serving a pregnant woman

Henwin

half heard a story on the radio today bout a lady who was goin for a quick drink after work with friends, she was heavily pregnant at the time. the bartender refused to serve her. she got the hump and later complained i think. so he had to issue an apology,
what wud you do if you wer a bartender and a pregnant woman came in looking for an alcoholic drink? i wouldnt serve her

Ten of Swords

Henwin wrote: »

i wouldnt serve her

Why? Can't she make her own decisions?

Henwin

yes she can, but her baby cant.

Vinz Mesrine

There is no legal reason for her not to be served. Should the same woman be refused cigarettes in a shop?

Banjo String

A drink in moderation should be harmless enough. In fact I think some doctors have recommended one or two in moderation.


Besides..... Who made you the preggers police op?

johnnyskeleton

Henwin wrote: »

half heard a story on the radio today bout a lady who was goin for a quick drink after work with friends, she was heavily pregnant at the time. the bartender refused to serve her. she got the hump and later complained i think. so he had to issue an apology,
what wud you do if you wer a bartender and a pregnant woman came in looking for an alcoholic drink? i wouldnt serve her

Maybe she was just fat. He should have asked her if maybe a coors light is more appropriate.

ardinn

I'd say he just thought she was fat! - Ye cant be going filling your bar with fat birds like!!!

Ihatecuddles-old

Would you serve a pregnant woman cigarettes? A bottle of wine in a supermarket??

I often did, what they do with those products is their own business.

Rothmans

Ten of Swords wrote: »

Why? Can't she make her own decisions?

Vinz Mesrine wrote: »

There is no legal reason for her not to be served. Should the same woman be refused cigarettes in a shop?

These replies are amusing. This woman is the type that AH usually looks on with disdain.
Wouldn't surprise me if some court found this to be gender discrimination.

Chattastrophe!

An occasional drink is not going to do either the woman or her baby any harm by the time she's visibly pregnant - the big danger is drinking excessive alcohol in the first couple of months of pregnancy. If a woman chooses to have a drink when pregnant, it's her own business.

lahalane

I'd serve her. It'd be my job. Her being pregnant has nothing got to do with me. I don't really know what harm alcohol does to the baby but it wouldn't really concern me either. I don't care about some stranger or her unborn child. Might sound harsh but I've enough to be worrying about without worrying about strangers.

Vinz Mesrine

Rothmans wrote: »

These replies are amusing. This woman is the type that AH usually looks on with disdain.
Wouldn't surprise me if some court found this to be gender discrimination.

I have worked in bars and have served pregnant women because there is no legal reason not to. I can obviously look down on them(and have done) but I still wouldn't refuse to serve them a drink.

Outkast_IRE

I was of the belief that in the last few years the doctors have started saying that there is nothing wrong with a drink or two in moderation on occasion when pregnant.
Its when binge drinking occurs during pregnancy that it can cause issues.

Turtyturd

Vinz Mesrine wrote: »

Should the same woman be refused cigarettes in a shop?

Yes.

It's her own business, not the morality police

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

she might have just been having a bit of dutch courage before heading down to the abortion complex

Grandpa Hassan

Henwin wrote: »

what wud you do if you wer a bartender and a pregnant woman came in looking for an alcoholic drink? i wouldnt serve her

why not? One drink does the baby no harm. Plenty of research on that

Ten of Swords

Henwin wrote: »

yes she can, but her baby cant.

So where does your moral responsibility end? Once she leaves the bar?

WoollyRedHat

I dunno... would you play tennis with a pregnant woman? Do you play tennis even?

Nonoperational

I'd serve her, it might just be the one.

Bad form though, getting pissed when your pregnant. Very bad form.

Grandpa Hassan

Nonoperational wrote: »

I'd serve her, it might just be the one.

Bad form though, getting pissed when your pregnant. Very bad form.

Oh, I didn't realise she was getting pissed. I thought she was just buying a drink. My mistake

Cody Pomeray

Ihatecuddles wrote: »

Would you serve a pregnant woman cigarettes? A bottle of wine in a supermarket??

I often did, what they do with those products is their own business.

*visualizes what else a pregnant woman might be doing with a wine bottle..*

seosamh1980

Grandpa Hassan wrote: »

Oh, I didn't realise she was getting pissed. I thought she was just buying a drink. My mistake

No she wasn't, she was just having one glass of wine, which she has once a week.

Henwin

ya ok. i suppose its none of my business and i shud just do what im paid to do, but it cant be tat hard can it, to give up drink and smoking for 9 months.

December2012

Henwin wrote: »

ya ok. i suppose its none of my business and i shud just do what im paid to do, but it cant be tat hard can it, to give up drink and smoking for 9 months.

Have you ever done it?

Chattastrophe!

Henwin wrote: »

ya ok. i suppose its none of my business and i shud just do what im paid to do, but it cant be tat hard can it, to give up drink and smoking for 9 months.

Would you refuse to serve her a coke or a coffee too, if she asked? Because you know women should avoid caffeine when pregnant, don't you?

Or would you let her use her own judgement in those cases?

dark crystal

Nonoperational wrote: »

I'd serve her, it might just be the one.

Bad form though, getting pissed when your pregnant. Very bad form.

There's no evidence she was getting pissed though is there? That's a very different kettle of fish. A glass of wine in late pregnancy isn't going to do any harm.

When I was 9 days overdue on my last baby (and in extreme discomfort), I read an article that recommended gin might help 'move labor along', so I had 1 G&T to test the theory. I hadn't had an alcoholic drink throughout the whole pregnancy other than that. Maybe she was desperate!

lahalane

Henwin wrote: »

it cant be tat hard can it, to give up drink and smoking for 9 months.

If it was easy then there'd be no addicts. Depends on the person obviously. Social smoker who goes out once a month. Easy. 20 a day, drinking 3 times a week. Probably a bit harder.

wolfpawnat

I bought beer during both of my pregnancies, I do the shopping so I bought them for my partner. When I was pregnant with my first I got him a six pack and got really funny looks, it was Valentines Day.

I went for a meal in a bar once too, I ordered a pint of milk, I got a pint of Millers! The girl misheard me!

Pete M.

And what if she lost her inhibitions so much with the drink,then went for the ride, would that be like child abuse or paedophilia by surrogacy?

She should sue the bollix out of the bar and put the award into a trust fund for the child.

Kid could say that he was so lucky and set for life cos his Ma drank while pregnant, well at least tried to.

keith16

One or two is no harm. But drinking / smoking excessively while pregnant is wrong IMO.

I know its none of my business and all that but look at how outraged people are getting about the baby whose parents fed him methadone.

Two very different things I grant you but still both maltreatment IMO.

Kids are utterly defenceless against the whims of their parents and nobody cares it seems. Look at the HSE taking a 1 day old child from the parents. Should they mind their own business.

Maybe we should try to be a little more like that barman. Granted, he was overreacting. But what about the barman that saw how the parents were treating the methadone baby - should he have done more upon witnessing such clear neglect?

Or should we save our moralising for internet forums when the horse has bolted and at the same time mind our own business as long as no one has died?

Nonoperational

dark crystal wrote: »

There's no evidence she was getting pissed though is there? That's a very different kettle of fish. A glass of wine in late pregnancy isn't going to do any harm.

When I was 9 days overdue on my last baby (and in extreme discomfort), I read an article that recommended gin might help 'move labor along', so I had 1 G&T to test the theory. I hadn't had an alcoholic drink throughout the whole pregnancy other than that. Maybe she was desperate!

Nope, no evidence at all. Was just making the point...

my teapot is orange

I know of a situation where a pregnant woman was to be induced the next day and the doctor said she should spend the evening having a nice meal and a glass of wine.

keith16

my teapot is orange wrote: »

I know of a situation where a pregnant woman was to be induced the next day and the doctor said she should spend the evening having a nice meal and a glass of wine.

Tell me more about your orange teapot.

Umekichi

Too right that lady got annoyed I would have too.
I had that guff when I was pregnant too, myself and the OH would go out once a month(maybe 2 if we were flush / lucky) and I would have 1 - 2 beers, I even went out of my way to drink beers with low-ish alcohol contents and honestly went out moreso to have some sort of social life. It was fun but I had gotten some snarky comments, nasty looks and had been refused by a barman until I requested the manager!

God forbid that a pregnant woman should go out and have some fun!

The Backwards Man

I'd serve her, then quietly judge her. It's easier to preach morality on a full wallet.

Nonoperational

Umekichi wrote: »

Too right that lady got annoyed I would have too.
I had that guff when I was pregnant too, myself and the OH would go out once a month(maybe 2 if we were flush / lucky) and I would have 1 - 2 beers, I even went out of my way to drink beers with low-ish alcohol contents and honestly went out moreso to have some sort of social life. It was fun but I had gotten some snarky comments, nasty looks and had been refused by a barman until I requested the manager!

God forbid that a pregnant woman should go out and have some fun!

I don't think anybody is begrudging pregnant women any fun in fairness.

Muise...

My mother went into labour while sipping a gin and tonic in a pub. My father immediately panicked, but by all accounts Mam looked at her watch, counted, and said "we've time for another one."

L.Jenkins

Ten of Swords wrote: »

Why? Can't she make her own decisions?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_alcohol_syndrome

The above would be a good reason!

Orlaw3136

Itzy wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_alcohol_syndrome

The above would be a good reason!

Are you for real ? There's no suggestion that she was drinking heavily. She was refused 'a drink'. You don't convey fetal alcohol syndrome to your unborn child by having 'a drink' of an alcoholic beverage. Cop on !

If she was clearly pissed up that would be another story. But then pubs arn't supposed to serve anyone who's intoxicated (a whole other story).

angelfire9

Itzy wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_alcohol_syndrome

The above would be a good reason!

Did you actually read that link ?
Stop being so judgemental I wonder how many of the posters here have actually been pregnant :rolleyes:

L.Jenkins

Orlaw3136 wrote: »

Are you for real ? There's no suggestion that she was drinking heavily. She was refused 'a drink'. You don't convey fetal alcohol syndrome to your unborn child by having 'a drink' of an alcoholic beverage. Cop on !

If she was clearly pissed up that would be another story. But then pubs arn't supposed to serve anyone who's intoxicated (a whole other story).

Cop on! Seriously!

Fetal alcohol exposure is the leading known cause of mental retardation in the Western world.[7][8] In the United States and Europe, the FAS prevalence rate is estimated to be between 0.2-2 in every 1000 live births.[9][10] FAS should not be confused with Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorders (FASD), a condition which describes a continuum of permanent birth defects caused by maternal consumption of alcohol during pregnancy, which includes FAS, as well as other disorders, and which affects about 1% of live births in the US (i.e., about 10 cases per 1000 live births).[11][12][13][14] The lifetime medical and social costs of FAS are estimated to be as high as US$800,000 per child born with the disorder.[15] Surveys found that in the United States, 10–15% of pregnant women report having recently drunk alcohol, and up to 30% drink alcohol at some point during pregnancy.[16][17] The current recommendation of the Surgeon General of the United States, the BritishDepartment of Health and the Australian Government National Health and Medical Research Council is to drink no alcohol at all during pregnancy.[18][19][20][21]

my teapot is orange

keith16 wrote: »

Tell me more about your orange teapot.

Its got a lovely floral tea cosy, but it's a bit too fat and it's spout is too short.

Ten of Swords

Itzy wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_alcohol_syndrome

The above would be a good reason!

The question is would you refuse to let her execute her own judgement and order a drink, regardless of whether she has considered the consequences or not?

It is her decision, and hers alone, to make and I would feel no moral obligation to tell her otherwise.

Umekichi

Itzy wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_alcohol_syndrome

The above would be a good reason!

This is exactly the attitude that I experienced and I would imagine a lot more pregnant women have had aswell when they go out for a drink.

1 - 2 drinks doesn't equate to FAS however binge drinking on a regular basis will.

Muise...

Itzy wrote: »

Cop on! Seriously!

I would hazard a guess that the reason these medical councils are recommending no alcohol at all during pregnancy is that they are erring on the side of caution because carrying out tests to determine how much alcohol a foetus can tolerate without developing FAS would be out of the question ethically.

L.Jenkins

Yes I would refuse her. I believe in a womans right to choose, but if she wants to continue her pregnancy, why should she be allowed to put a child at risk of exposure to Alcohol and Nicotine.

A womans right to choose whether she pumps other shít into her body is also her choice. Is it that of her child also?

http://www.sheknows.com/parenting/articles/989881/babies-born-addicted-neonatal-abstinence-syndrome

L.Jenkins

Muise... wrote: »

I would hazard a guess that the reason these medical councils are recommending no alcohol at all during pregnancy is that they are erring on the side of caution because carrying out tests to determine how much alcohol a foetus can tolerate without developing FAS would be out of the question ethically.

Then why let pregnant women do so?

ThisRegard

Itzy wrote: »

Cop on! Seriously!

They'd also recommend a single gay man not to drink at all, what's your point?

keith16

Orlaw3136 wrote: »

Are you for real ? There's no suggestion that she was drinking heavily. She was refused 'a drink'. You don't convey fetal alcohol syndrome to your unborn child by having 'a drink' of an alcoholic beverage. Cop on !

If she was clearly pissed up that would be another story. But then pubs arn't supposed to serve anyone who's intoxicated (a whole other story).

I just think a few people are taking this one incident and having a more general conversation about drinking while pregnant. Obviously no-one doubts that drinking in moderation while pregnant is fine, and even a glass or two of wine is encouraged.

L.Jenkins

ThisRegard wrote: »

They'd also recommend a single gay man not to drink at all, what's your point?

I fail to see your point and how it's actually relevant to the discussion. What I'm trying to state is, the consumption of drugs or alcohol during pregnancy could be harmful to the foetus, so why take any chance? After that, a woman who has given birth can go nuts without any repercussions for the child.