
    Markcheese
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,010 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Zambia wrote: »
    Here the guys who service ATM's have a private security guard minding them who is armed. Once again no one cares.

    In the op case the member was just getting cash out for himself.

    Would you be slightly alarmed if an army officer drove his tank up on to the pavement just to use the ATM ... It's just not the done thing...
    No one here in Ireland blinks to see 6 or 8 armed soldiers fan out around a bank during bank cash deliveries... Because it's expected and part of normal practice...
    Uniformed Gardai with firearms isn't...

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • #39
    bravestar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,082 ✭✭✭bravestar


    Markcheese wrote: »
    Would you be slightly alarmed if an army officer drove his tank up on to the pavement just to use the ATM ... It's just not the done thing...
    No one here in Ireland blinks to see 6 or 8 armed soldiers fan out around a bank during bank cash deliveries... Because it's expected and part of normal practice...
    Uniformed Gardai with firearms isn't...

    Maybe you should get with the times so. The RSU have been around long enough now, armed, with a uniform on. Get over it.


  • #40
    Markcheese
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,010 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    bravestar wrote: »
    Maybe you should get with the times so. The RSU have been around long enough now, armed, with a uniform on. Get over it.

    Thanks for the update but don't worry I'm aware of the RSU,they've been calling into where I work to get coffee for years... Have yet to see any of them in "tactical " gear and carrying a firearm (to be fair never checked for holsters ect :) ) ... Anyway think they do a great job, so I think I'm over it .... :):)

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • #41
    source
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,358 ✭✭✭source


    WIZE wrote: »
    Maybe with Guns hidden among the clothes but slung over there shoulder?

    Also Zambia none of this thread can be compared to any other country.

    That's not what you said though, you said:

    "In Ireland Cops are not armed unless there is a reason for them to be."

    I was pointing out that this is incorrect, it doesn't matter whether they're carried overtly or covertly, the fact remains that there are over 3000 firearms card holders in AGS. The vast majority of whom are armed every time they are on duty.

    I know that in Limerick the RSU were directed by the local Chief super to be armed at all times, something which filtered to cork and it would appear the other divisions where they're based.


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  • #42
    goldie fish
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,195 ✭✭✭goldie fish


    WIZE wrote: »
    Maybe with Guns hidden among the clothes but slung over there shoulder?

    Also Zambia none of this thread can be compared to any other country.

    If by "hidden amongst their clothes" you mean "worn in a holster which is looped through the belt on their trousers visible to anyone with sight".

    And because nobody else has said it yet...

    "won't somebody think of the children".

    You need to ask yourself, why are you so concerned that a Garda is armed, when what you should really be concerned with is why does garda management feel the need to arm our police force?

    Could it be perhaps, because they need to be armed???


  • #43
    TheNog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,160 ✭✭✭TheNog


    Voodoomelon wrote: »
    Hope this doesn't sound like i'm stirring things up, this is a genuine question.

    A friend recently stood beside an RSU Garda in line at a garage ATM in Dundalk recently, who had his MP7 slung over his shoulder. The friend, being in the army, asked if he was on a call and he said no.

    My understanding was all weapons carried by the RSU vehicles were to be locked away unless required, is this not the case?


    Not all the time especially with the MP7. Pistols are routinely worn full time and has been the case for a while now.

    Your friend in the army should have known that question was a question that should not have been asked. If i asked him the same question when he was on a job he would have brushed it off. Whether he knew I'm a Garda or not. I wouldn't have asked it anyway.

    It is unfortunate that more and more armed Gardai are visible these days but that's how it's going.


  • #44
    Voodoomelon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,653 ✭✭✭Voodoomelon


    TheNog wrote: »
    Your friend in the army should have known that question was a question that should not have been asked.

    I'd agree, it was a d**khead know-it all question and I take what he says with a pinch of salt, but I believe he saw what he saw.

    To be honest if there was two officers in the car and one needed to hop out to to an ATM, i see no reason why he thought it would make more sense to do so with his primary, whatever about a sidearm. Personally I would have left it in the car if it was my choice.


  • #45
    Scouser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 883 ✭✭✭Scouser


    Voodoomelon wrote: »

    Personally I would have left it in the car if it was my choice.

    leaving your official sidearm down, unattended, out of your sight and reach..................not a good idea

    where you go, it goes. end of


  • #46
    Leo Demidov
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 991 ✭✭✭Leo Demidov


    Meh, off topic. ^^^

    Nice to see the po po can have a civil discussion with the civilians. To be fair to OP, its not every day you see a cop fully tooled up in the Topaz, probably better advised in future to display ones awe silently though.


  • #47
    Voodoomelon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,653 ✭✭✭Voodoomelon


    I'm sure many on here know more than I do in terms of operation, but I would have thought leaving it in the car with another armed officer, instead of standing facing an ATM wall with no peripheral vision whilst your weapon is hanging by your side would be a better option.


  • #48
    Voodoomelon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,653 ✭✭✭Voodoomelon


    Just to add, I think it's great to see an armed presence and have no qualms about their necessity. I got an answer to my original question and thanks to all that replied.


  • #49
    sdanseo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,291 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    Just arm them all and be done with it at this stage. Well overdue and certainly not a big deal given that only ourselves, the UK and NZ are still routinely unarmed. In fact the UK approach to firearms is appallingly bad, guns are treated like nuclear weapons in terms of their overbearing and purely moronic political correctness.

    That and remove the routine wearing of high-visibility jackets on regular foot patrol - it makes Gardaí look unprofessional when not required (mainly because the standard High-Vis is so ridiculously badly designed).


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