Premiership Rugby out of Heineken Cup?

ConFurioso · 21-09-2013 12:27PM

I think nobody can say for sure because the full details of the BT deal weren't released. I think there was talk of a 'get of of Europe and focus on the domestic league' clause.

I can speak teh legalz speak.

Winters · 21-09-2013 05:28PM

Phillip Browne on RTE Prime Time
http://www.rte.ie/news/player/2013/0919/20440708-french-and-english-rugby-clubs-threaten-future-of-european-competition/

RTE The Rugby Show with Robert Kitson of The Guardian.
https://soundcloud.com/rtesport/the-rugby-show-19th-september

Michael Corcoran's take on things (with his Ireland Squad announcement)
http://www.rte.ie/sport/player/816/471913/

Second Captain's @ The Irish Times with Chris Hewitt of the London Independent.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/second-captains

Hindsight is a wonderful thing..
http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/europe-counts-cost-of-war-29596693.html

Mannus Lappin's opinion from Emerald Rugby (Great mag if anyone hasnt read it)
http://www.emeraldrugby.com/News/Blogs/Manus/Will-turkeys-vote-for-Christmas-.aspx

Dont like X-Factor? No plans for Saturday night? Check out "The Impact of Professionalism on European Rugby Union"...
http://www.compecon.ie/attachments/File/Rugby_Paper_11018.pdf

irishbucsfan · 21-09-2013 06:11PM

Never heard of the rugby show. Robert Kitson was very good on it.

The Prime Time piece was ridiculous, a shame they couldn't have given a more balanced take on things.

Winters · 22-09-2013 03:02PM

The Rugby Champions Cup. Pathetic.

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience · 22-09-2013 03:04PM

Winters wrote: »

The Rugby Champions Cup. Pathetic.

Notice there's no mention of "Europe" in it.

irishbucsfan · 22-09-2013 03:08PM

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »

Notice there's no mention of "Europe" in it.

Ah yeah, like the Amlin Challenge Cup or the Heineken Cup?

Hagz · 22-09-2013 03:11PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Ah yeah, like the Amlin Challenge Cup or the Heineken Cup?

The Heineken European Cup doesn't have the same ring to it does it?

irishbucsfan · 22-09-2013 03:13PM

Hagz wrote: »

The Heineken European Cup doesn't have the same ring to it does it?

No it doesn't. And they pay good money for a name that sounds good. I'd be very surprised if the naming rights for the new competition weren't sold as well actually.

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience · 22-09-2013 03:14PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Ah yeah, like the Amlin Challenge Cup or the Heineken Cup?

well they don't have sponsorship yet. They picked that name which is why it's interesting that Europe isn't mentioned

irishbucsfan · 22-09-2013 03:19PM

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »

well they don't have sponsorship yet. They picked that name which is why it's interesting that Europe isn't mentioned

I suppose there's the potential of non-European sides joining in future years. But also it may just be two nations, so not very European.

irishbucsfan · 22-09-2013 03:21PM

A Premiership Rugby statement said: "The competition will be based on the principles of qualification on merit."Premier Rugby added the new tournament will have "a strong competition format, equality between the leagues, higher commercial values for the teams and expansion into new European markets".

A statement concluded: "The Top 14 and Premiership Rugby clubs have already confirmed their participation in the new competition and a joint working group has been created to prepare all necessary elements in good time for the 2014-15 season."

A competition founded on the values of equality and fairness looking to move into new European markets. What a truly awful thing.

Howard Juneau · 22-09-2013 03:22PM

Its a done deal, time to jump ship & see if rte will pay for Munsters home games

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience · 22-09-2013 03:51PM

Peter Boyle from the IRFU saying Irish provinces won't join new competition

Tox56 · 22-09-2013 03:55PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

A competition founded on the values of equality and fairness looking to move into new European markets. What a truly awful thing.

Ah here, talk about spin

Howard Juneau · 22-09-2013 03:55PM

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »

Peter Boyle from the IRFU saying Irish provinces won't join new competition

I can see this blowing up big time. Come next season, there won't be a HC.
Can't see sky paying for the Pro 12 league and the...err.......Pro 12 league knockout competition.

irishbucsfan · 22-09-2013 03:59PM

Howard Juneau wrote: »

I can see this blowing up big time. Come next season, there won't be a HC.
Can't see sky paying for the Pro 12 league and the...err.......Pro 12 league knockout competition.

Well the new competition hasn't been approved by the RFU and FFR yet. So it may not come into being. If it eventually exists, I very much doubt it will just be English and French sides in it.

irishbucsfan · 22-09-2013 04:01PM

I think what Premiership Rugby and LNR will be doing between now and October 23rd will be trying to keep releasing info about this new tournament. Then they will come out with the whole "we organised a whole tournament in the time it took you to organise one meeting."

Howard Juneau · 22-09-2013 04:02PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Well the new competition hasn't been approved by the RFU and FFR yet. So it may not come into being. If it eventually exists, I very much doubt it will just be English and French sides in it.

I think its coming to a stage where the clubs will just tell the associations to go & jump.
You will have the clubs running their own competitions & the rugby unions in charge of internationals only.

irishbucsfan · 22-09-2013 04:08PM

Howard Juneau wrote: »

I think its coming to a stage where the clubs will just tell the associations to go & jump.
You will have the clubs running their own competitions & the rugby unions in charge of internationals only.

It won't happen without Union backing. There are a lot of things they are reliant on the Unions for. But the Unions are supporting them quite a bit. Ian Ritchie seemingly wasn't impressed by the long wait before the next ERC meeting.

Things like referees, ground availability, elite squad payments etc. are dependent on RFU backing for the Premiership clubs. I'd be very surprised if they went ahead without the RFU. I'd be a little surprised if they had to though.

Personally I'm happy. At the end of the day, the changes that are needed to be made are going to be made. Whether that's in this new competition or its in the H Cup, it's going to happen. And that's all I wanted.

OldRio · 22-09-2013 04:16PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

A competition founded on the values of equality and fairness looking to move into new European markets. What a truly awful thing.

Well you have lapped up everything the EPL have said to date.
Therefore no suprise.

irishbucsfan · 22-09-2013 04:20PM

OldRio wrote: »

Well you have lapped up everything the EPL have said to date.
Therefore no suprise.

I suppose you can point out the issues then

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience · 22-09-2013 04:22PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

It won't happen without Union backing. There are a lot of things they are reliant on the Unions for. But the Unions are supporting them quite a bit. Ian Ritchie seemingly wasn't impressed by the long wait before the next ERC meeting.

Things like referees, ground availability, elite squad payments etc. are dependent on RFU backing for the Premiership clubs. I'd be very surprised if they went ahead without the RFU. I'd be a little surprised if they had to though.

Personally I'm happy. At the end of the day, the changes that are needed to be made are going to be made. Whether that's in this new competition or its in the H Cup, it's going to happen. And that's all I wanted.

Lots of speculation surrounding plenty of unresolved issues there. I wish I shared your optimism

OldRio · 22-09-2013 04:24PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I suppose you can point out the issues then

218 pages.
Have a read.

Instead read Orwells Animal Farm.

irishbucsfan · 22-09-2013 04:27PM

OldRio wrote: »

218 pages.
Have a read.

Instead read Orwells Animal Farm.

I already have. So you have nothing to add to it, you just felt the need to criticise me? Good stuff.

OldRio · 22-09-2013 04:31PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I already have. So you have nothing to add to it, you just felt the need to criticise me? Good stuff.

Now thats embarrassing.

irishbucsfan · 22-09-2013 04:32PM

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »

Lots of speculation surrounding plenty of unresolved issues there. I wish I shared your optimism

Well I'm confident we'll get reform on qualification and competition structure. Because now the IRFU are coming out saying they're willing to move on that. So even if we remain within the H Cup I think we'll see improvement. So I'm happy with that.

irishbucsfan · 22-09-2013 05:10PM

Quentin Smith on 5 Live said the name of the competition was a case of finding something that wasn't registered by someone else already...

He also said there's strong interest from Unions from within the Pro 12. Which you'd have to assume are not the IRFU.

Didn't hear it myself, just reading BBC

Howard Juneau · 22-09-2013 05:20PM

I can't see the likes of Leinster & Munster sitting idly by as the new tourney involves the English, French, possibly the Welsh & maybe the Scots too.
The IRFU would be seen as Nero fiddling as Rome burned.
If the IRFU don't get onboard quickly, you will see the provinces asking why, and then pushing ahead if the IRFU continue to stall

CatFromHue · 22-09-2013 05:21PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Quentin Smith on 5 Live said the name of the competition was a case of finding something that wasn't registered by someone else already...

He also said there's strong interest from Unions from within the Pro 12. Which you'd have to assume are not the IRFU.

Didn't hear it myself, just reading BBC

Did Mick Dawson, the Leinster CEO, say or imply last week that if there was a new competition that he wanted Leinster in it?

It's a realistic wish as his remit is to Leinster rugby.

Mal-Adjusted · 22-09-2013 05:27PM

Howard Juneau wrote: »

, and then pushing ahead if the IRFU continue to stall

One would think they can't act autonomously from the IRFU?

Premiership Rugby out of Heineken Cup?

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