Skeleton remains found in Rathfarnham

r3nu4l · 14-09-2013 10:03PM

Muise... wrote: »

I think he would be in his early 40s now.

I'd say everyone thought he'd just gone to a friend's house or off for a wander after school. Then as the waiting went on and on, it became big news.

Philip would be (is?) 40 this year, in October. There's a good Wikipedia article about him here

He was less than two years older than me and I remember it being on the news day in day out and being horrified that someone pretty much like me could just disappear and nobody could know where he went

Funnily enough, over the years I've never forgotten his name and he often comes into my head (at least 4 times a year), even though I never knew him. Goes to show the effect his disappearance had on me.

As a parent now myself I cannot image the horror I would feel if my daughter left home one day and never came back.

I hope that whatever family this body belongs to finds some closure, if not any peace.

Allyall · 14-09-2013 10:09PM

r3nu4l wrote: »

Philip would be (is?) 40 this year, in October. There's a good Wikipedia article about him here

He was less than two years older than me and I remember it being on the news day in day out and being horrified that someone pretty much like me could just disappear and nobody could know where he went

Funnily enough, over the years I've never forgotten his name and he often comes into my head (at least 4 times a year), even though I never knew him. Goes to show the effect his disappearance had on me.

As a parent now myself I cannot image the horror I would feel if my daughter left home one day and never came back.

I hope that whatever family this body belongs to finds some closure, if not any peace.

Just reading the Wiki, The only suspect can never be tried because of lack of evidence.

That's mad. I wonder would the Parents know who the suspect is.
Worse, do they not know, but know the suspect and interact with them.

Christ, i'm getting a bit morbid here..

EDIT.

Mad. His family reckon it was somebody they knew, and his schoolbag?? :eek: That's scary.

Wibbs · 14-09-2013 10:14PM

Same here R. I grew up near to the area and most of my mates were from there. About my closest mate(still) lived only a few doors up from his family and knew them to see, so even though I was a seven odd years older, the place names in the news really hit home, as they were places my mates and me knew so well. Where his bag was found(in odd circumstances) I would have gone down on a regular basis. The thought that it could have been any one of us. The thought that it was "one of us" to another group. Like you it still lingers with me down to this very day.

KKkitty · 14-09-2013 10:15PM

Really and truly hope a family gets closure over this. Why can't whoever had something to do with all those disappearances years ago do the right thing and say where the bodies are

Spanish Eyes · 14-09-2013 10:15PM

They haven't found one of the Moors Murders victims after tons of years either.

So I'd reckon a lot of missing persons as result of gangland for example are up there, along with other missing persons too.

Jeez, it's such a lovely place too, weird. But you can see how it's the perfect place for disposing of a body.

I think Love Hate had a scene up there too.

Vicar in a tutu · 14-09-2013 10:19PM

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Mad. His family reckon it was somebody they knew, and his schoolbag?? :eek: That's scary.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I was just reading about him recently, apparently he was close to outing someone that had been abusing him

Allyall · 14-09-2013 10:21PM

Vicar in a tutu wrote: »

Yeah I was just reading about him recently, apparently he was close to outing someone that had been abusing him

WHAT? :eek:

How close? Had he said it was happening and not named them? Or had he implied something was going on?

Jaysis..

Vicar in a tutu · 14-09-2013 10:22PM

Allyall wrote: »

WHAT? :eek:

How close? Had he said it was happening and not named them? Or had he implied something was going on?

Jaysis..

http://http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/philip-cairns-was-killed-to-protect-his-sex-abuser-26245411.html

Nodin · 14-09-2013 10:23PM

tayto lover wrote: »

God knows how many bodies are hidden in the Dublin Mountains. I often wonder if there is any new equipment which could locate these bodies and why the Gardai do not mount a detailed search of the mountains to locate some of them.

It would help end the pain for some of their families.

....theres a few yokes - an emissions detector sort of thing for instance - but they're for pinpointing, not a general search afaik. Nor do they work after the body is decomposed. The kind of search you're proposing is unfortunately unfeasible.

NuckingFacker · 14-09-2013 10:24PM

Love2love wrote: »

According to the radio, speculation is that its Annie McCarricks. It's female, it's in the vanishing triangle and near to Johnny Foxes pub where she was last seen. They don't know if its there that long though.

I do hope it's one of the missing girls. Her family can finally get some closure.

Here's a dopey question - wtf is the vanishing triangle?? sounds ominous..

tayto lover · 14-09-2013 10:26PM

Nodin wrote: »

....theres a few yokes - an emissions detector sort of thing for instance - but they're for pinpointing, not a general search afaik. Nor do they work after the body is decomposed. The kind of search you're proposing is unfortunately unfeasible.

They could/should bring in some of those Cadaver dogs. They are brilliant at locating bodies. Even if they only searched 100 metres each side of forest roads they might locate a body or two.

L1011 · 14-09-2013 10:26PM

NuckingFacker wrote: »

Here's a dopey question - wtf is the vanishing triangle?? sounds ominous..

An area where a large (for Ireland) number of mostly young women went missing in the 1990s. It stopped after Larry Murphy was caught but it is possible there was other people involved who took that as a good time to get out.

cruais · 14-09-2013 10:28PM

It's scary alright. As a person who has a family member missing for a number of years...it scares the absolute hell out of me when I hear of these discoveries on the news. However, it would finally bring years of hell to closure if we were to get news on this family member.

I truly wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

Wattle · 14-09-2013 10:29PM

KKkitty wrote: »

Really and truly hope a family gets closure over this. Why can't whoever had something to do with all those disappearances years ago do the right thing and say where the bodies are

Because they were most likely psychopathic and wouldn't be troubled by feelings of empathy or remorse.

Spanish Eyes · 14-09-2013 10:30PM

Vicar in a tutu wrote: »

http://http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/philip-cairns-was-killed-to-protect-his-sex-abuser-26245411.html

Can't open link, could you repost, thanks.

Muise... · 14-09-2013 10:30PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Same here R. I grew up near to the area and most of my mates were from there. About my closest mate(still) lived only a few doors up from his family and knew them to see, so even though I was a seven odd years older, the place names in the news really hit home, as they were places my mates and me knew so well. Where his bag was found(in odd circumstances) I would have gone down on a regular basis. The thought that it could have been any one of us. The thought that it was "one of us" to another group. Like you it still lingers with me down to this very day.

I think that's why a whole generation remembers him so vividly. I wasn't afraid that it could have been me so much as shocked that "one of us" was taken.

Just remembered too that a classmate asked if we could include Philip and his family in our morning prayers. The teacher agreed. Next year we all went off to secondary school, so that disrupted the prayers and the news story faded away. I've never been a believer, but all those prayers are still hanging in the air. And that's why we remember.

Vicar in a tutu · 14-09-2013 10:30PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Can't open link, could you repost, thanks.

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/philip-cairns-was-killed-to-protect-his-sex-abuser-26245411.html

This should work now!

Allyall · 14-09-2013 10:31PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Can't open link, could you repost, thanks.

It's just http:// twice. Remove one.

Nodin · 14-09-2013 10:36PM

tayto lover wrote: »

They could/should bring in some of those Cadaver dogs. They are brilliant at locating bodies. Even if they only searched 100 metres each side of forest roads they might locate a body or two.

True.

Spanish Eyes · 14-09-2013 10:37PM

Vicar in a tutu wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/philip-cairns-was-killed-to-protect-his-sex-abuser-26245411.html

This should work now!

Thanks for link. That is one weird and very sad story there. I think the family and many others know, or suspect strongly what happened.

But them were the days. Such things didn't happen back then. At all...

Ash.J.Williams · 14-09-2013 10:37PM

MYOB wrote: »

The mountains are far too big to do a complete check on. A body buried even in a shallow grave a few years ago would be completely undetectable from the air and extremely hard to find from a search.

I wonder how bigger countries would handle a "small" area like wicklow, knowing there are many bodies and clues to a potential serial killer or two there.

KKkitty · 14-09-2013 10:37PM

Wattle wrote: »

Because they were most likely psychopathic and wouldn't be troubled by feelings of empathy or remorse.

They are the lowest of the low. Can't understand people at all.

handlemaster · 14-09-2013 10:37PM

Vicar in a tutu wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/philip-cairns-was-killed-to-protect-his-sex-abuser-26245411.html

This should work now!

Thats pretty detailed info there. sad to say but they didnt stop there... hkw many more have suffered since

Ash.J.Williams · 14-09-2013 10:38PM

MYOB wrote: »

The mountains are far too big to do a complete check on. A body buried even in a shallow grave a few years ago would be completely undetectable from the air and extremely hard to find from a search.

I wonder how bigger countries would handle a "small" area like wicklow, knowing there are many bodies and clues to a potential serial killer or two there. As Steve Hughes says "there are Australians that could mow Ireland.

L1011 · 14-09-2013 10:40PM

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

I wonder how bigger countries would handle a "small" area like wicklow, knowing there are many bodies and clues to a potential serial killer or two there. As Steve Hughes says "there are Australians that could mow Ireland.

Probably worse than here - as the Guards have experience in looking for paramilitary victims that other countries don't. Also, its not like Australia has a fantastic record for finding bodies and hence preventing serial killers in the first place - anything but in fact.

Australia has bushland, this is a set of extremely rocky hills.

Spanish Eyes · 14-09-2013 10:41PM

tayto lover wrote: »

They could/should bring in some of those Cadaver dogs. They are brilliant at locating bodies. Even if they only searched 100 metres each side of forest roads they might locate a body or two.

Well I'll probably be banned now.....

But the M Mc Cann case had cadaver dogs who detected cadaverine presence, but it was disregarded AFAIR.

Maybe because there was neither body nor remains.

I dunno.

strandroad · 14-09-2013 10:43PM

How they can be so sure as to start throwing a particular name around? Am I correct in thinking that it's just some code speak for "we have found something that tells us it's her but we need to wait to the results to name her"? You know, such as "the men were known to the gardai" (= gangland killing) or "no other enquiries are made with regard to this case" (= a suicide or a domestic).

Allyall · 14-09-2013 10:44PM

I wonder did the dog in the OP smell something, or had something disturbed it recently, or creepier, if the body was murdered, was the murderer back there checking on it after all these years, and the dog interrupted them.

Twilight Zone Scriptwriters/directors, i'm here for the night if you need help..

Micilin Muc · 14-09-2013 10:48PM

mhge wrote: »

How they can be so sure as to start throwing a particular name around? Am I correct in thinking that it's just some code speak for "we have found something that tells us it's her but we need to wait to the results to name her"? You know, such as "the men were known to the gardai" (= gangland killing) or "no other enquiries are made with regard to this case" (= a suicide or a domestic).

"Skeletal remains found just 9km where Annie McCarrick was last seen" is the headline on Independent site.

9km is a long way, considering how close Kilakee Mountain is to the suburbs.

downonthefarm · 14-09-2013 10:48PM

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Jaysus. First person I thought of was Philip Cairns.

omg me too thats so creepy:eek:

Skeleton remains found in Rathfarnham

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