serving a pregnant woman

Nonoperational · 27-09-2013 08:25PM

dark crystal wrote: »

There's no evidence she was getting pissed though is there? That's a very different kettle of fish. A glass of wine in late pregnancy isn't going to do any harm.

When I was 9 days overdue on my last baby (and in extreme discomfort), I read an article that recommended gin might help 'move labor along', so I had 1 G&T to test the theory. I hadn't had an alcoholic drink throughout the whole pregnancy other than that. Maybe she was desperate!

Nope, no evidence at all. Was just making the point...

my teapot is orange · 27-09-2013 08:30PM

I know of a situation where a pregnant woman was to be induced the next day and the doctor said she should spend the evening having a nice meal and a glass of wine.

keith16 · 27-09-2013 08:33PM

my teapot is orange wrote: »

I know of a situation where a pregnant woman was to be induced the next day and the doctor said she should spend the evening having a nice meal and a glass of wine.

Tell me more about your orange teapot.

Umekichi · 27-09-2013 08:33PM

Too right that lady got annoyed I would have too.
I had that guff when I was pregnant too, myself and the OH would go out once a month(maybe 2 if we were flush / lucky) and I would have 1 - 2 beers, I even went out of my way to drink beers with low-ish alcohol contents and honestly went out moreso to have some sort of social life. It was fun but I had gotten some snarky comments, nasty looks and had been refused by a barman until I requested the manager!

God forbid that a pregnant woman should go out and have some fun!

The Backwards Man · 27-09-2013 08:34PM

I'd serve her, then quietly judge her. It's easier to preach morality on a full wallet.

Nonoperational · 27-09-2013 08:34PM

Umekichi wrote: »

Too right that lady got annoyed I would have too.
I had that guff when I was pregnant too, myself and the OH would go out once a month(maybe 2 if we were flush / lucky) and I would have 1 - 2 beers, I even went out of my way to drink beers with low-ish alcohol contents and honestly went out moreso to have some sort of social life. It was fun but I had gotten some snarky comments, nasty looks and had been refused by a barman until I requested the manager!

God forbid that a pregnant woman should go out and have some fun!

I don't think anybody is begrudging pregnant women any fun in fairness.

Muise... · 27-09-2013 08:37PM

My mother went into labour while sipping a gin and tonic in a pub. My father immediately panicked, but by all accounts Mam looked at her watch, counted, and said "we've time for another one."

L.Jenkins · 27-09-2013 08:40PM

Ten of Swords wrote: »

Why? Can't she make her own decisions?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_alcohol_syndrome

The above would be a good reason!

Orlaw3136 · 27-09-2013 08:43PM

Itzy wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_alcohol_syndrome

The above would be a good reason!

Are you for real ? There's no suggestion that she was drinking heavily. She was refused 'a drink'. You don't convey fetal alcohol syndrome to your unborn child by having 'a drink' of an alcoholic beverage. Cop on !

If she was clearly pissed up that would be another story. But then pubs arn't supposed to serve anyone who's intoxicated (a whole other story).

angelfire9 · 27-09-2013 08:43PM

Itzy wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_alcohol_syndrome

The above would be a good reason!

Did you actually read that link ?
Stop being so judgemental I wonder how many of the posters here have actually been pregnant :rolleyes:

L.Jenkins · 27-09-2013 08:46PM

Orlaw3136 wrote: »

Are you for real ? There's no suggestion that she was drinking heavily. She was refused 'a drink'. You don't convey fetal alcohol syndrome to your unborn child by having 'a drink' of an alcoholic beverage. Cop on !

If she was clearly pissed up that would be another story. But then pubs arn't supposed to serve anyone who's intoxicated (a whole other story).

Cop on! Seriously!

Fetal alcohol exposure is the leading known cause of mental retardation in the Western world.[7][8] In the United States and Europe, the FAS prevalence rate is estimated to be between 0.2-2 in every 1000 live births.[9][10] FAS should not be confused with Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorders (FASD), a condition which describes a continuum of permanent birth defects caused by maternal consumption of alcohol during pregnancy, which includes FAS, as well as other disorders, and which affects about 1% of live births in the US (i.e., about 10 cases per 1000 live births).[11][12][13][14] The lifetime medical and social costs of FAS are estimated to be as high as US$800,000 per child born with the disorder.[15] Surveys found that in the United States, 10–15% of pregnant women report having recently drunk alcohol, and up to 30% drink alcohol at some point during pregnancy.[16][17] The current recommendation of the Surgeon General of the United States, the BritishDepartment of Health and the Australian Government National Health and Medical Research Council is to drink no alcohol at all during pregnancy.[18][19][20][21]

my teapot is orange · 27-09-2013 08:46PM

keith16 wrote: »

Tell me more about your orange teapot.

Its got a lovely floral tea cosy, but it's a bit too fat and it's spout is too short.

Ten of Swords · 27-09-2013 08:47PM

Itzy wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_alcohol_syndrome

The above would be a good reason!

The question is would you refuse to let her execute her own judgement and order a drink, regardless of whether she has considered the consequences or not?

It is her decision, and hers alone, to make and I would feel no moral obligation to tell her otherwise.

Umekichi · 27-09-2013 08:50PM

Itzy wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_alcohol_syndrome

The above would be a good reason!

This is exactly the attitude that I experienced and I would imagine a lot more pregnant women have had aswell when they go out for a drink.

1 - 2 drinks doesn't equate to FAS however binge drinking on a regular basis will.

Muise... · 27-09-2013 08:51PM

Itzy wrote: »

Cop on! Seriously!

I would hazard a guess that the reason these medical councils are recommending no alcohol at all during pregnancy is that they are erring on the side of caution because carrying out tests to determine how much alcohol a foetus can tolerate without developing FAS would be out of the question ethically.

L.Jenkins · 27-09-2013 08:51PM

Yes I would refuse her. I believe in a womans right to choose, but if she wants to continue her pregnancy, why should she be allowed to put a child at risk of exposure to Alcohol and Nicotine.

A womans right to choose whether she pumps other shít into her body is also her choice. Is it that of her child also?

http://www.sheknows.com/parenting/articles/989881/babies-born-addicted-neonatal-abstinence-syndrome

L.Jenkins · 27-09-2013 08:52PM

Muise... wrote: »

I would hazard a guess that the reason these medical councils are recommending no alcohol at all during pregnancy is that they are erring on the side of caution because carrying out tests to determine how much alcohol a foetus can tolerate without developing FAS would be out of the question ethically.

Then why let pregnant women do so?

ThisRegard · 27-09-2013 08:52PM

Itzy wrote: »

Cop on! Seriously!

They'd also recommend a single gay man not to drink at all, what's your point?

keith16 · 27-09-2013 08:54PM

Orlaw3136 wrote: »

Are you for real ? There's no suggestion that she was drinking heavily. She was refused 'a drink'. You don't convey fetal alcohol syndrome to your unborn child by having 'a drink' of an alcoholic beverage. Cop on !

If she was clearly pissed up that would be another story. But then pubs arn't supposed to serve anyone who's intoxicated (a whole other story).

I just think a few people are taking this one incident and having a more general conversation about drinking while pregnant. Obviously no-one doubts that drinking in moderation while pregnant is fine, and even a glass or two of wine is encouraged.

L.Jenkins · 27-09-2013 08:55PM

ThisRegard wrote: »

They'd also recommend a single gay man not to drink at all, what's your point?

I fail to see your point and how it's actually relevant to the discussion. What I'm trying to state is, the consumption of drugs or alcohol during pregnancy could be harmful to the foetus, so why take any chance? After that, a woman who has given birth can go nuts without any repercussions for the child.

syklops · 27-09-2013 08:57PM

keith16 wrote:

Obviously no-one doubts that drinking in moderation while pregnant is fine, and even a glass or two of wine is encouraged.

Read the thread more closely. Some people are suggesting a glass of wine is akin to child abuse.

syklops · 27-09-2013 08:58PM

Itzy wrote: »

After that, a woman who has given birth can go nuts without any repercussions for the child.

Not if she is breast feeding.

ThisRegard · 27-09-2013 09:00PM

Itzy wrote: »

I fail to see your point and how it's actually relevant to the discussion. What I'm trying to state is, the consumption of drugs or alcohol during pregnancy could be harmful to the foetus, so why take any chance? After that, a woman who has given birth can go nuts without any repercussions for the child.

It's fairly obvious, it's recommended by some sections of the medical profession that nobody drink any alcohol so your bolded line is meaningless. I could post similar advice that moderate alcohol consumption while pregnant is safe and may be even beneficial. Moderate being more than one glass of wine.

L.Jenkins · 27-09-2013 09:00PM

I'm not suggesting it's child abuse, but woman could lay off it for 9 months of there lives for the sake of a child. As you've seen the links I've provided, alcohol consumption 'could' be problematic for the child later on in life. As someone who has worked as a social care provider, I've also seen the effects first hand.

Padraig Mor · 27-09-2013 09:04PM

Itzy wrote: »

I'm not suggesting it's child abuse, but woman could lay off it for 9 months of there lives for the sake of a child. As you've seen the links I've provided, alcohol consumption 'could' be problematic for the child later on in life. As someone who has worked as a social care provider, I've also seen the effects first hand.

There is absolutely no medical evidence that moderate alcohol consumption has any effect on the foetus.

L.Jenkins · 27-09-2013 09:05PM

ThisRegard wrote: »

It's fairly obvious, it's recommended by some sections of the medical profession that nobody drink any alcohol so your bolded line is meaningless. I could post similar advice that moderate alcohol consumption while pregnant is safe and may be even beneficial. Moderate being more than one glass of wine.

So whose advice do you take then? And if you're suggesting moderation, how do you know for sure that a heavily pregnant woman hasn't been drinking prior to requesting a few drinks down at her local, thus making 'moderate consumption' somewhat redundant?

syklops · 27-09-2013 09:05PM

Itzy wrote: »

I'm not suggesting it's child abuse, but woman could lay off it for 9 months of there lives for the sake of a child. As you've seen the links I've provided, alcohol consumption 'could' be problematic for the child later on in life. As someone who has worked as a social care provider, I've also seen the effects first hand.

You posted a link to an article about babies being born addicted to alcohol because their mothers were addicted to alcohol. Surely, as a former social care provider you can see the difference between one drink and an addiction?

ThisRegard · 27-09-2013 09:08PM

Itzy wrote: »

So whose advice do you take then? And if you're suggesting moderation, how do you know for sure that a heavily pregnant woman hasn't been drinking prior to requesting a few drinks down at her local, thus making 'moderate consumption' somewhat redundant?

Who's advice? Certainly not a barman or barmaids for starters. It's fairly obvious if a person has had a few already.

Ten of Swords · 27-09-2013 09:09PM

Itzy wrote: »

I'm not suggesting it's child abuse, but woman could lay off it for 9 months of there lives for the sake of a child.

They probably could, and probably should, but if they don't can you make that decision for them?

This article sets out a rather extreme scenario but I'd be interested to hear your opinion on it.

L.Jenkins · 27-09-2013 09:09PM

syklops wrote: »

You posted a link to an article about babies being born addicted to alcohol because their mothers were addicted to alcohol. Surely, as a former social care provider you can see the difference between one drink and an addiction?

I could have been certain that was drugs, to highlight the fact that what you consume has an effect.

Padraig Mor wrote: »

There is absolutely no medical evidence that moderate alcohol consumption has any effect on the foetus.

And in the same breath, there's no evidence to suggest the opposite. So why temp fate?

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