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All-Ireland Football Final Maigh Eo vs Baile Átha Cliath

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭themandan6611


    dublin forwards have had real difficulties getting frees this year, a 32-12 free count is unusual. How in gods name was the o'carroll tackle a free in ? mannion and brogan getting ridden all the time. bodies placed on the line yesterday, mcmahon, o'carroll, o'gara, cooper etc

    ref was muck, gavin and his team were the dominate team all year, could be a few more AI's in this team.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,098 ✭✭✭Barlett


    Dublin
    One of the main things Mayo improved on this year was their tackling. Their ability to turnover the ball is one of the strengths of their game so Im not surprised they conceded so few frees. What constitutes a fair tackle seems to vary from referee to referee so that's why we're left in these situations where we all feel wronged by the man in black


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,078 ✭✭✭Muff Richardson


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    Weetabix wrote: »
    Agree 100%. Crowds are not segregated like soccer thankfully and Mayo has as much right as anybody to be there, I was a neutral on the Hill and really enjoyed it yesterday, great craic between both sets of supporters.

    its great to see when the Hill is packed with Dubs and it raises hairs on the back of your neck when there or watching and listening to it from afar, but it's not ours and I totally agree with what you say about any supporter having the right to be there.

    I'm delighted to hear that there was great craic between both sets of supporters yesterday, this is the first mention of it that I have read here, this is what we are most proud of as GAA supporters and long may it continue...great to hear and thanks for mentioning.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,415 ✭✭✭stooge


    As a neutral (my team was knocked out early) I thought the qaulity of the football and handpassing was fairly poor. There were way too many silly frees given, too many simple hand passes missed, lots of errant kicks and plenty of lads carrying a ball into a tackle only to lose the ball. also, this short passing game and mentality of trying to keep possession that has crept in over the past few years has IMO removed a lot of the excitement from the game. The tactic of getting 12/13 men within your own 45 to defend is another thing slowly killing the game.

    Overall though, dublin probably deserved the win. They were able to charge through Mayo's midfield and half back line way too easily. The goals were very poor to give away but bernard brogan was clinical and will be an all star this year no doubt. Can't understand the choice of taking a point at the end. Surely a quick free and attempt aty a goal was the best choice.

    One final thing, one poster mentioned that the Hill should be Dublin fans only. I find this the most ridiculous comment I've seen in a while. Croke park was paid for by all the counties and not one has a right to a particular part no matter how big or small in terms of size or population.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr




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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,087 ✭✭✭Spring Onion


    Dublin
    Everybody says Dublin deserved it because they had better forwards but apart from Brogan, which of the starting Dublin forwards shone? I don't think any of the others got more than 1 point. Kilkenny had a lot of wides or short shots.
    If the Mayo forwards had even one other on-form scoring forward I think they would have won.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭Dots1982


    Draw
    I didn't think the referee was bad, it was a very physical fast game and a lot of off the ball stuff going on. It was not a game I would have liked to referee. The tackle is not clearly defined so criticising GAA refs for their intrepretation of the tackle is not essentially fair.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    Draw
    Congratulations to the Dubs, fully deserving all ireland champions and the game panned out pretty much exactly as i expected. Mayo good start, Dubs come back and finish strong.

    Ive always been a big critic of mcquillan, but i dont think he did Mayo any harm yesterday, they got alot of calls their way. The amount of time Cillian o Connor took taking the frees was insane, not saying it cost them, but it defo prevented them having another minute or two to get the equaliser.

    one thing - was i the only one that though the Dublin function last night was a bit strange on the Sunday game? seemed to be alot more low key than other years and not alot happening there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,847 ✭✭✭intellectual dosser


    Everybody says Dublin deserved it because they had better forwards but apart from Brogan, which of the starting Dublin forwards shone? I don't think any of the others got more than 1 point. Kilkenny had a lot of wides or short shots.
    If the Mayo forwards had even one other on-form scoring forward I think they would have won.

    I think Paul Flynn is one of the best players in the country and IMO the biggest unsung hero in Gaelic Games, he put himself about yesterday and got involved, making crucial little touches here and there. He played in the long ball for Brogan's first. I thought he had a great game.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,124 ✭✭✭joe swanson


    yeah shame on them for celebrating winning the all ireland, arms in the air and all that noisy cheering. what are you on about.

    if you are going to talk about unsportsmanlike behaviour look no further than Andy Moran trying to taunt the Hill after his goal with his hands behind his ears...clearly rehearsed in

    front of the mirror at home only the idiot didn't bank on the Hill being half full of his own supporters so I'm not sure it really had the intended impact

    Wat i mean is by their unsportsmanlike fouling, and gavins comments which attempt to justify the charade. Absolutely celebrate no problem. They did just about deserve to win overall but the manner of victory makes it a little hollow.

    And as for other teams doing it absolutely. That behaviour shouldnt happen - end of.

    But this thread is about yesterdays match.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,152 ✭✭✭flanzer


    I think Paul Flynn is one of the best players in the country and IMO the biggest unsung hero in Gaelic Games, he put himself about yesterday and got involved, making crucial little touches here and there. He played in the long ball for Brogan's first. I thought he had a great game.

    Eoghan O'Gara likewise yesterday. I've been one of his biggest critics this season. While he may not play the most sexiest brand of football, he definitely pulled it out the bag yesterday and ruffled up a few the Mayo backs before getting injured


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,593 ✭✭✭DoctaDee


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    Just dug this out as one of my prophetic moments pre Kerry game...

    DoctaDee wrote: »
    With the risk of indulging in hyperbole ... Dublin/Kerry matches in the championship have given some of the greatest defining moments in Football. The 70's are now consigned to nostalgia .. but even back to the 2 games in Thurles in 2001 and "that" point. The 2007 & 09 S/F's for differing reasons rubberstamped the greatness of the Kerry team. The '07 SF was a match between the 2 best teams in the country and befitted a final.

    2011 gave (and I'm biased) Dublin a well deserved AI from all the disappointments in the intervening 16 years and beating Kerry added it as a "proper" AI.

    So 2013 I feel will be no different. In many cases over the years one of the SF's was in actual fact the game of the year - followed by a damp squib of an AI final. The result is unclear but there's every chance this game will leave an indelible mark for years

    I personally felt yesterday was slightly anti-climatic, in what was probably the most brutally hard game of football I've seen in years. Dublin hung in there in the face of Mayo ascendancy 1st half and when their time came to dominate, Mayo couldn't live with them.

    I was listening to Brian Carthy on RTE radio on the way home asking Liam O'Neill whether he thought there was another drawn match on the cards, he answered no .. that it was the type of match you knew that there would be an outcome from .. that one team knew how to win, the other didn't.

    Huge credit to all the Mayo fans that were there yesterday it's a hard one to take - there's no platitudes that can be offered to lessen the hurt. Mayo are in the unfortunate position of having a great team but having found one team better than them in the last 2 years. Ta


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭harpsman


    Draw
    Well done Dublin.

    1) Poor enough game and youd think the last 10 mins of pullin and draggin would dampen down some of the sanctiomonious crowing we ve heard about dublin all year but no-i heard paul curran,i think, on the radio goin on about how dublin are a breath of fresh air after last ten years of negativity.
    He musnt have watched too many of tyrones games from 05 and 08 caus they played some of the best football ive seen in croke park,and produced it in finals too.

    2) Mayo remind me of an alcoholic whos in denial about his drinking.
    Unless they accept that their senior teams have a problem performing in all-irelands i dont think they ll ever win one. im fed up listening to their supporters goin on all year about how they "won" the last hour of last years final and how they "were the better team apart from the 'crazy' goals".
    Theyve flopped in 5 finals in a row now and i think theyd be better off accepting that rather than whinging all winter about the ref or dublins cynical fouling in the last ten minutes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,641 ✭✭✭andyman


    So you're two points down with a 20 yard free which the last play of the game and you take a point?

    I'm sorry, but after seeing that yesterday I don't believe Mayo deserved a thing. Taking the point there was accepting defeat.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,146 ✭✭✭StephenHendry


    dissappointing AI final, really expected a better game considering how well both teams were playing this year. i was hoping for a draw as i felt neither
    team deserved giving the amount of mistakes, unforced errors on both sides.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    andyman wrote: »
    So you're two points down with a 20 yard free which the last play of the game and you take a point?

    I'm sorry, but after seeing that yesterday I don't believe Mayo deserved a thing. Taking the point there was accepting defeat.

    I honestly feel when Mayo's chances came in the last few minutes none of them stepped up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,742 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    Bambi wrote: »
    I honestly feel when Mayo's chances came in the last few minutes none of them stepped up.

    I agree. There was a few chances for a shot at a point even in the lead up to the free which if taken would have given them a chance to win the next kick out and score again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    Wat i mean is by their unsportsmanlike fouling, and gavins comments which attempt to justify the charade. Absolutely celebrate no problem. They did just about deserve to win overall but the manner of victory makes it a little hollow.

    And as for other teams doing it absolutely. That behaviour shouldnt happen - end of.

    But this thread is about yesterdays match.

    Where you at the match?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,224 ✭✭✭The_Honeybadger


    32 Mayo frees awarded to Dublins 12. ye got more than your money's worth of whatever chunky envelope that ref got. It was the most bias performance of a ref i have ever seen or will be likely to see. Jim Gavin has a very sportsmanlike approach to every game he played for dublin and team he presides over, he is a very humble, soft spoken and a true gent, he would be the last person to criticise a referee especially after the win but even he is saying that Dublin were playing 16 men out there yesterday.

    http://http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/we-were-playing-the-ref-as-well-as-mayo-jim-gavin-29598711.html

    Dubs have short memories, they got an AI title gift wrapped and handed to them on a silver platter by the same poor ref just two years ago, and any kerryman who had the audacity to mention it was a whinger. Can he not just take the win ffs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,906 ✭✭✭Poor_old_gill


    Wat i mean is by their unsportsmanlike fouling, and gavins comments which attempt to justify the charade. Absolutely celebrate no problem. They did just about deserve to win overall but the manner of victory makes it a little hollow.

    And as for other teams doing it absolutely. That behaviour shouldnt happen - end of.

    But this thread is about yesterdays match.

    I wouldnt call the victory hollow as Dublin deserved to win.
    I did find Gavin's comments to be a bit idiotic though- you cant justify a few rugby tackles by saying lads were frustrated.

    His comment on the amount of frees given to Mayo is something that he will probably regret when he watches the match again.

    To put it simply- you cant tackle with 2 hands- a wrap around tackle, which too many Dublin players doing, is illegal.
    What you're meant to do is get your body in the way to hold up the player and then disposses with 1 hand- to be honest I thought Dublin could have conceded more frees yesterday


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭iDave


    Dublin
    1.5 million tuned in and a 74% share of the TV audience. Terrific stuff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,152 ✭✭✭flanzer


    iDave wrote: »
    1.5 million tuned in and a 74% share of the TV audience. Terrific stuff.

    Wonder does that take into account, multiple people watching one broadcast i.e Big Screens, GAA clubs, Family homes etc? You could probably add a couple 100k to that if so


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    Dublin
    realweirdo wrote: »
    Aren't they bringing in a clock in Croker next year? I wonder will it be stopped for when Cluxton is brought up?

    Only if they stop it for COC as well ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,938 ✭✭✭AdpRo


    Draw
    naughtb4 wrote: »
    Only if they stop it for COC as well ;)

    Sunday Game had a clock on him for the last 2 frees, 40 seconds each, crazy taking that length of time to kick 2 easy frees in injury time when chasing the game, Cluxton didn't even try wasting time for the last kick out, as he had done the whole game he had it placed into a Dublin mans arms before some of the Mayo players even realised the game was back on!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,727 ✭✭✭✭Godge


    Wat i mean is by their unsportsmanlike fouling, and gavins comments which attempt to justify the charade. Absolutely celebrate no problem. They did just about deserve to win overall but the manner of victory makes it a little hollow.

    And as for other teams doing it absolutely. That behaviour shouldnt happen - end of.

    But this thread is about yesterdays match.


    I don't think the victory feels hollow to any Dub. We are all delighted and smiling today.

    You are right, Gavin shouldn't moan about the referee. There was nothing unusual about the free count. It happens in nearly every game involving Dublin. It is no wonder when you read about 31 counties shouting for Mayo/Kerry/Tyrone/Donegal etc. when they play Dublin.

    Dublin teams and players need to be more than a little bit better than other teams to win games.

    If you want to talk about cynicism and yesterday's match, what was amazing was the number of third-man tackles, late tackles and jersey-pulling that went unpunished, mostly because one referee can't keep up with the speed of the game as it was played and his assistants are no help at all. As a hard, strong, physical team, Mayo were probably more guilty of that type of behaviour, especially in the first half.

    In fact, when you see a close game with two evenly matched teams and your team gets the win despite the referee giving such a number of frees against you, it makes the win sweeter rather than hollower.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,024 ✭✭✭✭Utopia Parkway


    Your heart would go out to Mayo, (as a Dub). The level of support from what is a small county population wise, not to mention distance, is a total credit to them,

    In fairness I wouldn't describe Mayo as a small county. Mayo is a huge county (size wise) and is pretty much right in the middle of the 32 counties as far as population goes. Try telling a Leitrim, Rosmommon or Sligo man that Mayo are a small county and they would probably laugh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 553 ✭✭✭stdidit


    andyman wrote: »
    So you're two points down with a 20 yard free which the last play of the game and you take a point?

    I'm sorry, but after seeing that yesterday I don't believe Mayo deserved a thing. Taking the point there was accepting defeat.

    I think you'll find they asked the ref how much time was left before the took the last free and he said 30 seconds which would indicate Mayo would have one last chance to get an equaliser, unfortunately Cillian took too long taking the free and McQuillan counted that as part of the 30 seconds so there was no time left. I can absolutely guarantee you that if Cillian thought that was the last chance, he would most definitely have went for a goal.

    Ridiculous to suggest otherwise


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,442 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    Draw
    In fairness I wouldn't describe Mayo as a small county. Mayo is a huge county (size wise) and is pretty much right in the middle of the 32 counties as far as population goes. Try telling a Leitrim, Rosmommon or Sligo man that Mayo are a small county and they would probably laugh.

    pretty much this, mayo and kerry size and population wise are very close

    we ie roscommon brought 20,000+ down to ennis for an all-ireland minor replay in 2006 on a saturday evening, if we ever got a senior final not a man, woman or child with a bit of roscommon blood would be left in the county :D



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    Dublin
    stdidit wrote: »
    I think you'll find they asked the ref how much time was left before the took the last free and he said 30 seconds which would indicate Mayo would have one last chance to get an equaliser, unfortunately Cillian took too long taking the free and McQuillan counted that as part of the 30 seconds so there was no time left. I can absolutely guarantee you that if Cillian thought that was the last chance, he would most definitely have went for a goal.

    Ridiculous to suggest otherwise

    Also Dublin won the ball from the kickout. If Mayo had won it maybe theyd have played on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    stdidit wrote: »
    I think you'll find they asked the ref how much time was left before the took the last free and he said 30 seconds which would indicate Mayo would have one last chance to get an equaliser, unfortunately Cillian took too long taking the free and McQuillan counted that as part of the 30 seconds so there was no time left. I can absolutely guarantee you that if Cillian thought that was the last chance, he would most definitely have went for a goal.

    Ridiculous to suggest otherwise

    They bottled it.

    Deep into injury time you don't take the point and hope that another scoring chance will show up within less than 30 seconds.

    You don't stand over simple frees for 40 seconds when you've only 2 minutes left

    they didn't have the belief in the end.


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