Carnage in Nairobi

Hitchens

terrible scenes of innocent people being massacred in a shopping mall..........why?

because they're not muslims, that seems to be the case anyway.

will it happen here eventually?

Catari Jaguar

Kenya isn't a predominantly Muslim country.. Pockets are like Oldtown in Mombasa. This is terrible if it's true. I found Kenyans to be really gentle and happy as a nation

dan1895

Had lunch in that shopping centre while in Nairobi last year! Have a couple of friends living nearby. Sometimes I just wonder why.

Hitchens

Catari Jaguar wrote: »

Kenya isn't a predominantly Muslim country.. Pockets are like Oldtown in Mombasa. This is terrible if it's true. I found Kenyans to be really gentle and happy as a nation

first reports are that the attack is being carried out by a Somali militant group called al-Shabab

mikom

Hitchens wrote: »

terrible scenes of innocent people being massacred in a shopping mall..........why?

because they're not muslims, that seems to be the case anyway.

will it happen here eventually?

It's Nairobis biggest lingerie section, I understand.

Nabber

Pointless violence has never achieved anything but hatred for the perpetrators.

Hurricane Fly

Sure who cares, they're black.



Banned

IvySlayer

I wonder why the media are avoiding call it a radical Islam attack?

Merkin

I don't think anyone is quite sure who exactly is responsible yet

Oscars Well.

Hurricane Fly wrote: »

Sure who cares, they're black.

What the fuck?

Duff

Hurricane Fly wrote: »

Sure who cares, they're black.

Get the fúck out.

For Forks Sake

Hurricane Fly wrote: »

Sure who cares, they're black.

What the hell is wrong with you?

IvySlayer

Merkin wrote: »

I don't think anyone is quite sure who exactly is responsible yet

Al-Shabaab have said they did it, and anyone who was non-Muslim was shot

bnt

According to new reports, a Somali Islamist group called Al-Shabab has claimed responsibility. The shooters explicitly targeted non-Muslims:

The Economist correspondent in Nairobi, Daniel Howden told the BBC he spoke to one man with a Christian first name but a Muslim-sounding surname who managed to escape the attackers by putting his thumb over his first name on his ID.

However, the man told Mr Howden that an Indian man standing next to him who was asked for the name of the Prophet Muhammad's mother was shot dead when he was unable to answer.

Great advertisement for the "religion of peace"... maybe they think that they'll have peace once they kill all non-Muslims, but given the Shia/Sunni divide, that's not a remote possibility. I would say more, but this is AH.

Hedgemeister

The sad fact is that terrorism, along with its pointless violence works, in the long run.

Duff

IvySlayer wrote: »

Al-Shabaab have said they did it, and anyone who was non-Muslim was shot

That really is insane. I know it happens in a lot of countries including here in the past, but just think about it.. Shot dead because of your religion. It really does test your faith in humanity.

Oscars Well.

Hurricane Fly wrote: »

Sure who cares, they're black.



Banned

IvySlayer wrote: »

Al-Shabaab have said they did it, and anyone who was non-Muslim was shot

Fcuking racists :mad:

IvySlayer

bnt wrote: »

Great advertisement for the "religion of peace"... maybe they think that they'll have peace once they kill all non-Muslims, but given the Shia/Sunni divide, that's not a remote possibility. I would say more, but this is AH.

Radical Islamists hurt Muslims as much as others

99% of Muslims are decent folk. Poverty plus extremism will result in these attacks

IvySlayer

Oscars Well. wrote: »

Fcuking racists :mad:

Al-Shabaab are part of Al-Qaeda, please point to what I sad was racist.

P_1

Disgusting sectarian killings. What's the fcuking point of it?

Oscars Well.

IvySlayer wrote: »

Al-Shabaab are part of Al-Qaeda, please point to what I sad was racist.

Not you, the towel heads


Mod: Banned

Da Shins Kelly

Apparently the attack is in retaliation against atrocities committed by the Kenyan army in Somalia. I don't understand how they think bursting into a public place and shooting dead civilians does any favours for their political point though.

Itwasntme.

A sad and tragic state of affairs .

Warning: some of the photos are graphic in this article from the daily mail.

Hitchens

On its Twitter feed, al-Shabab, which has links to al-Qaeda, said it was behind what it called the "Westgate spectacle"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-24191606

themandan6611

Hurricane Fly wrote: »

Sure who cares, they're black.



Banned

scum bag

Hedgemeister

Imagine if such a scenario played out in this country, armed gang holed up in a shopping centre holding hostages, demanding some unattainable deal from the authorities?

It's not that we haven't the police and military capacity to deal with it, but we've turned into such a nation of softies the terrorists would be knee deep in Fr. Trendy type clergymen, bleeding hearts, and cheerleading anti-rascist supporters before you could say Al Queda!

Hedgemeister

Hedgemeister wrote: »

It's not that we haven't the police and military capacity to deal with it, but we've turned into such a nation of softies the terrorists would be knee deep in Fr. Trendy type clergymen, bleeding hearts, and cheerleading anti-rascist supporters before you could say Al Queda!

You badass.

Dyr

I none of our very own resident islamic extremists were caught up in this while on holiday with the kids

Sam Kade

Posters getting offended by a comment and carry on quoting the be jaysus out of it :rolleyes:

Dyr

IvySlayer wrote: »

Radical Islamists hurt Muslims as much as others

99% of Muslims are decent folk. Poverty plus extremism will result in these attacks

99% per cent of japanese were probably "decent" folk, if you didn't count their mental supremacist beliefs. Firebombing them to f**k softened their cough in that regard

average hero

Deleted User wrote: »

You badass.

Unfortunately he's right though. This was a disgusting event and we have to realize and question why it's not being labelled as a horrible sectarian attack in the Western media as it would be if Christians did this to Muslims (which I don't condone in the least).

We have become so politically correct that we cannot label things for what they are - these animals who did this should be labelled as such and ripped to pieces in the Western media.

bnt

IvySlayer wrote: »

Al-Shabaab are part of Al-Qaeda, please point to what I sad was racist.

Besides, Islam is not a race. It's a religion. You can't change your race, but you can change your religion. So, calling Islam a divisive delusion is not discrimination, because people can escape if they want to.

average hero

average hero wrote: »

Unfortunately he's right though. This was a disgusting event and we have to realize and question why it's not being labelled as a horrible sectarian attack in the Western media as it would be if Christians did this to Muslims (which I don't condone in the least).

We have become so politically correct that we cannot label things for what they are - these animals who did this should be labelled as such and ripped to pieces in the Western media.

Have you been keeping up with East African geopolitics for the last couple of decades?

average hero

Deleted User wrote: »

Have you been keeping up with East African geopolitics for the last couple of decades?

No - but I fail to see how that makes me not supposed to be absolutely revolted by the incident in question.

average hero

average hero wrote: »

No - but I fail to see how that makes me not supposed to be absolutely revolted by the incident in question.

Who's not revolted?

I'm glad it's not just being portrayed as a "Ooh, nasty Muslims don't like Christians" thing. Yet at least. While these conflicts often end up manifesting themselves on a small-scale in sectarian and racist ways, it's generally not the root cause. I'm just very tired of certain people trying to make everything into a "bloody lefties" thing, and I hate lefties. :pac:

As it happens I've noticed things aren't being portrayed a little bit more greyly since the west started supporting those guys in Syria who were apparently the bad guys a decade ago. Funny that.

Nodin

Hitchens wrote: »

terrible scenes of innocent people being massacred in a shopping mall..........why?

because they're not muslims, that seems to be the case anyway.

will it happen here eventually?

Why would an African group come here and shoot up a supermarket?

Nodin

Nodin wrote: »

Why would an African group come here and shoot up a supermarket?

Something about Muslims?

Nodin

Deleted User wrote: »

Something about Muslims?

O I'd imagine so, given the OP's fixation. Doubtless after they've banned pork, stout and craic, they'll take to shooting up the place for amusement. It's what they do, so I'm told.

Lapin

Hedgemeister wrote: »

The sad fact is that terrorism, along with its pointless violence works, in the long run.

You're dead right.


But we still have to fight it.

crockholm

Nodin wrote: »

O I'd imagine so, given the OP's fixation. Doubtless after they've banned pork, stout and craic, they'll take to shooting up the place for amusement. It's what they do, so I'm told.

Innocent people singled out and murdered because they follow the wrong religion,and your fixation is on your perception of another posters proclivities.Champion,nodin,champion.

Nodin

crockholm wrote: »

Innocent people singled out and murdered because they follow the wrong religion,and your fixation is on your perception of another posters proclivities.Champion,nodin,champion.

....odd you don't pick up the OP's rather low bit of xenophobia "will it happen here eventually?", or take them to task over using a tragedy to further their agenda.

crockholm

Nodin wrote: »

....odd you don't pick up the OP's rather low bit of xenophobia "will it happen here eventually?", or take them to task over using a tragedy to further their agenda.

Odd that you said nothing negative about the people who carried out the attack,rather than attack someone who,as far as we know,hasn't murdered anyone on account of their religion.
As for the future ? who knows, bet the poor innocent civilians in Nairobi didn't see anything in the tea leaves either.

crockholm

crockholm wrote: »

As for the future ? who knows, bet the poor innocent civilians in Nairobi didn't see anything in the tea leaves either.

Well Al-Shabaab actually did say they were going to carry out attacks further into Kenya.

Nodin

crockholm wrote: »

Odd that you said nothing negative about the people who carried out the attack,rather than attack someone who,as far as we know,hasn't murdered anyone on account of their religion.
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...well, we can only hope that fear mongering doesn't lead to anything like that here.

woodoo

This ideology is sick. It is doomed to fail as most people are decent and will never support murdering innocent people.

Celly Smunt

woodoo wrote: »

This ideology is sick. It is doomed to fail as most people are decent and will never support murdering innocent people.

Ideology as in islam as a whole or as in extreme religious groups as a whole?

woodoo

Celly Smunt wrote: »

Ideology as in islam as a whole or as in extreme religious groups as a whole?

I don't agree with the teachings of Islam but i am referring here to the extremists.

Two Tone from Limehouse

Nodin wrote: »

O I'd imagine so, given the OP's fixation. Doubtless after they've banned pork, stout and craic, they'll take to shooting up the place for amusement. It's what they do, so I'm told.

Well a lot if them are already demanding Sharia Law in parts of UK

Celly Smunt

Two Tone from Limehouse wrote: »

Well a lot if them are already demanding Sharia Law in parts of UK

People in ireland are looking for a 32 county republic, they're not getting it though what makes you think thats any different?

Daily mail sensationalist bullcrap.

Nodin

Two Tone from Limehouse wrote: »

Well a lot if them are already demanding Sharia Law in parts of UK

...I'm sure some of them are. There are also people who want to bring back hanging, ban condoms and ban all porn. I'd say they've a better chance than the Sharia lot.

crockholm

Nodin wrote: »

...well, we can only hope that fear mongering doesn't lead to anything like that here.

Can we shorten it to just hoping that it won't happen here?