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Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013/14 Mod request post#5808

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Rodgers might be wary of changing the formation at the back seeing as we are probably the most solid there since he took over


  • Site Banned Posts: 26,456 ✭✭✭✭Nuri Sahin


    rarnes1 wrote: »
    Rodgers might be wary of changing the formation at the back seeing as we are probably the most solid there since he took over

    Ah yeah, don't get me wrong, I expect us to play with four at the back in the main. But there'll be certain type of games or moments in games where I think we could see three defenders in there. Think we've played 352 a few times over the years to great success, the game vs Chelsea under Kenny we did and played them off the park at Stamford Bridge. Think it was the one Zangief spinning piledrived them soon after Torres departure.


  • Site Banned Posts: 26,456 ✭✭✭✭Nuri Sahin


    Good piece on our new Frenchmen.
    Aly Cissokho and Mamadou Sakho - what to expect from the two Frenchmen

    In recent years Liverpool had not been very successful when signing French players. Damien Plessis, David Ngog and Charles Itandje never played a big part in the Reds’ first team. They were, to begin with, players that Liverpool should have never signed. But Liverpool had made a habit of targeting way lower than they should. This tendency seems to have disappeared since Brendan Rodgers‘ arrival. Despite some disappointing signings, most of them have been upgrades to the team.

    In his first year in charge of the team, Brendan Rodgers, with the help of the transfer committee, took care of improving the attack. Liverpool signed Fabio Borini, Philippe Coutinho and Daniel Sturridge, all players able to score or assist and to fit into Rodgers’ system, in order to put an end to the over-reliance on Luis Suarez. Liverpool were lacking goals under Kenny Dalglish. With 47 goals for, they ranked as the eleventh best attack of the league in the 2011-2012 season, even collecting less goals than Blackburn (a team that got relegated that season).

    The summer 2013 transfer window revealed a different objective: with Jamie Carragher retired and Martin Skrtel failing to replicate his best form, this window was about bulking up the defence, especially the centre backs. Kolo Touré was signed early in the window as a free transfer, at first leaving the fans unimpressed. Since then, Touré has quickly become a cult hero at Anfield.

    The big story then was to keep Luis Suarez on the Mersey. Once it was done, Liverpool could finally conclude some deals and work on some others, two of them being French.

    First, Aly Cissokho was signed from Valencia. The French left-back has had a strange career path. In 2008, aged 20, he left Gueugnon, a second-tier French club at the time, to join Vitoria Setubal in Portugal. He had not even played fifteen games for Setubal when Porto signed him for a lowly 300,000€ fee.

    Cissokho made himself known when he helped Porto come back from Old Trafford with a 2-2 draw in Champions League 2009 quarter-finals. Porto eventually lost on aggregate, but Cissokho had been outstanding in front of scouts from all over Europe. Four months later, AC Milan knocked with a 15M€ offer. Porto agreed to the deal and Cissokho was then supposed to join the Italian club. However, due to an obscure teeth problem which came up during the medical, Milan withdrew their offer and cancelled the deal. French club Lyon sniffed out the opportunity and signed Cissokho for the same fee.

    Following his breakthrough at Porto, he had a great 2009-2010 season. Lyon had an amazing Champions League campaign, reaching the semi-finals for the first time in their history featuring an astonishing offensive performance from Cissokho in the quarter-finals first leg against Girondins de Bordeaux. Lyon finished the season 2nd in the French league. Cissokho was then included in the 30-man preliminary list by Raymond Domenech for the 2010 World Cup, but ended up as one of the seven players to miss out on the final list.

    Cissokho has the misfortune of playing in a position overloaded with quality players in the French national team (even though they don’t always prove it) : Patrice Evra, Gaël Clichy, and his former teammate Jérémy Mathieu have been preferred to him by the successive Bleus coaches. And the recent rise of Lucas Digne, only 20 years-old and signed by PSG a few weeks ago, could keep Cissokho away from the national team for a longtime. Since the start of his career, Cissokho has only featured once with the “Tricolores”.

    Tactically speaking, Cissokho is an all-round left-back. He has great speed, is able to deliver good crosses and can restrain his opponent with great physical strength. He is very muscular for a left-back and can overwhelm his opponents as he did when he ran forty yards with the ball to give Liverpool a break against Aston Villa.

    His defensive weaknesses can be a concern though. After a first good season with Lyon, he had two disappointing campaigns, and was not even considered for the French national team anymore. He can lose focus and cause major problems to his team when he is on a bad run. He joined Valencia last year and seems to have regained the confidence that made him so valuable.

    According to Squawka stats, he didn’t make any defensive errors last season, while José Enrique made two, and already one this season. The Spaniard is better at creating chances though (26 last season, compared to the 15 Cissokho created), and replacing him with Cissokho would mean giving up some creativity on the left flank.

    On the whole, Aly Cissokho is potentially a nice asset, good enough so that Enrique has to improve to carry on as a starter. Still relatively young (turning 26 a week from now), having Cissokho on loan is an excellent idea to assess his true level and judge whether Liverpool should sign him permanently.

    This week, Cissokho has been joined by another Frenchman. Mamadou Sakho had been scouted by major European clubs since he first broke through at PSG. It is really a nice turn of events to see Liverpool sign him, despite the fact that he wasn’t seen as a key player anymore in the French capital. PSG signed Marquinhos from AS Roma over the summer, and with the other two centre-backs from Brazil currently at PSG, Thiago Silva and Alex, Sakho had became the fourth-choice centre back.

    Last week, Sakho was not called up in the French national team by Didier Deschamps, Deschamps explaining his choice by Sakho’s lack of first team football playing time lately. Sakho, who had already been thinking about leaving his club, was then set to seek first team football elsewhere. Liverpool and AC Milan were rumoured to be in the race. For once this summer, Liverpool won their duel.

    Winning duels is something Mamadou Sakho is very talented at. He won 69% of his duels last year. His powerful body-type (see the tweet below from LFC physio Chris Morgan) can scare his opponents and make them concede possession. He also reached an impressive (and needed in modern football) 92% in average pass accuracy. This pass accuracy fits perfectly Brendan Rodgers’ style : a possession game relying on players’ technicality. As a bonus, Sakho scored two goals – he can be a threat on set-pieces. Not bad for a season considered as ’not good enough’ by most of the media and the Parisian staff.

    As much as his skills, Sakho will bring character to Liverpool. He has captained every team he has ever played for since he was very young. The loss of his father when he was 13 forced him to mature early and quickly. He acts as a leader on the pitch, talking a lot to his partners. He played his first professional game when he was only 17 – Paul Le Guen, the PSG coach at the time, had fielded eleven youngsters as a gesture of dissatisfaction with the first team players.

    Sakho had his best season (2010-2011) when Antoine Kombouaré was in charge, notably scoring four league goals. He was the captain and was given responsibilities to build the play from the back or target Guillaume Hoarau, a towering striker, something he has been failing to replicate these last few months. It may be due to his lack of confidence following the loss of both the armband (given to Thiago Silva) and his place in the starting XI, but it will definitely be something to fix now that he has joined Liverpool.

    Average at going forward with the ball at his feet, at crossing or at dribbling, Mamadou Sakho shouldn’t be used as a left-back, nor as a defensive midfielder. Nonetheless, this is a great signing, and the first potential top class centre back Liverpool have signed since Daniel Agger in 2006. As well as his fellow countryman Aly Cissokho, he should be able to prove to be a spot on signing, given time.

    Raphaël Cosmidis

    http://www.thisisanfield.com/2013/09/aly-cissokho-mamadou-sakho-expect-two-frenchmen/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    Nuri Sahin wrote: »
    Tad surprised. Thought you'd rather have Cissokho at LWB considering his ability in attack in comparison to Enrique.


    Left him out because of his injury, and I had put Johnson in on the other side because I forgot about his injury. :D


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,859 ✭✭✭Courtesy Flush


    One of the exciting things about Sakho is that he is known for his strong personality and leadership quality. Definitely needed in our team imo


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,901 ✭✭✭Raif Severance


    Kess73 wrote: »
    Maybe they went for Sakho because he is a far better player than Lovern and Alderweireld, and that it was a gamble worth taking as a result.

    If Sakho at RCB was 75% as effective as he has been as a LCB then the likes of Lovern still would be an inferior player to him.

    Sakho is a very left sided player, or at least has been used on the left for most of his career (just like Agger), but he has shown far more adaptability than Agger ever has with regards to playing on the right side, and unlike Agger he has shown that he is comfortable shooting and passing with his right foot.

    I don't see any point at all in wondering why we did not go for the likes of Lovern once it became clear a player like Sakho was interested in joining. The gulf in quality between them is a large one.
    You do know we could have both, right?

    Just because we have bought Sakho, doesn't mean we couldn't buy Lovren or Toby. I mean, we've bought Ilori along with Sakho.

    I don't know about you, but I'd rather have:
    --LCB----RCB
    -Sakho--Toby/Toure

    Instead of this:
    --LCB----RCB
    -Agger--Sakho


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    You do know we could have both, right?

    Just because we have bought Sakho, doesn't mean we couldn't buy Lovren or Toby. I mean, we've bought Ilori along with Sakho.

    I don't know about you, but I'd rather have:
    --LCB----RCB
    -Sakho--Toby/Toure

    Instead of this:
    --LCB----RCB
    -Agger--Sakho


    Financially we could have had both, yes. But Rodgers seemed to have no interest at all in the likes of Lovern, and if rumours are true only a very late interest in Alderweireld. That suggests to me that what he wanted was a player to play in the RCB slot alongside Agger rather than replacing Agger.

    Ilori I see as being bought to replace Coates in the young and full of potential role. Toure replaces Carragher in the veteran third choice role.

    At the end of the day it matters not a jot who we could have bought, what matter between now and the next window is who we did buy.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 786 ✭✭✭fangee


    You do know we could have both, right?

    Just because we have bought Sakho, doesn't mean we couldn't buy Lovren or Toby. I mean, we've bought Ilori along with Sakho.

    I don't know about you, but I'd rather have:
    --LCB----RCB
    -Sakho--Toby/Toure

    Instead of this:
    --LCB----RCB
    -Agger--Sakho

    Maybe they have bought him for the RCB position. Maybe they know why they have bought him eh ?

    You're assuming its a problem before time tells us if it will be or not.


  • Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,734 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap


    Didn't we play a game last season (Fulham maybe) with 3 centre halves and Rodgers said its his preferred system, but never had the tools to implement it. I think it lasted til half time where he switched it around and we went on to win.

    If i remember correctly, Agger was given huge amount of freedom, when he burst forward, there was not a rush to get him back into position as the remaining defenders reverted to a solid back 4.

    This resulted in Agger being pretty much an extra attacking mid fielder at times and the opposition didn't really know how to deal with him. It looked good, but didnt pay off in that particular game.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭Bloc Party!


    Sturridge out for the England game according to sky sports


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,299 ✭✭✭djPSB


    I don't think Rodgers put as much thought into the whole LCB/RCB thing as yer making out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,325 ✭✭✭smileyj1987


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 598 ✭✭✭Whippersnapper


    Moses scores from the spot for Nigeria.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,901 ✭✭✭Raif Severance


    fangee wrote: »
    Maybe they have bought him for the RCB position. Maybe they know why they have bought him eh ?

    You're assuming its a problem before time tells us if it will be or not.

    All of us here, are Assuming.

    Most of you here reckon, that he's been brought here to partner up with Agger and go to the RCB Slot.

    While I think the Opposite, and that he's been brought here to replace Agger in the Starting LCB Slot.

    I guess, we'll have our Answer in the coming days.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Boom_Bap wrote: »
    Didn't we play a game last season (Fulham maybe) with 3 centre halves and Rodgers said its his preferred system, but never had the tools to implement it. I think it lasted til half time where he switched it around and we went on to win.

    If i remember correctly, Agger was given huge amount of freedom, when he burst forward, there was not a rush to get him back into position as the remaining defenders reverted to a solid back 4.

    This resulted in Agger being pretty much an extra attacking mid fielder at times and the opposition didn't really know how to deal with him. It looked good, but didnt pay off in that particular game.

    Liverpool played 4-2-3-1 at home (with Agger) and 3 at the back away but Agger was not in the line up (or squad) for that game.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 598 ✭✭✭Whippersnapper




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,201 ✭✭✭✭klose


    Boom_Bap wrote: »
    Didn't we play a game last season (Fulham maybe) with 3 centre halves and Rodgers said its his preferred system, but never had the tools to implement it. I think it lasted til half time where he switched it around and we went on to win.

    If i remember correctly, Agger was given huge amount of freedom, when he burst forward, there was not a rush to get him back into position as the remaining defenders reverted to a solid back 4.

    This resulted in Agger being pretty much an extra attacking mid fielder at times and the opposition didn't really know how to deal with him. It looked good, but didnt pay off in that particular game.

    It was a 352 with carra/coates and wisdom as the centre backs, johnson and downing were the wide players that day. Agger was injured then


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,998 ✭✭✭grohlisagod


    I think we're most likely to see 3-5-2 if anything happens to Lucas. It could be a way of compensating for the lack of a destructive midfielder.

    Toure - Agger - Sakho

    Allen Gerrard

    That looks a hell of a lot more solid than:

    Toure/Sakho - Sakho/Agger

    Allen
    Gerrard Henderson

    Sorry about the formatting.


  • Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,734 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap


    mike65 wrote: »
    Liverpool played 4-2-3-1 at home (with Agger) and 3 at the back away but Agger was not in the line up (or squad) for that game.
    klose wrote: »
    It was a 352 with carra/coates and wisdom as the centre backs, johnson and downing were the wide players that day. Agger was injured then

    Oh right, I must be mixing it up with another game where Agger had the freedom to get forward.....but I do recall after the 352 experiment that Rodgers said its his preferred system given the proper players to execute it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    All of us here, are Assuming.

    Most of you here reckon, that he's been brought here to partner up with Agger and go to the RCB Slot.

    While I think the Opposite, and that he's been brought here to replace Agger in the Starting LCB Slot.

    I guess, we'll have our Answer in the coming days.

    I think he was bought becasue the opportunity was there to get a starting CB in for the next 7 or so years


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,987 ✭✭✭Kerrigooney


    So.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,735 ✭✭✭Fowler87


    Bernard our Brazilian signing in January BR. Make it happen ;)


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    No chance of boards breaking down tonight..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭mrsoundie


    rarnes1 wrote: »
    No chance of boards breaking down tonight..

    You never k...............


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭mrsoundie


    Who ever left the light on in this thread is in trouble, you all know the rule last out turn off the lights.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 956 ✭✭✭jamaamaj


    Stevie G our best player ever (IMO) to be our future manager.?

    Liverpool captain Steven Gerrard admits he has ambitions to become a manager when his playing days end and that his dream job is to fill that role at Anfield.

    The 33-year-old midfielder signed a new Reds deal this summer but is already making plans for the long-term future.

    Gerrard told TwentyFour 7 Football magazine: "When you get to a certain age, my age, you need to start thinking seriously about a life after football.

    "The dream come true would be to manage Liverpool."
    Steven Gerrard
    "I am planning on doing my badges and qualifications over the next 12 months.

    "I definitely see myself as a manager rather than a coach, but that could change.

    "The dream come true would be to manage Liverpool. There are world-class managers there ready already but we'll have to wait and see, it would be the icing on the cake.

    "I remember speaking to Jamie Carragher and he really fancied it but he's decided media is what he wants to do.

    "It is strange seeing him on Sky but I'm really delighted he's doing it. He can leave managing Liverpool to me!"

    http://suso-lfc.blogspot.com.au/2013/09/gerrard-wants-to-manage-reds.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Fowler87 wrote: »
    Bernard our Brazilian signing in January BR. Make it happen ;)

    Shaktar would probably like to hold on to him for a little longer! Anyway its time we bagged Arda Turan.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 956 ✭✭✭jamaamaj


    Genius Football ‏@GeniusFootball 35m

    Reporter:"You could've played alongside Özil."

    Luis Suárez:"I am happy with my decision to play alongside Gerrard." :cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,735 ✭✭✭Fowler87


    mike65 wrote: »
    Shaktar would probably like to hold on to him for a little longer! Anyway its time we bagged Arda Turan.

    Never realised they signed him. Shame, class player


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,403 ✭✭✭✭Turtyturd


    jamaamaj wrote: »
    Genius Football ‏@GeniusFootball 35m

    Reporter:"You could've played alongside Özil."

    Luis Suárez:"I am happy with my decision to play alongside Gerrard." :cool:


    I don't think anyone will actually believe it was his decision....but it was a stupid statement anyway because if he had went they never would have gotten Ozil.


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