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9/11 anniversary, where were you when it happened and was it a conspiracy?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,390 ✭✭✭clairefontaine


    MadsL wrote: »
    Fuck. Do I need an alibi for all of those? I want my lawyer.

    I thought you wre going to say if only FDNY carried guns or the people in the towers had personal weapons.:pac:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 125 ✭✭wishwashwoo


    I was in a fish n chip shop in Bangor n ireland . I was working in a nite club the boom boom rooms at the time i was sent up from dublin to replace parts in equipment . I thought it was a movie being made or something i know crazy thinking ..... R.I.P .... It has changed the world


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭Sunglasses Ron


    MonaPizza wrote: »
    Where were you when.....

    A tsunami washed away 250,000 people in Thailand and Bangladesh and Indonesia?
    Another tsunami washed away 15,000 people in Japan?
    An assault on Fallujah killed 40,000 Iraqis?
    Any other day in Afghanistan ...who knows how many?
    Brevick slaughtered a load of kids?
    7/7?
    Saudi tanks moved into Bahrain and destroyed anyone who wanted to say something?

    Diana died?

    All tragic but natural disasters, gun massacres and battles in faraway wars happen all the time, and unless they happen to our own country or the UK we quite rightly don't take as much notice. I hate people who make points like this, as if you actually recall or care which particular towns in Iraq were bombed precisely 12 days ago. Do you think the average Iraqi recalls where they were the day of the Omagh bombing? The average Londoner has forgotten by now, it is only natural. Two of the world's most recognisable buildings in the best known city on the planet being not merely bombed but taken out in such an unpredictable manner is, quite frankly, a million times more shocking than a natural disaster in an earthquake zone. Its not some yank loving thing either- Hurricane Katrina was shocking, but as shocking as 9/11? How is a hurricane in a region that gets regularly battered by them shocking?

    Utterly moronic post.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭Sunglasses Ron


    Genuine question here- for all the talk of airport security, how much vetting is done of pilots cleared to fly into major US cities? In theory it would not be an impossible scenario for a plant/ someone who had been turned working for an airline from one of the usual suspect nations to knock out his co pilot and change route from JFK to Manhattan. In fact it somewhat happened before when an Egyptian pilot flying off New York most likely deliberately crashed his jet into the sea whilst reciting a prayer. AQ would have little moral problem with sacrificing a plane full of mainly muslim civilians. As far as I recall jets only patrol the New York skyline at times of high alert, so what measures do they have? Or even what measures do they have to mentally vet US pilots?


  • Posts: 26,920 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This is like a fun little memory puzzle for me.

    A tsunami washed away 250,000 people in Thailand and Bangladesh and Indonesia?
    It was Stephen's Day, wasn't it? My family had rented out some cabins in County Galway, which had no access to TV or radio, so we didn't hear about it the next day.

    Another tsunami washed away 15,000 people in Japan?
    I was in my rented accommodation and was watching it in my then-housemate's bedroom, both being shocked by what was happening on-screen.

    An assault on Fallujah killed 40,000 Iraqis?
    Don't know what day that was, so can't tell you.

    Any other day in Afghanistan ...who knows how many?
    Dunno, but do you know the answer without looking it up on the news or on Google.

    Brevick slaughtered a load of kids?
    Oh, this I know. I was at remember this one, I was at my family home and was amazed to hear there had been a bombing there, then in complete shock when I read about what it had lead to.

    7/7?
    At my family home again. One of the first things I did is text a then-friend of mine who was living in London at the time, just to make sure they were OK.

    Saudi tanks moved into Bahrain and destroyed anyone who wanted to say something?
    Dunno when that happened. But probably in bed?

    Diana died?
    Don't know, but I remember going to the shop when her funeral was on and being annoyed by how much coverage it was getting across loads of channels. I was young and wanted to watch cartoons.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,305 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    I suppose for the conspiracy theorists 9/11 seems a bit too convenient but as the oft quoted political quote from Harold MacMillan goes "events, dear boy, events". Kind of reminds me of the Falklands war and Maggie, both leaders were very unpopular, probably would have lost elections and wars saved them.

    You'd the Hawks vs. the Doves both times, militant gung-ho politicians with political careers and reputations at stake, some stood to make huge financial fortunes as well.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,848 ✭✭✭knucklehead6


    Robbing Boney's post.

    A tsunami washed away 250,000 people in Thailand and Bangladesh and Indonesia?
    It was Stephen's Day, wasn't it? My family had rented out some cabins in County Galway, which had no access to TV or radio, so we didn't hear about it the next day. At home with the folks, trying to get through to my brother who was christmasing in Indonesia. Got hold of him the next day

    Another tsunami washed away 15,000 people in Japan?
    I was in my rented accommodation and was watching it in my then-housemate's bedroom, both being shocked by what was happening on-screen.
    At work. I rang my dad to find out where in SE asia the brother was at that time. He was in N.Z.

    An assault on Fallujah killed 40,000 Iraqis?
    Don't know what day that was, so can't tell you. your figures are waaaaaaaaaay off

    Estimates of Civilians killed vary from 1400 killed in both battles to 2000.
    FWIW, I would have been at work for both battles.

    Any other day in Afghanistan ...who knows how many?
    Dunno, but do you know the answer without looking it up on the news or on Google.

    Brevick slaughtered a load of kids?
    Oh, this I know. I was at remember this one, I was at my family home and was amazed to hear there had been a bombing there, then in complete shock when I read about what it had lead to.

    At work, trying to follow it on Sky news.

    7/7?
    At my family home again. One of the first things I did is text a then-friend of mine who was living in London at the time, just to make sure they were OK.

    At work, but sent a cousin who lived in London at the time an FB message hoping he was ok. His reply was an almost carbon copy of a mail from a cousin on the other side of the family after the American Airlines jet crashed in Queens in November 2001. "London (Queens) is a big place, I'm fine but thanks for the concern"

    Saudi tanks moved into Bahrain and destroyed anyone who wanted to say something?
    Dunno when that happened. But probably in bed? Dunno that one. When was it?

    Diana died?
    Don't know, but I remember going to the shop when her funeral was on and being annoyed by how much coverage it was getting across loads of channels. I was young and wanted to watch cartoons.
    At work, it was a sunday morning and i got shot down by the hot girl who worked in the newsagents i used stop into on the way to work. There was always a bit of flirting going on but when i suggested a drink she sad no.... ah well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,758 ✭✭✭Laois_Man


    yer man who put this up in Louisiana will probably get about 160 years in jail for vandalism

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/09/12/article-0-1BC4F3AF000005DC-526_634x846.jpg


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭Sunglasses Ron


    Mr.S wrote: »
    Apart from 7/7 and Diana (which most people remember and have an opinion on) the rest are either natural disasters in far away places or the results of a on going War / conflict.

    Not exactly the same as a terrorist attack involving hijacked planes in the most powerful country in the world :rolleyes: so ofcourse people are going to talk about 9/11 more then a tsunami

    You always get some clown bringing up a point like that. "Oh blah blah blah about Madeleine McCann, you don't hear about 20,000 kids dying of disease in Africa today". Because clearly this type of person spends each and every second of their day thinking and crying about the dead of Africa. Do they ****. I can 1000% guarantee you there were likely more South Africans, black and white who, if they owned a TV, were more interested, tuned in and horrified than they were about the nearly three figure amounts of people who died from crime or car accidents in their own country on that day. In fact with the entire world glued to the TV all night I wonder was there a fall in the murder and car death rate there from 2pm onwards. If the N Ireland violence had still been on there would have been more public revulsion that day about 9/11 than if another standard person dies in gun attack incident had occurred the same day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 349 ✭✭apollo8


    Asshole mod(s) who locked the two 9/11 threads as a result the boards archive for this piece of history is ruined:mad:
    Not even a mod note to say why they were locked:mad:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭SantryRed


    MonaPizza wrote: »
    Where were you when.....

    A tsunami washed away 250,000 people in Thailand and Bangladesh and Indonesia?
    Another tsunami washed away 15,000 people in Japan?
    An assault on Fallujah killed 40,000 Iraqis?
    Any other day in Afghanistan ...who knows how many?
    Brevick slaughtered a load of kids?
    7/7?
    Saudi tanks moved into Bahrain and destroyed anyone who wanted to say something?

    Diana died?

    Brilliant,

    I'm sure you're one of these:

    WHY ARE PEOPLE ONLY BOTHERED ABOUT DEATHS IN AMERICA? 1000s OF PEOPLE DIE EVERY DAY IN *insert random country here*


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭Sunglasses Ron


    apollo8 wrote: »
    Asshole mod(s) who locked the two 9/11 threads as a result the boards archive for this piece of history is ruined:mad:
    Not even a mod note to say why they were locked:mad:

    Possibly afraid of legal action if people blamed Bin Laden before a trial took place :)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭Sunglasses Ron


    SantryRed wrote: »
    Brilliant,

    I'm sure you're one of these:

    WHY ARE PEOPLE ONLY BOTHERED ABOUT DEATHS IN AMERICA? 1000s OF PEOPLE DIE EVERY DAY IN *insert random country here*

    They could no more give a ****e. I now recall the same nonsense on an FB status comparing the three dead and wall to wall coverage in the Boston bombing to the 30 or whatever in Iraq that day. The Iraqi news would have featured the Boston attack more prominent than their own that day. If a gun massacre in the US kills 30 people it will occupy more Irish page space than a small time dealer gunned down in Clondalkin the same night. If these people are so puzzled by it they should refrain from the American films and TV shows they no doubt watch.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,923 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    They could no more give a ****e. I now recall the same nonsense on an FB status comparing the three dead and wall to wall coverage in the Boston bombing to the 30 or whatever in Iraq that day. The Iraqi news would have featured the Boston attack more prominent than their own that day. If a gun massacre in the US kills 30 people it will occupy more Irish page space than a small time dealer gunned down in Clondalkin the same night. If these people are so puzzled by it they should refrain from the American films and TV shows they no doubt watch.

    It's pretty straightforward - one is a common occurrence, the other is not. People pay more attention to uncommon occurrences, it sells more newspapers, it gets more people tuning in. So they focus on that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    apollo8 wrote: »
    Asshole mod(s) who locked the two 9/11 threads as a result the boards archive for this piece of history is ruined:mad:
    Not even a mod note to say why they were locked:mad:

    In fairness, there's only so much historical value in a stream of shock and curses.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,473 ✭✭✭Wacker The Attacker


    They could no more give a ****e. I now recall the same nonsense on an FB status comparing the three dead and wall to wall coverage in the Boston bombing to the 30 or whatever in Iraq that day. The Iraqi news would have featured the Boston attack more prominent than their own that day. If a gun massacre in the US kills 30 people it will occupy more Irish page space than a small time dealer gunned down in Clondalkin the same night. If these people are so puzzled by it they should refrain from the American films and TV shows they no doubt watch.


    So you're suggesting they should refrain from a form of entertainment because of the way certain news stories are reported?

    Why on earth would you suggest this?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,014 ✭✭✭MonaPizza


    aaabbbb wrote: »
    I was 8 and in third class. I distinctly remember coming home from school , lying down on the sitting room floor with the tv on front of me and doing the "Today's/My news" portion of my homework on one of those special handwriting manuscript copies. I was learning how to do joint up writing in school and hadn't quite mastered how to do so yet so it was taking me ages to write down what was happening on the tv screen. I also remember my Dad who has now passed away standing over me explaining what the twin towers were and what was going on. I recognised even at that young age that what I was watching was quite significant, a part of history and was quite grievous and moving. I was fascinated by the whole thing really.

    So then you would probably never remember getting on a plane without having to take off your shoes and belt and also being allowed to bring a bottle of cola with you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,014 ✭✭✭MonaPizza


    I thought you wre going to say if only FDNY carried guns or the people in the towers had personal weapons.:pac:

    :pac: or if only every skyscraper was equipped with an anti-aircraft battery and crew, then this could have been prevented.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,014 ✭✭✭MonaPizza


    Genuine question here- for all the talk of airport security, how much vetting is done of pilots cleared to fly into major US cities? In theory it would not be an impossible scenario for a plant/ someone who had been turned working for an airline from one of the usual suspect nations to knock out his co pilot and change route from JFK to Manhattan. In fact it somewhat happened before when an Egyptian pilot flying off New York most likely deliberately crashed his jet into the sea whilst reciting a prayer. AQ would have little moral problem with sacrificing a plane full of mainly muslim civilians. As far as I recall jets only patrol the New York skyline at times of high alert, so what measures do they have? Or even what measures do they have to mentally vet US pilots?

    I think that the Egyptian Airliner lost power/control due to external communication signalling fcuking up its instrumentation. The terrified pilot was most likely reciting his last prayers as he plunged to his death.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,858 ✭✭✭weisses


    Should we consider a box cutter a weapon of mass destruction ? ... it started with that resulting in Hundreds of thousands of people losing their lives


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,259 ✭✭✭mutley18


    Anyone on here who uses Netflix should watch Zeitgeist, skip past part 1 as its all bible conspiracy shít, but part 2 is all about the 9/11 conspiracies.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,461 ✭✭✭--Kaiser--


    mutley18 wrote: »
    Anyone on here who uses Netflix should watch Zeitgeist, skip past part 1 as its all bible conspiracy shít, but part 2 is all about the 9/11 conspiracies.

    Anyone shouldn't, in fact, watch that claptrap.
    Zetgesit comprehensively debunked


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,706 ✭✭✭sadie06


    I had the day off and was pottering around with Sky News on in the background. I watched the rolling footage of the first building burning, and like most people, I thought it was a dreadful accident.

    When the second plane hit, I really felt ill. I couldn't believe what I was seeing. I phoned work and told our small team to turn on the TV immediately. I had a hard time convincing them as they had a VIP in with them at the time. They turned it on and no more work was done that day.

    I really don't believe it was a conspiracy. Whilst you can't say America had it's guard down, it certainly was not prepared for that type of co-ordinated attack.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,273 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    mutley18 wrote: »
    Anyone on here who uses Netflix should watch Zeitgeist, skip past part 1 as its all bible conspiracy shít, but part 2 is all about the 9/11 conspiracies.

    Those Zeitgeist movies are absolute bollox.

    I would be one of those that wanted there to be a conspiracy. I would love to have seen Bush/Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz etc. humiliated and prosecuted.

    Publicly executed, for preference.

    But, seriously, there are so many reasons that it can't anything more than a gigantic failure of intelligence and perhaps a cover-up of said failure.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,674 ✭✭✭aaabbbb


    MonaPizza wrote: »
    So then you would probably never remember getting on a plane without having to take off your shoes and belt and also being allowed to bring a bottle of cola with you.

    Please I've been flying since I was a few months old , *you know jetsetting celtic tiger cub and all that ;) of course I do !

    The bringing bottles with you is only fairly recent and I've only ever had to take off my shoes once and that was just after 9/11 going through London.

    I do always remember having to remove any metal items from my person and put them on the tray to go through the scanner. So that part of your assumption is correct :)

    *My mother was just really lazy and just didn't fancy sitting in the car for hours to go see the in-laws :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 604 ✭✭✭yew_tree


    SantryRed wrote: »
    Brilliant,

    I'm sure you're one of these:

    WHY ARE PEOPLE ONLY BOTHERED ABOUT DEATHS IN AMERICA? 1000s OF PEOPLE DIE EVERY DAY IN *insert random country here*

    Does not take a genius to work that out. America and Ireland are very close in erms of culture, business and people. People will remember or know more about it than a flood in Japan or slaughter in Iraq no matter how awful these things are.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,031 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    yew_tree wrote: »
    Does not take a genius to work that out. America and Ireland are very close in erms of culture, business and people. People will remember or know more about it than a flood in Japan or slaughter in Iraq no matter how awful these things are.


    Culture? no
    Business? maybe
    People? hell no!!

    EVENFLOW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,858 ✭✭✭weisses


    --Kaiser-- wrote: »
    Anyone shouldn't, in fact, watch that claptrap.
    Zetgesit comprehensively debunked


    Your right no one should look at that claptrap in that link you posted


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭IvaBigWun


    yew_tree wrote: »
    Does not take a genius to work that out. America and Ireland are very close in erms of culture, business and people. People will remember or know more about it than a flood in Japan or slaughter in Iraq no matter how awful these things are.

    The fact it happened in one of the most iconic, visited and filmed cities in the world had a lot to do with the coverage that day and the months that followed. If it happened in Ottawa the media coverage would has disappeared after a week.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,390 ✭✭✭clairefontaine


    IvaBigWun wrote: »
    The fact it happened in one of the most iconic, visited and filmed cities in the world had a lot to do with the coverage that day. If it happened in Ottawa the media coverage would has disappeared after a week.

    It's because it happened to a superpower, the Pentagon, and a city most of us have a connection to, no matter how tenuous.


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