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Carnage in Nairobi

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  • #32
    bnt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,244 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    IvySlayer wrote: »
    Al-Shabaab are part of Al-Qaeda, please point to what I sad was racist.
    Besides, Islam is not a race. It's a religion. You can't change your race, but you can change your religion. So, calling Islam a divisive delusion is not discrimination, because people can escape if they want to.

    Government resting upon the will and universal suffrage of the people has no anchorage except in the people's intelligence.

    — Grover Cleveland



  • #33
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    average hero wrote: »
    Unfortunately he's right though. This was a disgusting event and we have to realize and question why it's not being labelled as a horrible sectarian attack in the Western media as it would be if Christians did this to Muslims (which I don't condone in the least).

    We have become so politically correct that we cannot label things for what they are - these animals who did this should be labelled as such and ripped to pieces in the Western media.

    Have you been keeping up with East African geopolitics for the last couple of decades?


  • #34
    average hero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 433 ✭✭average hero


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Have you been keeping up with East African geopolitics for the last couple of decades?

    No - but I fail to see how that makes me not supposed to be absolutely revolted by the incident in question.


  • #35
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    average hero wrote: »
    No - but I fail to see how that makes me not supposed to be absolutely revolted by the incident in question.

    Who's not revolted?

    I'm glad it's not just being portrayed as a "Ooh, nasty Muslims don't like Christians" thing. Yet at least. While these conflicts often end up manifesting themselves on a small-scale in sectarian and racist ways, it's generally not the root cause. I'm just very tired of certain people trying to make everything into a "bloody lefties" thing, and I hate lefties. :pac:

    As it happens I've noticed things aren't being portrayed a little bit more greyly since the west started supporting those guys in Syria who were apparently the bad guys a decade ago. Funny that.


  • #36
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Hitchens wrote: »
    terrible scenes of innocent people being massacred in a shopping mall..........why?

    because they're not muslims, that seems to be the case anyway.

    will it happen here eventually?


    Why would an African group come here and shoot up a supermarket?


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  • #37
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Nodin wrote: »
    Why would an African group come here and shoot up a supermarket?

    Something about Muslims?


  • #38
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Something about Muslims?


    O I'd imagine so, given the OP's fixation. Doubtless after they've banned pork, stout and craic, they'll take to shooting up the place for amusement. It's what they do, so I'm told.


  • #39
    Lapin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,183 ✭✭✭✭Lapin


    Hedgemeister wrote: »
    The sad fact is that terrorism, along with its pointless violence works, in the long run.

    You're dead right.


    But we still have to fight it.


  • #40
    crockholm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,448 ✭✭✭crockholm


    Nodin wrote: »
    O I'd imagine so, given the OP's fixation. Doubtless after they've banned pork, stout and craic, they'll take to shooting up the place for amusement. It's what they do, so I'm told.

    Innocent people singled out and murdered because they follow the wrong religion,and your fixation is on your perception of another posters proclivities.Champion,nodin,champion.


  • #41
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    crockholm wrote: »
    Innocent people singled out and murdered because they follow the wrong religion,and your fixation is on your perception of another posters proclivities.Champion,nodin,champion.


    ....odd you don't pick up the OP's rather low bit of xenophobia "will it happen here eventually?", or take them to task over using a tragedy to further their agenda.


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  • #42
    crockholm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,448 ✭✭✭crockholm


    Nodin wrote: »
    ....odd you don't pick up the OP's rather low bit of xenophobia "will it happen here eventually?", or take them to task over using a tragedy to further their agenda.
    Odd that you said nothing negative about the people who carried out the attack,rather than attack someone who,as far as we know,hasn't murdered anyone on account of their religion.
    As for the future ? who knows, bet the poor innocent civilians in Nairobi didn't see anything in the tea leaves either.


  • #43
    [Deleted User]
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    crockholm wrote: »
    As for the future ? who knows, bet the poor innocent civilians in Nairobi didn't see anything in the tea leaves either.

    Well Al-Shabaab actually did say they were going to carry out attacks further into Kenya.


  • #44
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    crockholm wrote: »
    Odd that you said nothing negative about the people who carried out the attack,rather than attack someone who,as far as we know,hasn't murdered anyone on account of their religion.
    .

    ...well, we can only hope that fear mongering doesn't lead to anything like that here.


  • #45
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    This ideology is sick. It is doomed to fail as most people are decent and will never support murdering innocent people.


  • #46
    Celly Smunt
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    woodoo wrote: »
    This ideology is sick. It is doomed to fail as most people are decent and will never support murdering innocent people.

    Ideology as in islam as a whole or as in extreme religious groups as a whole?


  • #47
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    Celly Smunt wrote: »
    Ideology as in islam as a whole or as in extreme religious groups as a whole?

    I don't agree with the teachings of Islam but i am referring here to the extremists.


  • #48
    Two Tone from Limehouse
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 224 ✭✭Two Tone from Limehouse


    Nodin wrote: »
    O I'd imagine so, given the OP's fixation. Doubtless after they've banned pork, stout and craic, they'll take to shooting up the place for amusement. It's what they do, so I'm told.

    Well a lot if them are already demanding Sharia Law in parts of UK


  • #49
    Celly Smunt
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    Two Tone from Limehouse wrote: »
    Well a lot if them are already demanding Sharia Law in parts of UK

    People in ireland are looking for a 32 county republic, they're not getting it though what makes you think thats any different?

    Daily mail sensationalist bullcrap.


  • #50
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Two Tone from Limehouse wrote: »
    Well a lot if them are already demanding Sharia Law in parts of UK


    ...I'm sure some of them are. There are also people who want to bring back hanging, ban condoms and ban all porn. I'd say they've a better chance than the Sharia lot.


  • #51
    crockholm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,448 ✭✭✭crockholm


    Nodin wrote: »
    ...well, we can only hope that fear mongering doesn't lead to anything like that here.

    Can we shorten it to just hoping that it won't happen here?


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  • #52
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    crockholm wrote: »
    Can we shorten it to just hoping that it won't happen here?


    No, I think that the danger of extremism should be countered with the danger of demonisation borne in mind.


  • #53
    wendell borton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,335 ✭✭✭wendell borton


    While we don't have to look to far to find senseless sectarian violence the mujahadeen's logic seems to be on whole different level of crazy.
    Their aim seems to be to bring society back to a vindictive feudal state ruled by fear and superstition.


  • #54
    Two Tone from Limehouse
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 224 ✭✭Two Tone from Limehouse


    Celly Smunt wrote: »
    People in ireland are looking for a 32 county republic, they're not getting it though what makes you think thats any different?

    Daily mail sensationalist bullcrap.

    I don't read the Daily Mail. I just listen to the stories of people from where I grew up. So get your facts right.


  • #55
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    wendell borton wrote: »
    While we don't have to look to far to find senseless sectarian violence the mujahadeen's logic seems to be on whole different level of crazy.
    Their aim seems to be to bring society back to a vindictive feudal state ruled by fear and superstition.


    ....not far off. Some idealised caliphate that never actually existed. Never happen.


  • #56
    Celly Smunt
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    Two Tone from Limehouse wrote: »
    I don't read the Daily Mail. I just listen to the stories of people from where I grew up. So get your facts right.

    Ah yeah,auld trevor down in the pub would surely be the pinnicle of information on socio-politics and religious texts.


  • #57
    crockholm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,448 ✭✭✭crockholm


    Nodin wrote: »
    No, I think that the danger of extremism should be countered with the danger of demonisation borne in mind.

    Pardon ?


  • #58
    redtapestyl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 93 ✭✭redtapestyl


    To the poster who said who cares they're only black, there is clearly white victims in the scenes of the aftermath so don't know where you're getting that from.


  • #59
    Two Tone from Limehouse
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 224 ✭✭Two Tone from Limehouse


    Nodin wrote: »
    ...I'm sure some of them are. There are also people who want to bring back hanging, ban condoms and ban all porn. I'd say they've a better chance than the Sharia lot.

    Yes, but those demanding Sharia Law in our countries are immigrants or the children of immigrants. If I went to Saudi and started demanding Western traditions and laws be imposed unknown what would happen. There is no point arguing with you though because you'll keep nitpicking


  • #60
    Celly Smunt
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    Two Tone from Limehouse wrote: »
    Yes, but those demanding Sharia Law in our countries are immigrants or the children of immigrants. If I went to Saudi and started demanding Western traditions and laws be imposed unknown what would happen. There is no point arguing with you though because you'll keep nitpicking
    TBH I cant think of a country in Europe that has reputable sources indicating that is a known problem of citizens damanding sharia.


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  • #61
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    crockholm wrote: »
    Pardon ?

    ....tackling extremists without demonising the muslim population......


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