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Carnage in Nairobi

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  • #62
    Two Tone from Limehouse
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 224 ✭✭Two Tone from Limehouse


    Celly Smunt wrote: »
    Ah yeah,auld trevor down in the pub would surely be the pinnicle of information on socio-politics and religious texts.

    You're making a lot if assumptions there. Don't comment in things you know nothing about just because you want to be seen as a liberal


  • #63
    Celly Smunt
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    Two Tone from Limehouse wrote: »
    You're making a lot if assumptions there. Don't comment in things you know nothing about just because you want to be seen as a liberal

    Id actually class myself as being fairly conservative before liberal or fear mongered.


  • #64
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Two Tone from Limehouse wrote: »
    Yes, but those demanding Sharia Law in our countries are immigrants or the children of immigrants.

    "our countries"? What are those? As far as I know I'm only a citizen of Ireland.

    What has the origin of these people have to do with it...?
    Two Tone from Limehouse wrote: »
    If I went to Saudi and started demanding Western traditions and laws be imposed unknown what would happen.

    What has Saudi to do with anything?


  • #65
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    Nodin wrote: »
    "our countries"? What are those? As far as I know I'm only a citizen of Ireland.

    What has the origin of these people have to do with it...?


    What has Saudi to do with anything?

    It could be their ancestral home.


  • #66
    Celly Smunt
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    Boombastic wrote: »
    It could be their ancestral home.

    I have spanish and french ancestary but I dont think anybody has to worry about an armada or a napolian style invasion hitting them here in ireland.


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  • #67
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Boombastic wrote: »
    It could be their ancestral home.


    I don't think he's suggesting that, somehow.


  • #68
    crockholm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,448 ✭✭✭crockholm


    Nodin wrote: »
    ....tackling extremists without demonising the muslim population......

    Ok,sure. Might be no harm if the muslim population start demonising the extremists though.


  • #69
    Femme_Fatale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    Celly Smunt wrote: »
    Id actually class myself as being fairly conservative before liberal or fear mongered.
    Didn't you get the memo? If you disagree with hatred of all muslims becaus of the extremist element, you're a "liberal".


  • #70
    SeanW
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,056 ✭✭✭✭SeanW


    R.I.P to the poor unfortunates who lost their lives. :(
    Nodin wrote: »
    ....odd you don't pick up the OP's rather low bit of xenophobia "will it happen here eventually?", or take them to task over using a tragedy to further their agenda.
    It is a legitimate question.

    https://u24.gov.ua/
    Join NAFO today:

    Help us in helping Ukraine.



  • #71
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    crockholm wrote: »
    Ok,sure. Might be no harm if the muslim population start demonising the extremists though.


    They do, as has been pointed out before.


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  • #72
    Celly Smunt
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    crockholm wrote: »
    Ok,sure. Might be no harm if the muslim population start demonising the extremists though.
    They do, but that would end the media circus if the media started printing it.


  • #73
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    SeanW wrote: »
    .....
    It is a legitimate question.

    It's the usual agenda pushing bollocks.


  • #74
    Two Tone from Limehouse
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 224 ✭✭Two Tone from Limehouse


    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    Didn't you get the memo? If you disagree with hatred of all muslims becaus of the extremist element, you're a "liberal".

    Who said anything about hating all Muslims? Christ


  • #75
    NuckingFacker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,221 ✭✭✭NuckingFacker


    Nodin wrote: »
    Why would an African group come here and shoot up a supermarket?
    If they ever did decide to, hopefully they pick the square in tallaght..at least there there's a chance someone might be able to shoot back.


  • #76
    Femme_Fatale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    Two Tone from Limehouse wrote: »
    Who said anything about hating all Muslims? Christ
    The actions of the extremists (whom I despise) are used as a stick to beat all muslims with.


  • #77
    Celly Smunt
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    NuckingFacker wrote: »
    If they ever did decide to, hopefully they pick the square in tallaght..at least there there's a chance someone might be able to shoot back.

    Being a patron of tallaght I can assure you they wouldnt stand a chance fighting the Tallaghtban.


  • #78
    crockholm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,448 ✭✭✭crockholm


    Celly Smunt wrote: »
    They do, but that would end the media circus if the media started printing it.
    They did in egypt,and the western media was somewhat ambivilant.

    The people who did this,did it in the name of Islam.Does that not therefore allow criticism of Islam?


  • #79
    Celly Smunt
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    crockholm wrote: »
    They did in egypt,and the western media was somewhat ambivilant.

    The people who did this,did it in the name of Islam.Does that not therefore allow criticism of Islam?

    Would you say everything the IRA did in the name of ireland allows criticism on Ireland and its people?


  • #80
    crockholm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,448 ✭✭✭crockholm


    Celly Smunt wrote: »
    Would you say everything the IRA did in the name of ireland allows criticism on Ireland and its people?

    Yes,of course it should allow criticism.How else could the IRA have survived without the help of Irish people?
    Do you think Islam is irrevelant to the murders in Nairobi?


  • #81
    Femme_Fatale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    crockholm wrote: »
    Yes,of course it should allow criticism.How else could the IRA have survived without the help of Irish people?
    No, the Irish people as a whole should not be blamed for the IRA's campaign of violence. I'm sure you wouldn't like it yourself as an Irish person.
    Do you think Islam is irrevelant to the murders in Nairobi?
    Who said that? Radical islam is of course relevant to these murders, but all muslims are not to blame obviously.


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  • #82
    old_aussie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,409 ✭✭✭old_aussie


    crockholm wrote: »
    They did in egypt,and the western media was somewhat ambivilant.

    The people who did this,did it in the name of Islam.Does that not therefore allow criticism of Islam?

    Only in a country that has a democracy, critisise islam in a country where islam is dominant or trying to be, and you'll soon be "spoken to" by the islamists and in most cases just killed to get you and you opinion out of the way.


  • #83
    crockholm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,448 ✭✭✭crockholm


    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    No, the Irish people as a whole should not be blamed for the IRA's campaign of violence. I'm sure you wouldn't like it yourself as an Irish person.

    Who said that? Radical islam is of course relevant to these murders, but all muslims are not to blame obviously.

    Never said anything about blame,criticism was the word.
    Again,does this allow us to be critical of Islam? Not everyone who is muslim,rather the ideology itself.


  • #84
    Highflyer13
    Closed Accounts Posts: 954 ✭✭✭Highflyer13


    Islamic idealogy a real threat to world peace. No point going all pc about it. I know some muslims and they are really nice people but their idealogy of what they want to be and how they live simply doesn't fit in with how we live and behave in the western world.

    Then you get the fundamentalists coming along with honour killings and acid attacks. You only have to look at the treatment of women in predominantly Islamic countries to see how backwards it is. Religion really screws up people's minds.

    Rip to all in Kenya


  • #85
    Femme_Fatale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    crockholm wrote: »
    Never said anything about blame,criticism was the word.
    Well criticism so. Of course not all Irish people should be criticised in relation to IRA atrocities - that's just bigotry.
    Yes, I have issues with Islamic ideals - no problem admitting it and not living in fear of the "PC" brigade or whatever persecuting me for doing so.


  • #86
    old_aussie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,409 ✭✭✭old_aussie


    Nodin wrote: »
    "our countries"? What are those? As far as I know I'm only a citizen of Ireland.

    Probably referring to civilised western countries


  • #87
    crockholm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,448 ✭✭✭crockholm


    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    Well criticism so. Of course not all Irish people should be criticised in relation to IRA atrocities - that's just bigotry.
    Yes, I have issues with Islamic ideals - no problem admitting it and not living in fear of the "PC" brigade or whatever persecuting me for doing so.

    Yet here we are,talking about Islamophobia on a day when muslims specifically targeted non-muslim civilians,and executed them. Funny how that seems to happen.


  • #88
    Femme_Fatale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    crockholm wrote: »
    Yet here we are,talking about Islamophobia on a day when muslims specifically targeted non-muslim civilians,and executed them. Funny how that seems to happen.
    It happens when people start blaming all muslims for such an attack and claiming there is a danger even from moderate muslims.


  • #89
    steve_wonder
    Site Banned Posts: 16 ✭steve_wonder


    crockholm wrote: »
    Ok,sure. Might be no harm if the muslim population start demonising the extremists though.


    something like 40% of muslims in the uk are in favour of death for apostasy , how high do you think the percentage is in places like Somalia , it isn't a tiny percentage of muslims which have extreme views although it is a tiny percentage who engage in extreme violence , the position which the pc left has taken on political islam is similar to the position they have taken on travellers , they wont admit each group has serious problems and try and potray the problem as being with the white mainstream


  • #90
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    It happens when people start blaming all muslims for such an attack and claiming there is a danger even from moderate muslims.

    Totalitarianism doesn't do moderate.


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  • #91
    Femme_Fatale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    Bambi wrote: »
    Totalitarianism doesn't do moderate.
    Well it's not like a family born into a totalitarian muslim society has a choice, so I'd be more inclined to reserve my ire for the despots ruling over them than such a family.


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